WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[Cracktoast]

Thank goodness Chance and Carter are gone what a worthless waste of tv time. Other wise nobody on the list is that shocking. Strowman and Kai just couldn't ever stay healthy and Baszler to be honest I thought was already gone we haven't seen her in so long.

I can Strowman and Baszler both ending up in AEW at some point. Kai seems more suited for TNA where they could still bring her in for NXT stuff given the relationship with WWE/TNA.

[SteigerWRX]

Apparently Cora Jade likely released as well.

[Jaypers]

Eddy Thorpe as well.

[SteigerWRX]

Gigi Dolin

[Jaypers]

Riley Osborne.

[Jaypers]

Jakara Jackson too.

[Jericho]

Originally Posted by SteigerWRX

Kai is a shocking one

Shayna is a big miss in my opinion. I remember they built her up so strongly. She literally won elimination chamber by single-handedly eliminating every single woman in the match. Then it seems like she got fed to Rousey and when Rousey left they just pushed Shayna to the side.

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Yeah they missed on Baszler after that Elimination Chamber match, but she got fed to Becky at Mania for no reason when Becky should have dropped the title.

Out of all these releases: Braun Strowman, Shayna Baszler, Dakota Kai, Katana Chance, Kayden Carter, Cora Jade, Riley Osborne, Eddy Thorpe. Gigi Dolin, Jakara Jackson, and Gallus (Joe Coffey, Mark Coffey, and Wolfgang) the only ones that could have had value IMO were Baszler and Kai. Kai's biggest issue was staying healthy.

[Jericho]

Nails on a chalkboard whenever Tiffany speaks

[Cracktoast]

Sadly Naomi hasn't been released

[Cracktoast]

Add Gallus to the released list

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by SteigerWRX

Apparently Cora Jade likely released as well.

Nothing against her personally, but no big loss imo; injuries, and her promos and character work were mehh at best

I wonder 2 things...if her "upgrades" were paid for or out of pocket , and if this would be a different outcome if she was still with Bron

Everyone else, I agree with the rest

Braun, was kinda weird seeing him just in a feud with Fatu and then being released

Kai, just recently said she wasn't injured...just off TV for "reasons"

Gallus, was good as a team and in the ring...but personality mehh

Chance/Carter never had a chance outside of tag

[whitmm]

That's like 10% of the women's division across the company. It was already too thin to support all of the belts. At this point, just eliminate the brands for them and let them all work all three shows as one group.

[Jaypers]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around this, but is there any chance R-Truth turns heel and helps Cena retain?

[thenightman]

Kinda shocked they got rid of Dakota Kai. Mildly shocked at Cora Jade being released, and really bummed Jakara Jackson was released. I liked seeing her on TV.

[BlowoutBuzz]

Only surprise to me so far is Cora Jade -- injuries have derailed things but I figured young age would keep her around. Now she can rebrand and rebuild -- if she wants to -- and come back better or emerge better elsewhere.

[Hess687]

So possibly a blow back question, but I'm going to ask it anyway.....I understand the Miz has won the tag team title and held it up until December, but he seems to be on the backside of his career.

I watched clips of his match with Aleister Black, which I thought was great. He does a wonderful job selling and I believe is a great wrestler overall.

Is there a reason why some of these old heads don't take these kind of "backside of career" matches more often? And what I mean, is not just putting a new guy over (I know Black isn't new), but more like a, "Hey, there's no real storyline for me and/or I'm not competing for any significant title, but why not let me stick around and wrestle these young guys and help propel their career."

The crowd would love to see these vets still in action, while also getting to see the "new guys" have a good match against a HoF name. It's essentially a "Yeah, I'm done, but I still have enough in me to give you a good show/performance and I still have somewhat of a fan base."

They still collect a paycheck and the crowd wins and the up and comer gets a real test against a vet. Is it an ego thing? And I'm not talking about a one or two and done like most old timers have done, I'm talking making a career out of it at the end of your career.

[Cracktoast]

^^^^^ because most of them can't give it up and you get guys like Flair who it will not surprise me one bit if he dies in the middle of the Ring and a match when he's 84.

[Hess687]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

^^^^^ because most of them can't give it up and you get guys like Flair who it will not surprise me one bit if he dies in the middle of the Ring and a match when he's 84.

So it's an ego thing then....I get it. It just seems like the more business savvy move is what I just explained. All these guys think they still got it even in their old(er) age and can't get out of their own way.

I just think it would be neat to see a "Hey, you're a HoFer, we don't have anything moving forward for you, but the crowd loves you, if you'd still like to wrestle for a paycheck, here's what we can do...." type deal. The crowd would still love it, win or lose.

[ThatGuyPal]

Tatum Paxley must of been sweating, both her tag partner and husband both released. Rough, will see if they last no longer being on the road together.

I’ve already said it doesn’t help TNA but I almost feel this partnership also hurts/hurt talent. Of course some will go to AEW but people like Gigi Dolin who date one of the rascalz will likely end up in TNA. By WWE’s logic they probably figure they can use her if really needed without the burden of a contract. Ziggler hasn’t come back but I’d assume that’s his choosing, wouldn’t be shocked if Indi Hartwell
Who signed with them popped up in NXT

[ThatGuyPal]

NGL I’d love to see Strowman re-do his it’s on sight feud with Roman in AEW with a guy like Will Hobbs or Lance Archer or even Brian Cage

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Tatum Paxley must of been sweating, both her tag partner and husband both released. Rough, will see if they last no longer being on the road together.

I’ve already said it doesn’t help TNA but I almost feel this partnership also hurts/hurt talent. Of course some will go to AEW but people like Gigi Dolin who date one of the rascalz will likely end up in TNA. By WWE’s logic they probably figure they can use her if really needed without the burden of a contract. Ziggler hasn’t come back but I’d assume that’s his choosing, wouldn’t be shocked if Indi Hartwell
Who signed with them popped up in NXT

I, honestly, don't think that's their logic in this at all. I think they're looking at the landscape of things and just don't have any use for them. They've tried with all of them and they didn't really connect with the crowd, or they were too injured all the time to do anything meaningful with them. I have no doubt that if they go on the indys, or TNA/AEW, and re-invent themselves, WWE will be interested in bringing them back.

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

NGL I’d love to see Strowman re-do his it’s on sight feud with Roman in AEW with a guy like Will Hobbs or Lance Archer or even Brian Cage

AEW would seem like a really good place for Strowman. Sign for $1m+, then shoot down all creative, start a podcast, and wait for WWE to call him.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Hess687

So possibly a blow back question, but I'm going to ask it anyway.....I understand the Miz has won the tag team title and held it up until December, but he seems to be on the backside of his career.

I watched clips of his match with Aleister Black, which I thought was great. He does a wonderful job selling and I believe is a great wrestler overall.

Is there a reason why some of these old heads don't take these kind of "backside of career" matches more often? And what I mean, is not just putting a new guy over (I know Black isn't new), but more like a, "Hey, there's no real storyline for me and/or I'm not competing for any significant title, but why not let me stick around and wrestle these young guys and help propel their career."

The crowd would love to see these vets still in action, while also getting to see the "new guys" have a good match against a HoF name. It's essentially a "Yeah, I'm done, but I still have enough in me to give you a good show/performance and I still have somewhat of a fan base."

They still collect a paycheck and the crowd wins and the up and comer gets a real test against a vet. Is it an ego thing? And I'm not talking about a one or two and done like most old timers have done, I'm talking making a career out of it at the end of your career.

Most of these old vets were top guys at one time and their ego's can't allow them to become guys who put over other talent. Miz is a rare guy as he's built his whole career on being very good on the mic but also a decent and safe wrestler that will make other's look strong and not worried that he has to take the loss. Many of these guys refuse the paycheck over what they think is being made to look bad. You are not going to find many guys who get to have 20 year careers and pretty much say what they want to happen. If I was any young wrestler my goal is to be the Miz. The odds of being a top 5 guy in the company is going to be slim. But if I can be the guy who is willing to do whatever is asked of me without complaint and do it well there is going to be little reason the company will want to get rid of me so I am always earning a paycheck.

[JustinVerlander07]

Someone who watches NXT explain to me releasing Cora Jade. I thought she was suppose to be the next big female star?

[packman80]

Originally Posted by BlowoutBuzz

Only surprise to me so far is Cora Jade -- injuries have derailed things but I figured young age would keep her around. Now she can rebrand and rebuild -- if she wants to -- and come back better or emerge better elsewhere.

That's the thing that killed her. Injuries. She was hurt all the time other young talent passed her by. She was probably making over 6 figures a year and the WWE saw no reason to keep paying that for a person they can't count on to stay healthy and has gotten passed by other talent.

The rest of the men and women released no one is going to miss them. Might a few of them end up in AEW or TNA? Probably but unless they get super rare and be like Drew and find a way to go and revive there career that WWE can't say no to bringing them back they end up just being another name in a small company.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Someone who watches NXT explain to me releasing Cora Jade. I thought she was suppose to be the next big female star?

injuries derailed her career. Out so much that other young talent ended getting the pushes she would have got.