WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by BlowoutBuzz

More experience will help her, too.

Yeah, injuries, and cosmetic surgery, really hurt her character, IMO. She would do well to re-establish herself on the indys. Do some interesting stuff. If she comes out as the same version of herself in NXT she'd be doing herself a disservice. She'd be smart to call up Matt Cardona and get some advice.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by BlowoutBuzz

And a non-renewal = she can pop up on TV wherever beginning the day it's over. No 30-day or 90-day non-compete.

Her contract is probably up in 90 days.

[Cracktoast]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Yeah, injuries, and cosmetic surgery, really hurt her character, IMO. She would do well to re-establish herself on the indys. Do some interesting stuff. If she comes out as the same version of herself in NXT she'd be doing herself a disservice. She'd be smart to call up Matt Cardona and get some advice.

then why the frick is Charlotte Flair still boring us to death ? she is the Queen of I juries and boob jobs. She needs butt implants not boobs.

Speaking of did she legit get hurt at WM or is she on one of these Undertaker deals where she shows up maybe 2 times a year now? Nobody has seen or heard from her and almost a month now.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

then why the frick is Charlotte Flair still boring us to death ? she is the Queen of I juries and boob jobs. She needs ass implants not boobs.

Speaking of did she legit get hurt at WM or is she on one of these Undertaker deals where she shows up maybe 2 times a year now? Nobody has seen or heard from her and almost a month now.

#1 Nepotism
#2 VKM wanted a dominant female that "looked" the part (i.e. tall, can move, daughter of, arguably, the greatest wrestler of all-time)
#3 At one time she actually put on decent matches

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

then why the frick is Charlotte Flair still boring us to death ? she is the Queen of I juries and boob jobs. She needs butt implants not boobs.

Speaking of did she legit get hurt at WM or is she on one of these Undertaker deals where she shows up maybe 2 times a year now? Nobody has seen or heard from her and almost a month now.

She's like Roman. Big enough name in her contract that she can be a part-timer. IMO she never loved the wrestling business. She just saw it as a way she could use her fathers name to push herself and get rich doing it. Flair when she started out could put on some very good matches and cut some good promos. But once she got to the top she decided she could mail it in and have her personal life become a train wreck with several failed marriages and what seems a addiction to plastic surgery. WWE feels that she can still sell tickets based on her past but does any fan really care about her anymore?

[ThatGuyPal]

While Cora is young, Thea Hail is also way younger so it’s possible they chose her and released Cora given they have been beefing over some jobber lately. People can doubt but they also doubted when I said Samantha will either leave WWE or break up with Ricochet when he left. I think it’s underestimated how much WWE is still like high-school backstage, the ones that get someone outside the biz like Shotzi get released anyway prob cause the boys can’t be boys

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

While Cora is young, Thea Hail is also way younger so it’s possible they chose her and released Cora given they have been beefing over some jobber lately. People can doubt but they also doubted when I said Samantha will either leave WWE or break up with Ricochet when he left. I think it’s underestimated how much WWE is still like high-school backstage, the ones that get someone outside the biz like Shotzi get released anyway prob cause the boys can’t be boys

Could be work ethic, could be that they want to use one over the other, could be a lot of reasons. There are a lot of young women who didn't get released.

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by packman80

She's like Roman. Big enough name in her contract that she can be a part-timer. IMO she never loved the wrestling business. She just saw it as a way she could use her fathers name to push herself and get rich doing it. Flair when she started out could put on some very good matches and cut some good promos. But once she got to the top she decided she could mail it in and have her personal life become a train wreck with several failed marriages and what seems a addiction to plastic surgery. WWE feels that she can still sell tickets based on her past but does any fan really care about her anymore?

Sure Roman has a big enough name but his health gives him a legit reason for a reduced schedule.


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[Dacubs2]

Originally Posted by packman80

Most of these old vets were top guys at one time and their ego's can't allow them to become guys who put over other talent. Miz is a rare guy as he's built his whole career on being very good on the mic but also a decent and safe wrestler that will make other's look strong and not worried that he has to take the loss. Many of these guys refuse the paycheck over what they think is being made to look bad. You are not going to find many guys who get to have 20 year careers and pretty much say what they want to happen. If I was any young wrestler my goal is to be the Miz. The odds of being a top 5 guy in the company is going to be slim. But if I can be the guy who is willing to do whatever is asked of me without complaint and do it well there is going to be little reason the company will want to get rid of me so I am always earning a paycheck.

I will say that I hated the Miz when he first started, (much like I hate Logan Paul now) but as time went on, I grew to appreciate the Miz and all he does

[packman80]

So was thinking is there anyone on the current NXT or main roster if they turned either heel or face it would be shocking as you never expected that to happen? Only guy I could see being that right now is Jey Uso. How over he is right now and how much merch he sells I could not see the WWE killing that golden goose right now.

Cody seems like the guy most likely to heel turn. With his current long run as a top face and getting boo'd by fans at WM I could very well see that they turn him heel. Maybe not right away but perhaps by the end of the year when Cena leaves they could use a main event heel on Smackdown.

[Cracktoast]

I've been thinking about Cody turning heel and while the % is probably in the low single digits I think having him show up at Backlash as if he's going to help Orton only to turn on him would be a huge shock. Master vs. Student type feud. Have Cody say after WM he did some soul searching and realized Cena was right all along and that he was too soft and let people dictate what/who he was supposed to be with gimmicks like Stardust and Dashing Cody Rhodes and now the whole world is going to understand why he's " The Nightmare " and not " The Dream ".

[JustinVerlander07]

WWE has no reason to turn Cody. He sells the most merch in the company and he's insanely over as white meat baby face (which is insanely impressive in 2025)

[Cracktoast]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

WWE has no reason to turn Cody. He sells the most merch in the company and he's insanely over as white meat baby face (which is insanely impressive in 2025)

That's what people said about Cena before Elimination Chamber.


Name a top Babyface wrestler who never turned heel at some point. Sting was a heel when he broke in w/Warrior as The Blade runners, Dusty turned heel and joined the NWO. it's an inevitable guarantee if there ever was one.

[packman80]

Cody turning heel could allow Cena to turn back face. Have it were Cody wins the title back from Cena with the Rock screwing Cena to let Cody win. Cody then says he was wrong and the Rock was right about everything. Rock tells Cena it was nothing personal and it's just business because Cody is the future and that Cena you have have none.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

That's what people said about Cena before Elimination Chamber.


Name a top Babyface wrestler who never turned heel at some point. Sting was a heel when he broke in w/Warrior as The Blade runners, Dusty turned heel and joined the NWO. it's an inevitable guarantee if there ever was one.

Sure, he'll turn heel eventually, I would be stunned if it's anytime in 2025. There is money in him chasing the title again. Also WWE lacks big time babyfaces at the moment, feels just too unlikely.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by packman80

Cody turning heel could allow Cena to turn back face. Have it were Cody wins the title back from Cena with the Rock screwing Cena to let Cody win. Cody then says he was wrong and the Rock was right about everything. Rock tells Cena it was nothing personal and it's just business because Cody is the future and that Cena you have have none.

Keep The Rock out of it. Him showing up to help boost ticket sales for EC was the worst thing for the Cena storyline. Him no showing at WM, as he claimed to not take the spotlight from Cena, pointed it right on himself. He's made it clear there's no plan to do anything with the Cody's soul storyline. He's made it clear he has no intention of getting in the ring with Cody to finish that story. And I doubt we are ever going to find out what he gave Cody after he won the title.

[mtr]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Keep The Rock out of it. Him showing up to help boost ticket sales for EC was the worst thing for the Cena storyline. Him no showing at WM, as he claimed to not take the spotlight from Cena, pointed it right on himself. He's made it clear there's no plan to do anything with the Cody's soul storyline. He's made it clear he has no intention of getting in the ring with Cody to finish that story. And I doubt we are ever going to find out what he gave Cody after he won the title.

The Rock showing up and then disappearing again has kinda ruined this Cena heel run for me. With how things have worked out I think it would have been better for him to turn on Cody at Mania.

[BlowoutBuzz]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Her contract is probably up in 90 days.

Expiring deals don't have non-competes. But if she still has time on it and they shelf her, yes, same difference.

They'd be smart to not hand somebody another Ricochet scenario.

[BlowoutBuzz]

Originally Posted by thenightman

#1 Nepotism
#2 VKM wanted a dominant female that "looked" the part (i.e. tall, can move, daughter of, arguably, the greatest wrestler of all-time)
#3 At one time she actually put on decent matches

Think of them as names WWE has stock in for storylines and value. Flair is their history/all-timer person, particularly in the Triple H/NXT era on, for their stories whether she's liked or not.

Ultimately, a lot of the key homegrown 2014-20ish NXTers are still around with the exception of Banks ... and I think she will be back before it's all done for some kind of Four Horsewomen wrap-up before people start retiring.

[BlowoutBuzz]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

I've been thinking about Cody turning heel and while the % is probably in the low single digits ...

He's turning. They have telegraphed it. N.J. Turnpike ... with arrow.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by mtr

The Rock showing up and then disappearing again has kinda ruined this Cena heel run for me. With how things have worked out I think it would have been better for him to turn on Cody at Mania.

He showed up for a dumb reason, with no actual plan, and even less plan of how to proceed with the story moving forward.

The company doesn't need him on screen at all or involved in any storyline.

[whitmm]

What was the point of the company bringing Omos back? It's been 4 months and they've done nothing with him. Panic signing because he was having success with another company?

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by BlowoutBuzz

Expiring deals don't have non-competes. But if she still has time on it and they shelf her, yes, same difference.

They'd be smart to not hand somebody another Ricochet scenario.

As I suspected, she confirmed that her deal ends at the end of July, so it’s basically a 90-day non compete.

[JustinVerlander07]

"Jey Uso is a bad promo" folks with a bad night

[JustinVerlander07]

Big Becky fan, but this isn't working. Not invested in her and Lyra at all. I don't think heel Becky works at this point, and Lyra is boring.