2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 1958

JustRachel · 10-10-2020, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

because if those disgusted with Trump vote third party we get Trump for four more years.

This, pretty much.

I'm not afraid of liberals. While I disagree with much of their agenda, I don't think they'll run our country into the ground.

Trump could do some long-term damage to the fundamentals of our government. He scares me more. (Note to conservatives: I said "could", not "would.")

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JustRachel · 10-10-2020, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

You are saying no big deal, the funds were released.

There's a reason they were released and it wasn't because Trump was going to release them anyway whether Zelensky complied with his request or not. They were released because the extortion was about to become more widely known.

This wasn't a he said, she said. There were a number of career officials who testified to the veracity of the details and the timeline.

Yeah. I'm going back to the agree to disagree stance.

Funds are held up routinely for many reasons, many of which have nothing to do with the President. Your speculation about why they were released when they were is unproven. Moreover, I see that as largely irrelevant anyway.

Trump is a douche. Im with you there, 100%. But impeachment served no nonpolitical purpose. It was gamesmanship.

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discostu · 10-10-2020, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

There is no evidence that he was still being actively extorted. The funds had been released.

The senate had heard the facts of the case prior to the impeachment trial. We all had.

Impeachment was 100% a waste of time. The looming presence of an inhospitable jury must always stop any indictment.

Trump's crimes are non-existent. We are innocent until proven otherwise in this country. The accusations are forever on the record. But...so what? They already were.

Apparently we may be best served by agreeing to disagree. I'm in if you are.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...raine-n1082256

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

I fail to see what point this is making.

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The fact that the money was released after a whistleblower spoke, after Bolton and other career intelligence officials were uncomfortable and after an investigation started into why ot was being held is troubling.

There's fact and there's opinion.

But this is where we are today...we have two different realities.

Athey49 · 10-10-2020, 07:26 PM

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This lady intentionally got arrested the other night in Minneapolis, was even nice to the officers. Someone took the photo for her just for publicity. Don't understand some people..

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She can say look at the nazi cops I did nothing wrong they arrested me for no reason I was just there doing nothing wrong.

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Power in victimhood.

Pretty embarrassing, I just don't see someone's end game with something like this

JustRachel · 10-10-2020, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

The fact that the money was released after a whistleblower spoke, after Bolton and other career intelligence officials were uncomfortable and after an investigation started into why ot was being held is troubling.

There's fact and there's opinion.

But this is where we are today...we have two different realities.

Yes. There's fact and there's opinion.

One fact is that Zelensky testified after the money had been released. His testimony included stating he did not feel pressured.

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wood minis · 10-10-2020, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

Yes. There's fact and there's opinion.

One fact is that Zelensky testified after the money had been released. His testimony included stating he did not feel pressured.

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Testified to who?

babyfaceposey · 10-10-2020, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

This, pretty much.

I'm not afraid of liberals. While I disagree with much of their agenda, I don't think they'll run our country into the ground.

Trump could do some long-term damage to the fundamentals of our government. He scares me more. (Note to conservatives: I said "could", not "would.")

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I don't believe you are a conservative. You can play all you want, but by not voting Trump you are for socialism. Your choice on who you vote.

babyfaceposey · 10-10-2020, 08:01 PM

JDANDNS hides when asked to prove facts. Hiden like Biden.

wood minis · 10-10-2020, 08:03 PM

Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

You seriously believe this is what democrats are advocating?

rcmb3220 · 10-10-2020, 08:04 PM

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I don't believe you are a conservative. You can play all you want, but by not voting Trump you are for socialism. Your choice on who you vote.

Voting for Trump is a vote for socialism. Maybe not as much, but close enough.

babyfaceposey · 10-10-2020, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

You seriously believe this is what democrats are advocating?

Voters or politicians?

babyfaceposey · 10-10-2020, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Voting for Trump is a vote for socialism. Maybe not as much, but close enough.

Please explain why you think this?

BGT Masters · 10-10-2020, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm curious to everyone's level of fear concerning Covid.
On a scale from 1 to 10 I'd place mine about a 2 or 3.
It'd be a 1 if I was only thinking of myself, but considering family members it goes up a notch or two.
Frankly, it just doesn't scare me at all.

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I'm at a 1, and have pretty much been at a 1-2 the entire time. I am far more worried about the overreaction, fear, new changes and their lasting effects far more than I am of the Corona Virus.

If you're in good health you have nothing to worry about, I never understood how so much fear came from it. This year has definitely opened my eyes to just how gullible and easily controlled people can be.

Its like a large number of people being terrified of water (covid) because a bunch of people drowned who didn't know how to swim (poor health). Instead of doing the common sense thing and learning how to swim (improve life style) , you sit afraid in your home trying to figure out how to get rid of water/avoid it, instead of solving the real issue (our terrible diets/life styles).

babyfaceposey · 10-10-2020, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BGT Masters

I'm at a 1, and have pretty much been at a 1-2 the entire time. I am far more worried about the overreaction, fear, new changes and their lasting effects far more than I am of the Corona Virus.

If you're in good health you have nothing to worry about, I never understood how so much fear came from it. This year has definitely opened my eyes to just how gullible and easily controlled people can be.

Its like a large number of people being terrified of water (covid) because a bunch of people drowned who didn't know how to swim (poor health). Instead of doing the common sense thing and learning how to swim (improve life style) , you sit afraid in your home trying to figure out how to get rid of water/avoid it, instead of solving the real issue (our terrible diets/life styles).

I agree 100%.

rcmb3220 · 10-10-2020, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Please explain why you think this?

Out of control government spending. Just like Obama and Bush 43.

Chris Lyle · 10-10-2020, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

This, pretty much.

I'm not afraid of liberals. While I disagree with much of their agenda, I don't think they'll run our country into the ground.

Trump could do some long-term damage to the fundamentals of our government. He scares me more. (Note to conservatives: I said "could", not "would.")

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So threatening to pack the court, giving more and more handouts, The Green New Deal and on and on is not going to run rhe country into the ground and change who we are?

Chris Lyle · 10-10-2020, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Voting for Trump is a vote for socialism. Maybe not as much, but close enough.

Saw your response

babyfaceposey · 10-10-2020, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Out of control government spending. Just like Obama and Bush 43.

Trump has spent more then I would like, but Democrats are all in on green new deal which would double our debt on a single bill. So yeahhhh I disagree with you. Democrats are for socialism not Trump.

Chris Lyle · 10-10-2020, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Out of control government spending. Just like Obama and Bush 43.

But yet Dems have continually wanted to spend more and more and will but yet a vote for Trump is socialism??

babyfaceposey · 10-10-2020, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So threatening to pack the court, giving more and more handouts, The Green New Deal and on and on is not going to run rhe country into the ground and change who we are?

Bro she is a Democrat. Read what she writes. Don't believe the I am a Republican who wont vote for Trump. It is a lie.

oldgoldy97 · 10-10-2020, 08:51 PM

I will give Trump credit for getting us out of foreign conflicts. Now we just need to cut military spending in half and get the debt under control.

JustRachel · 10-10-2020, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Bro she is a Democrat. Read what she writes. Don't believe the I am a Republican who wont vote for Trump. It is a lie.

Lol.

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oldgoldy97 · 10-10-2020, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So threatening to pack the court, giving more and more handouts, The Green New Deal and on and on is not going to run rhe country into the ground and change who we are?

What percent of your taxes go to what you consider handouts?

JustRachel · 10-10-2020, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So threatening to pack the court, giving more and more handouts, The Green New Deal and on and on is not going to run rhe country into the ground and change who we are?

Packing the court is bad. Real bad. I posted my disapproval of this earlier, stating it matters a lot to me and could in fact decide my vote.

Handouts suck too, but they're happening every day. I've survived democrats from Carter all the way to Obama giving handouts. No biggie.

The Green New Deal isn't something I'm particularly well versed on. I can't speak intelligently about it.

Overall, I doubt the world will end either way. The biggest threat in my mind is a packed court.

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Chris Lyle · 10-10-2020, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

Packing the court is bad. Real bad. I posted my disapproval of this earlier, stating it matters a lot to me and could in fact decide my vote.

Handouts suck too, but they're happening every day. I've survived democrats from Carter all the way to Obama giving handouts. No biggie.

The Green New Deal isn't something I'm particularly well versed on. I can't speak intelligently about it.

Overall, I doubt the world will end either way. The biggest threat in my mind is a packed court.

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Well the Green New Deal is a big deal.

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wood minis Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 4,093	Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism. You seriously believe this is what democrats are advocating? __________________ Allen & Ginter wood mini collector

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oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 51,334	I will give Trump credit for getting us out of foreign conflicts. Now we just need to cut military spending in half and get the debt under control. __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

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babyfaceposey Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Pensacola, Florida Posts: 8,316 Babyfaceposey	JDANDNS hides when asked to prove facts. Hiden like Biden.