Does our fellow member deserve a negative - Page 2

tristan20 · 05-07-2016, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the27guy

maybe I'm different than most of you, but I'd never leave a neg unless payment was delivered.

Exactly, got to have thicker skin when trading and selling or you will be eaten in the real world.

rookiehunter11 · 05-07-2016, 06:56 PM

So basically what I'm taking from this is I can make offers and just not pay. Got it.

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No1CavsFan · 05-07-2016, 07:05 PM

I think our fellow member deserves a Kyle Singler RC auto.

hairyangryfella · 05-07-2016, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rookiehunter11

So basically what I'm taking from this is I can make offers and just not pay. Got it.

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That's a real douchey way of looking at it. Not everyone spends 24/7 on here. Has he logged on since your acceptance?
If so, give him a deadline to confirm, then if no response maybe look at some form of feedback.

mcgahee21nfl · 05-07-2016, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rookiehunter11

So basically what I'm taking from this is I can make offers and just not pay. Got it.

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Why not? What if when the person accepts your offer you no longer want the card? No deal until payment is finalized. Unless this is being heavily abused its a non issue.

moose84 · 05-07-2016, 07:11 PM

Send him a PM giving him a deadline, if he comes on and doesnt pay by the deadline then find another suitor. Not the end of the world.

thor_rider08 · 05-07-2016, 07:36 PM

I only consider giving bst feedback when items or monies have exchanged hands.
If you are going to neg this guy (your prerogative) then you are going to be giving negative feedback to many more people in the future.

JMys55 · 05-07-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by glen87

if no deal is made AFTER PP information sent, why do you think it is ok to not leave any FB???
this will not alert other members about this buyer who does not follow through after making offers.

incorrect - 2 days to open a case

so if you are selling something, someone commits to buy, you give them you payment info, and they do not pay, you will NOT leave them negative FB???

Ah I see it reads, for eBay 2 days to open case and then the buyer has 4 days to pay, making it actually 6 total days before the deal is off with a strike.

I am like ThatGuy27 that I don't leave negative if the money doesn't transfer between parties. No one suffered any losses and IMO no deal is really binding until there is money transfer.

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rookiehunter11 · 05-07-2016, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by moose84

Send him a PM giving him a deadline, if he comes on and doesnt pay by the deadline then find another suitor. Not the end of the world.

I sent him one asking if he would like to cancel, but no response.

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Hoopdreams69 · 05-07-2016, 08:24 PM

i think the OP is over reacting and is upset about not selling his card

Boohoo make a whole thread to cry about it

theacox · 05-07-2016, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopdreams69

i think the OP is over reacting and is upset about not selling his card

Boohoo make a whole thread to cry about it

Yes. OP, have a tiny amount of patience. Did you note that you needed immediate payment in your sale thread? I don't see it. Calm down.

pingbling23 · 05-07-2016, 10:37 PM

It's kinda funny the difference in this thread and what a similar thread in the member feedback section would look like. If you give an offer and its accepted, it's a done deal imo. I guess some are ok with playing games on here.

duron · 05-08-2016, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rookiehunter11

I sent him one asking if he would like to cancel, but no response.

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But has he logged on since your last exchange?

eastbayak · 05-08-2016, 03:00 AM

Patience is a virtue

Rip67vdub · 05-08-2016, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by eastbayak

Patience is a virtue

This ^^^^^^. Going forward, call it out in your sales thread that payment is due within <fill in the timeframe> after deal has been agreed upon. People do have lives you know outside the hobby.

Mires · 05-08-2016, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by the27guy

Exactly. If I'm either party, I don't leave feedback unless payment is delivered. Again, I realize I'm probably in the minority here.

I wouldn't think this line of thinking is even debatable, but I guess I'm wrong. lol

seabass97166 · 05-08-2016, 09:40 AM

Seems very petty to leave a negative. Just sell the card to somebody else and move on

glen87 · 05-08-2016, 09:57 AM

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/m...-negative.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by houdini

Feedback is very important to the life of a large B/S/T forum. Forums generally start pretty small where nearly every member knows each other. As communities grow, a method for tracking trading experiences is needed.

No feedback is really just a cop out. Sometimes, though, when a trade goes well but you just cannot recommend a trader due to intangibles (attitude, personality conflict, etc), then you may choose to withhold that positive feedback. I do not approve of this option usually, but it is your right to do so.

When is a deal finalized?

There are differing opinions here. I will post my thoughts and then add another view below.

A deal is only finalized when both parties agree and payment details are set.

If you are negotiating and the other party decides to deal with someone else, suck it up. You had no deal.

If I send you an offer, it is still not a deal once you respond. The reason is I may have sent multiple offers to multiple people. By the time you finally respond, I may have already sold the item. It happens.

I post a sale thread and you post "I will take it." That is still not a deal until I respond. Someone else may have sent a PM first.

I send you an offer, you reply with an acceptance, I reply with my paypal information... now we have a deal.

HINT: Always include when you are going to pay and when/how you are going to ship. If something changes, communicate! Most deals go bad due to poor communication.

A differing view:

Once a buyer says "I will take it, send me your paypal info" then there is a deal in place. If the buyer never pays, they have failed to live up to their part of the deal.

either way a deal was made. proper FB is warranted to let others know this person did not pay.

Stifle · 05-08-2016, 10:09 AM

Isn't it Mother's Day weekend ? I don't go online everyday and even if I were to buy or sell I attempt to prioritize my life with what is vital. As much as I enjoy this hobby and communicating with others who have the same passion, it's something I would wait till Monday to deal with. Who knows if his internet service is working? Canada has a fire sweeping out a MAJOR chunk of people's homes and livelyhoods. By leaving a feedback at this time is like hitting that send button that "Grimes" wife sent some months ago. Is it worth the confrontation. I leave a phone number and if anyone has any issues call or text. It does work.
Doug
269-599-8900

theacox · 05-08-2016, 11:27 AM

I agree that there is a deal in place. My issue was the amount of time (or lack) that the OP waited before making this thread.

IronMonkey415 · 05-08-2016, 11:49 AM

Now 41%................ because I just posted.

SELF PUTDOWN!!!!!

duron · 05-08-2016, 11:53 AM

So basically OP still hasn't given key info - whether or not the potential buyer has even logged on since he accepted his offer - even though he was asked multiple times. Does have the time to call people dumb, though. In op's words, "got it."

Half the fun of blowout is right here in this thread, and it's got nothing to do with cards.

mcgahee21nfl · 05-08-2016, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glen87

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/m...-negative.html

either way a deal was made. proper FB is warranted to let others know this person did not pay.

I know this is going to be hard for you to understand but this (what you quoted) is not what happened:
"Once a buyer says "I will take it, send me your paypal info" then there is a deal in place. If the buyer never pays, they have failed to live up to their part of the deal."

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The above scenario, is one where the SELLER names a price, the BUYER accepts and asks for the information to pay.

In THIS scenario, the buyer MADE an offer, and the SELLER accepted and sent his information.

In the first scenario, the one outlined in the post you referenced as if it were the case here, this is NO EXCUSE for the buyer to not pay. They have AGREED to the price at that point, and would simply be waiting on the sellers information to pay. The deal is so to speak finalized by the buyer when they "accept". The inverse to this would be if the buyer makes and offer and the seller accepts, and sends PayPal info, the SELLER has no excuse to back out of the deal as they've accepted. The buyer however may have moved on by that point.

All of what I've written above is explained and outlined in that same post in wording that you didn't highlight in red:
"If I send you an offer, it is still not a deal once you respond. The reason is I may have sent multiple offers to multiple people. By the time you finally respond, I may have already sold the item. It happens."

^ Seller makes offer to buyer, buyer responds that he will take it... It is not finalized. You need to have the OFFER + ACCEPTANCE (on either side) + ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

"I send you an offer, you reply with an acceptance, I reply with my paypal information... now we have a deal."

This is very very very simple.

mcgahee21nfl · 05-08-2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by duron

So basically OP still hasn't given key info - whether or not the potential buyer has even logged on since he accepted his offer - even though he was asked multiple times. Does have the time to call people dumb, though. In op's words, "got it."

Half the fun of blowout is right here in this thread, and it's got nothing to do with cards.

It doesn't even matter though. glen87 just showed the outline for what constitutes a deal being made here, and it is clear there is no deal in place. Neg would be unwarranted.

I find it ironic that the OP has 4 positives on here but has left no feedbacks.

Sigh.

shrevecity · 05-08-2016, 12:01 PM

It seems to me a deal was in place, (op accepted his lower offer and sent payment info), unless there was a caveat we have not been informed of, but the time frame is way to early it had only been 12 hours since and it is a weekend. So a neg would be justified if he never pays, but I say at least wait until Monday then send a reminder then if nothing by Wednesday do what you want.

Even showing to be logged in is not always an indicator the person is online.

05-07-2016, 07:05 PM	#28
No1CavsFan Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Australia/Delaware Posts: 2,214 No1CavsFan	I think our fellow member deserves a Kyle Singler RC auto. __________________ Supercollecting Jeffery Simmons

05-07-2016, 07:11 PM	#31
moose84 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: East Coast Posts: 1,931	Send him a PM giving him a deadline, if he comes on and doesnt pay by the deadline then find another suitor. Not the end of the world. __________________ New York all around! Its a forum, dont take it personally. We're all allowed to have opinions and not everyone is going to agree with it.

05-07-2016, 07:36 PM	#32
thor_rider08 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alaska Posts: 4,243	I only consider giving bst feedback when items or monies have exchanged hands. If you are going to neg this guy (your prerogative) then you are going to be giving negative feedback to many more people in the future. __________________ The righteous pay a sacrifice to get what they deserve.

05-08-2016, 10:09 AM	#44
Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,676 Stifle	Isn't it Mother's Day weekend ? I don't go online everyday and even if I were to buy or sell I attempt to prioritize my life with what is vital. As much as I enjoy this hobby and communicating with others who have the same passion, it's something I would wait till Monday to deal with. Who knows if his internet service is working? Canada has a fire sweeping out a MAJOR chunk of people's homes and livelyhoods. By leaving a feedback at this time is like hitting that send button that "Grimes" wife sent some months ago. Is it worth the confrontation. I leave a phone number and if anyone has any issues call or text. It does work. Doug 269-599-8900 Last edited by Stifle; 05-08-2016 at 10:10 AM. Reason: Edit

05-08-2016, 11:27 AM	#45
theacox Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sconnie Posts: 2,802 theacox	I agree that there is a deal in place. My issue was the amount of time (or lack) that the OP waited before making this thread. __________________ Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

05-07-2016, 06:56 PM	#27
rookiehunter11 Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 561	So basically what I'm taking from this is I can make offers and just not pay. Got it. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk

05-07-2016, 08:24 PM	#35
Hoopdreams69 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 242	i think the OP is over reacting and is upset about not selling his card Boohoo make a whole thread to cry about it

05-07-2016, 10:37 PM	#37
pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 16,158	It's kinda funny the difference in this thread and what a similar thread in the member feedback section would look like. If you give an offer and its accepted, it's a done deal imo. I guess some are ok with playing games on here.

05-08-2016, 03:00 AM	#39
eastbayak Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 17,650 eastbayak	Patience is a virtue

05-08-2016, 09:40 AM	#42
seabass97166 Banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,685	Seems very petty to leave a negative. Just sell the card to somebody else and move on

05-08-2016, 11:49 AM	#46
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	Now 41%................ because I just posted. SELF PUTDOWN!!!!!

05-08-2016, 11:53 AM	#47
duron Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: NYC Posts: 12,219 drewtang duron	So basically OP still hasn't given key info - whether or not the potential buyer has even logged on since he accepted his offer - even though he was asked multiple times. Does have the time to call people dumb, though. In op's words, "got it." Half the fun of blowout is right here in this thread, and it's got nothing to do with cards. __________________ IG: Darz90sCardz PC: MJ/Penny

05-08-2016, 12:01 PM	#50
shrevecity Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 28,051	It seems to me a deal was in place, (op accepted his lower offer and sent payment info), unless there was a caveat we have not been informed of, but the time frame is way to early it had only been 12 hours since and it is a weekend. So a neg would be justified if he never pays, but I say at least wait until Monday then send a reminder then if nothing by Wednesday do what you want. Even showing to be logged in is not always an indicator the person is online.