Harden BGS 10 - Page 2

minnesotachill · 05-13-2016, 08:17 AM

Because the serial #s on them are different, the card was busted out of the case and resubmitted.

UltimateDeron · 05-13-2016, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by minnesotachill

Because the serial #s on them are different, the card was busted out of the case and resubmitted.

Can't even imagine going through the process of busting a 9.5 / 10. 9.5 / 9? Maybe.

rookies · 05-13-2016, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ebitz

I’m just only to make one post on this thread in effort to clear a few thing up
1. I do not own the james harden in question, I am offered it for sale for another fellow member of the boards who offered to chime in on this discussion but I told him he didn’t have to. I just receive the card about a week ago as a BGS 10 and have never seen it before or even touched it when it was ungraded
2. @rookies, the lebron exquisite you mentioned I bought as a BGS 9, so that is two different attacks you have made toward me without evening knowing the facts or maybe asking me or someone else about it, I would appreciate you knowing looking into what you are talking about before making such strong accusations towards me.
3. I take all of my own photos and copyright them because on probably about 5+ difference occasions people have gone in and taken my photos and opened their own ebay store with my photos and listed my cards at higher prices than my asking prices. Copyrighting them was the only idea I could think to do to try to prevent this from happening. But I realize that once an image is on the web somewhere its hard to really do much to protect
4. I did politely ask minnesotachill if he could take my photo with my logo down, I am fine with having the link up that @jj2 listed, but to even suggest that I “bullied” minnesotachill is very far from the truth and also offensive to me that someone would suggest I did that.
5. I have been a member on this board since 2010 have over 180 positive feedback and probably another 100 or so that not been documented. I have made a lot of great friends and contacts through the forum and have always tried to do the right thing, while I am no means perfect I always try my best to treat people kindly and fairly and would appreciate the same in return. If anyone else has anything else they would like to address to me feel free to contact me directly, thanks

I did look into it and asked a few guys, my bad man I didnt mean you in particular honestly but clearly my wording came out that way so I am sorry. Doesnt take away from the fact the card got trimmed though I would complain to the guy who you purchased it from. If you have any questions for me you can PM me as I have the older photos.

sniperx · 05-13-2016, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

Can't even imagine going through the process of busting a 9.5 / 10. 9.5 / 9? Maybe.

The 10 grade was obviously prearranged

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minnesotachill · 05-13-2016, 02:02 PM

After looking at the full BGS submission, it's pretty clear that an order was sent in looking for grade bumps..Any bump in grade for any of the following would more than offset the cost of getting them looked at.
The Lin NT is just one sub bump from being a Black Label BGS 10
Davis Immaculate just one sub bump from being a BGS 9.5
Huge profits if even just one gets a bump. In this situation it looks like BGS chose the Harden.

Anthony Davis Immac Acetate/23.......GRADE 0
Kevin Durant Chron Stitches..............GRADE 0
Kevin Durant SP Auth/299.................GRADE 0
Jeremy Lin NT/25..............................GRADE 0
James Harden NT.............................BGS 10
Kevin Durant Bowman Superfractor.....GRADE 0
Kevin Durant SP Auto Retail................GRADE 0

10 11 Jeremy Lin National Treasures Prime RC Rookie Patch Auto 25 BGS 10 Pop 1 | eBay

2007 08 Kevin Durant Bowman Sterling Superfractor Refractor RC Rookie 5 BGS 9 | eBay

2012 13 Anthony Davis Immaculate Acetate RC Patch Auto 23 BGS 9 5 from 9 5 | eBay

UltimateDeron · 05-13-2016, 02:05 PM

I'm new to grading, why do all but 1 say Grade 0? Does that mean they had a minimum grade listed by the submitter and so they didn't reach that grade? If so, how are they still in their BGS holders? This all seems so strenuous to me.

minnesotachill · 05-13-2016, 02:08 PM

The cards would have been sent in in their original holders. A 0 means that the card did not qualify for the minimum grade.

The owner of the Harden most likely sent in the BGS 9.5 and requested a new label if it was bumped.

It's not uncommon for people do try and get sub bumps at the big shows. Walk over to the BGS booth, drop off your cards, and they will look at them and decide if they want to bump the grades.

xavieronly1 · 05-13-2016, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

I'm new to grading, why do all but 1 say Grade 0? Does that mean they had a minimum grade listed by the submitter and so they didn't reach that grade? If so, how are they still in their BGS holders? This all seems so strenuous to me.

BGS can do the review without breaking the case.

BGS is not a machine. Eventually, you will hit a "right" guy to give you the bump.

ebitz · 05-13-2016, 02:23 PM

@ Rookies, thank you for your response, I appreciate it
@ minnedotachill, great work finding all the cards on the order, the Lin and the harden I just listed of from the same board member, the davis I actually bought elsewhere and is my own card so just coincidence that it appears on that order as well.

minnesotachill · 11-27-2018, 11:58 PM

looking back at this old thread, it looks like we had all the info on the LeBron a while ago as it's mentioned in here a few times.

jmscoggin · 11-28-2018, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ebitz

I do not own the james harden in question, I am offered it for sale for another fellow member of the boards. I just receive the card about a week ago as a BGS 10 and have never seen it before or even touched it when it was ungraded

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Originally Posted by ebitz

@ minnedotachill, great work finding all the cards on the order, the Lin and the harden I just listed of from the same board member, the davis I actually bought elsewhere and is my own card so just coincidence that it appears on that order as well.

Coincidence? I think that's an understatement.

NeedChapmans · 11-28-2018, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

Coincidence? I think that's an understatement.

Everyone in this game is dirty. Everyone.

theLUCKYshow · 11-28-2018, 12:51 AM

Great. More questions.

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Oldschool42 · 11-28-2018, 06:26 AM

Grading is a scam. Seems to me that the big submitters get taken care of while the normal guy gets what he gets. Grading is so subjective. The difference is value between a 9, 9.5, 10, or a Black Label 10 is huge.
I’ve had conversations with many people and they say the same thing: the grading companies are bought and paid for by the big submitters.
If a card is resubbed the companies need to let the collecting community know, total laziness on their part.

gameissued · 11-28-2018, 08:11 AM

I've submitted a 1/1 before that got a BGS 8. Cracked, resubmitted and got a 9.5. Both times the correct grade was given. How could this be?

I wiped down the card and took off whatever brown residue it was that made the surface a 7.. into a 9.5. Sooo.. while I agree with this in some cases (maybe huge cards).. most of the time it would just be be overkill.

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Originally Posted by Oldschool42

If a card is resubbed the companies need to let the collecting community know, total laziness on their part.

05-13-2016, 02:02 PM	#30
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,889	After looking at the full BGS submission, it's pretty clear that an order was sent in looking for grade bumps..Any bump in grade for any of the following would more than offset the cost of getting them looked at. The Lin NT is just one sub bump from being a Black Label BGS 10 Davis Immaculate just one sub bump from being a BGS 9.5 Huge profits if even just one gets a bump. In this situation it looks like BGS chose the Harden. Anthony Davis Immac Acetate/23.......GRADE 0 Kevin Durant Chron Stitches..............GRADE 0 Kevin Durant SP Auth/299.................GRADE 0 Jeremy Lin NT/25..............................GRADE 0 James Harden NT.............................BGS 10 Kevin Durant Bowman Superfractor.....GRADE 0 Kevin Durant SP Auto Retail................GRADE 0 10 11 Jeremy Lin National Treasures Prime RC Rookie Patch Auto 25 BGS 10 Pop 1 \| eBay 2007 08 Kevin Durant Bowman Sterling Superfractor Refractor RC Rookie 5 BGS 9 \| eBay 2012 13 Anthony Davis Immaculate Acetate RC Patch Auto 23 BGS 9 5 from 9 5 \| eBay Last edited by minnesotachill; 05-13-2016 at 02:06 PM.

05-13-2016, 02:05 PM	#31
UltimateDeron Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 9,924	I'm new to grading, why do all but 1 say Grade 0? Does that mean they had a minimum grade listed by the submitter and so they didn't reach that grade? If so, how are they still in their BGS holders? This all seems so strenuous to me. __________________ Collection: https://www.flickr.com/photos/150426280@N07/ Instagram: @gem.city.sportscards

05-13-2016, 02:08 PM	#32
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,889	The cards would have been sent in in their original holders. A 0 means that the card did not qualify for the minimum grade. The owner of the Harden most likely sent in the BGS 9.5 and requested a new label if it was bumped. It's not uncommon for people do try and get sub bumps at the big shows. Walk over to the BGS booth, drop off your cards, and they will look at them and decide if they want to bump the grades. Last edited by minnesotachill; 05-13-2016 at 02:14 PM.

11-28-2018, 12:51 AM	#38
theLUCKYshow Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 5,455 theluckshow	Great. More questions. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk __________________ Always looking for high end Harry Giles AKA the Future

05-13-2016, 08:17 AM	#26
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,889	Because the serial #s on them are different, the card was busted out of the case and resubmitted.

05-13-2016, 02:23 PM	#34
ebitz Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Boston MA Posts: 898	@ Rookies, thank you for your response, I appreciate it @ minnedotachill, great work finding all the cards on the order, the Lin and the harden I just listed of from the same board member, the davis I actually bought elsewhere and is my own card so just coincidence that it appears on that order as well.

11-27-2018, 11:58 PM	#35
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,889	looking back at this old thread, it looks like we had all the info on the LeBron a while ago as it's mentioned in here a few times.

11-28-2018, 06:26 AM	#39
Oldschool42 Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,637	Grading is a scam. Seems to me that the big submitters get taken care of while the normal guy gets what he gets. Grading is so subjective. The difference is value between a 9, 9.5, 10, or a Black Label 10 is huge. I’ve had conversations with many people and they say the same thing: the grading companies are bought and paid for by the big submitters. If a card is resubbed the companies need to let the collecting community know, total laziness on their part.