Rookie card re-issued as a buyback auto...still a RC? - Page 2

MoreToppsPlease · 07-19-2019, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by glen87

to me the stamp makes it not a "true" rookie card anymore

I agree with this. The stamp can’t work “both ways” if you will.

towerymt · 07-19-2019, 12:55 PM

I like the near 50/50 split. That's what I figured...I'm not sure which side I favor, but it's a Topps issued, autographed US300 which is pretty cool, and it's the only one.

I wonder, is there is a Chrome Update (#HMT55) auto 1/1 in the same series?

RiceBondsMT2Yng · 07-19-2019, 01:09 PM

It’s a true RC obviously. It’s also altered. The way it would be if you got a ‘51 Mantle signed. Or if Topps got it signed for you.

IronMonkey415 · 07-19-2019, 01:09 PM

In my neck of the wood, we call it Buyback insert.

blaze · 07-19-2019, 01:21 PM

People have no problem calling a RC that gets signed in person a RC... not sure why it’d be different if Topps does it for you. It’s a RC signed in 2019.

auburn35 · 07-19-2019, 01:25 PM

The Soto is an awesome card and it doesn't really matter to anyone other than the owner (potential owner) but is it just the 2019 stamp and/or 2019 autograph, that some feel, makes this 2018 card, no longer a "rookie"?

What about rookie cards, not date stamped and presumably also not autographed during the "rookie" season.
"rookie" or not a "rookie"?

rngrdanny22 · 07-19-2019, 01:27 PM

That's a sweet card. There's definitely a market for stuff like this. Look what 89 UD Griffey and 93 SP Jeter buyback autos go for (obviously not putting him on that level, just stating there's a market).

glen87 · 07-19-2019, 01:38 PM

a nice example

it all has to do with the stamping - card is no longer as it was when it was originally released

blaze · 07-19-2019, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glen87

a nice example

it all has to do with the stamping - card is no longer as it was when it was originally released

Looks like a signed RC to me. Looks like Leaf had 25 of them signed.

Mister2Bits · 07-19-2019, 01:44 PM

I picked up the Baez to add it to my rainbow of his Topps flagship RC. I'm on both sides of the fence here

1. It's an original Topps Series 1 #315. I like to add TTM/IP autographs to some of my spare RC's and this saves me the trouble of hunting down Baez or paying a significant amount of money at a signing (and it's been authenticated by Topps if I ever decide to part with it)

2. I subbed this to PSA and the official registry just has the label as...

2017 Topps Archives #315
Javier Baez
Signature Series

To me it is not part of the rainbow but a great addition to a rainbow. And yes it's an RC card

The Soto would be the same if you got it graded

2019 Topps Archives
Juan Soto
Signature Series

Cavaliercards · 07-19-2019, 01:57 PM

When Beckett was a power in the Hobby would year would this card be listed?

2019 Topps Archives

not 2018

luckyduck · 07-19-2019, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REGGIE206

To me, the actual card is a rookie card, but the auto is a 2019 autograph.

I'm inclined to look at it this way. You're buying a rookie card that has had something pretty cool done to it after it got printed and made as a rookie card. That thing, though, wasn't done in his rookie year, and it was done by the manufacturer for inclusion in a 2019 set.

I think it's a philosophical difference that reasonable people can disagree on. I think it's a really cool card regardless of what it is, and if I collected Soto, I would definitely want it.

hermanotarjeta · 07-19-2019, 02:34 PM

The best question for you to ask is whether or not you would use this card to complete your 2018 topps update set. If yes, then you probably consider this a rookie. If no, then it definitely should not be considered a rookie.

Peties Army · 07-19-2019, 02:41 PM

I think it also has to do with the product and how it is released. This product is released with the understanding it is a card that was changed and put into new product, therefore it is new product. You know you are getting a card like this.

This isn’t a rookie card. It just can’t be

TheWrightStuff · 07-19-2019, 02:42 PM

If it was just signed and encased by Topps, I think it would be a very cool RC. But, being stamped essentially makes it a reissue and no longer a RC. Still a cool card.

Shadowsonic2004 · 07-19-2019, 02:53 PM

If it's a buyback yes, it's a rookie card. If it's just some back stock they had or kept purposely for stuff like this, not a rookie.

KhalDrogo · 07-19-2019, 02:57 PM

I despise Archives, but do not mind signed versions of RCs. Would like to add a certified Trout Update one day.

Shadowsonic2004 · 07-19-2019, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I despise Archives, but do not mind signed versions of RCs. Would like to add a certified Trout Update one day.

Shocked you don't have one.

ThoseBackPages · 07-19-2019, 03:10 PM

Not a RC, but a damn nice card!

PokerPalace · 07-19-2019, 03:14 PM

That’s a RC buyback card to me

ryanrhino24 · 07-19-2019, 03:51 PM

The stamp seals the deal, not a RC. 2019 Archives Signature Rookie Buyback would be the terminology I would use.

Sharp card though.

blaze · 07-19-2019, 03:52 PM

I just don’t get how the card can be changed because of some ink and a stamp. The card doesn’t magically get its copyright date changed on the back. It’s a signed RC card that was inserted into 2019 packs. That’s a fact.

texmcpherson · 07-19-2019, 05:20 PM

I vote no

JrFinest · 07-19-2019, 05:48 PM

Rookie card buyback in my opinion.

Yes Topps continuously finds new ways to blur the lines of expectations. To me it was still made in 2018. Stamp be damned. 2019 auto edition.

MoreToppsPlease · 07-19-2019, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaze

I just don’t get how the card can be changed because of some ink and a stamp. The card doesn’t magically get its copyright date changed on the back. It’s a signed RC card that was inserted into 2019 packs. That’s a fact.

The hobby completely relies on logos, the stamp is a logo that supersedes all other logos on the card.

View Poll Results: Do you consider this a rookie card?
Yes...that's his RC printed in 2018.	76	39.18%
No...issued in 2019, so not a RC.	118	60.82%
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07-19-2019, 01:09 PM	#28
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07-19-2019, 01:21 PM	#30
blaze Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Minnesota Posts: 942	People have no problem calling a RC that gets signed in person a RC... not sure why it’d be different if Topps does it for you. It’s a RC signed in 2019. __________________ Always looking for high end Twins cards, especially MLB Logo Patches!

07-19-2019, 01:38 PM	#33
glen87 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: VERMONT Posts: 75,083 glen87 glen87	a nice example it all has to do with the stamping - card is no longer as it was when it was originally released __________________ collecting James Madison University players of all sports JMU cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmucards/ other cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/glen87/albums

07-19-2019, 01:44 PM	#35
Mister2Bits Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Florida Man Posts: 5,646 mistertwobits mistertwobits	I picked up the Baez to add it to my rainbow of his Topps flagship RC. I'm on both sides of the fence here 1. It's an original Topps Series 1 #315. I like to add TTM/IP autographs to some of my spare RC's and this saves me the trouble of hunting down Baez or paying a significant amount of money at a signing (and it's been authenticated by Topps if I ever decide to part with it) 2. I subbed this to PSA and the official registry just has the label as... 2017 Topps Archives #315 Javier Baez Signature Series To me it is not part of the rainbow but a great addition to a rainbow. And yes it's an RC card The Soto would be the same if you got it graded 2019 Topps Archives Juan Soto Signature Series __________________ Collecting: Ohtani, Judge \| Skateboarding Cards, Autographs & Decks

07-19-2019, 12:55 PM	#27
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 9,121	I like the near 50/50 split. That's what I figured...I'm not sure which side I favor, but it's a Topps issued, autographed US300 which is pretty cool, and it's the only one. I wonder, is there is a Chrome Update (#HMT55) auto 1/1 in the same series?

07-19-2019, 01:09 PM	#29
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	In my neck of the wood, we call it Buyback insert.

07-19-2019, 01:25 PM	#31
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,503	The Soto is an awesome card and it doesn't really matter to anyone other than the owner (potential owner) but is it just the 2019 stamp and/or 2019 autograph, that some feel, makes this 2018 card, no longer a "rookie"? What about rookie cards, not date stamped and presumably also not autographed during the "rookie" season. "rookie" or not a "rookie"? __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

07-19-2019, 01:27 PM	#32
rngrdanny22 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 12,425	That's a sweet card. There's definitely a market for stuff like this. Look what 89 UD Griffey and 93 SP Jeter buyback autos go for (obviously not putting him on that level, just stating there's a market).

07-19-2019, 01:57 PM	#36
Cavaliercards Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 30,892 cavaliercards	When Beckett was a power in the Hobby would year would this card be listed? 2019 Topps Archives not 2018 __________________ Always Buying: Vintage and Tobacco Cards Follow us on Twitter AND Instagram: @Cavaliercards

07-19-2019, 02:34 PM	#38
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 24,379	The best question for you to ask is whether or not you would use this card to complete your 2018 topps update set. If yes, then you probably consider this a rookie. If no, then it definitely should not be considered a rookie.

07-19-2019, 02:41 PM	#39
Peties Army Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: St. Louis Posts: 19,590 buddywilshire2003	I think it also has to do with the product and how it is released. This product is released with the understanding it is a card that was changed and put into new product, therefore it is new product. You know you are getting a card like this. This isn’t a rookie card. It just can’t be __________________ Comment of the day “How many bees are killed by mowing?”- Boo

07-19-2019, 02:42 PM	#40
TheWrightStuff Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 6,842 Nathan104	If it was just signed and encased by Topps, I think it would be a very cool RC. But, being stamped essentially makes it a reissue and no longer a RC. Still a cool card.

07-19-2019, 02:53 PM	#41
Shadowsonic2004 Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 3,601 Shadowsonic2004	If it's a buyback yes, it's a rookie card. If it's just some back stock they had or kept purposely for stuff like this, not a rookie.

07-19-2019, 02:57 PM	#42
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,714	I despise Archives, but do not mind signed versions of RCs. Would like to add a certified Trout Update one day. __________________ I love PSA!

07-19-2019, 03:10 PM	#44
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 91,376 ThoseBackPages	Not a RC, but a damn nice card! __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

07-19-2019, 03:14 PM	#45
PokerPalace Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 419	That’s a RC buyback card to me

07-19-2019, 03:51 PM	#46
ryanrhino24 Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: California Posts: 45	The stamp seals the deal, not a RC. 2019 Archives Signature Rookie Buyback would be the terminology I would use. Sharp card though.

07-19-2019, 03:52 PM	#47
blaze Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Minnesota Posts: 942	I just don’t get how the card can be changed because of some ink and a stamp. The card doesn’t magically get its copyright date changed on the back. It’s a signed RC card that was inserted into 2019 packs. That’s a fact. __________________ Always looking for high end Twins cards, especially MLB Logo Patches!

07-19-2019, 05:20 PM	#48
texmcpherson Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 15,992 texmcpherson	I vote no __________________ *You can’t triple stamp a double stamp.*

07-19-2019, 05:48 PM	#49
JrFinest Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,117 jrfinest_cards	Rookie card buyback in my opinion. Yes Topps continuously finds new ways to blur the lines of expectations. To me it was still made in 2018. Stamp be damned. 2019 auto edition.