2019-20 Anthony Davis Lakers Thread

[BreaultCards]

Originally Posted by tjforce

We'll see what he looks like on the biggest stage.

After all... we watched what happened when the MVP Giannis played these same Miami Heat.

And we'll also get to see what happen when LeBron plays them.

So yes... it's his 'chance' to show how he measures up to the best against a similar opponent.

If you tell me Davis is better then Giannis, I’m not buying.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by BreaultCards

If you tell me Davis is better then Giannis, I’m not buying.

I mean, we saw what Giannis did against the Heat. Here's Davis' chance to see what he can do.

[regularp]

Giannis is a better #1 option over the course of a season than Anthony Davis. In a playoff situation, Brow does not have the same limitations offensively. I expect another monster series out of Davis like he's done throughout his postseason career.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by regularp

Giannis is a better #1 option over the course of a season than Anthony Davis. In a playoff situation, Brow does not have the same limitations offensively. I expect another monster series out of Davis like he's done throughout his postseason career.

And that's what we're going to see.

Miami designed defense that slowed down Giannis, while not letting his teammates do too much damage.

Now we can see if Miami can find a way to limit AD.

[volblorx8634]

I'll be interested to see how, if the Lakers win, the Finals MVP shakes out. AD has consistently throughout the playoffs had the stronger statlines, but I think LeBron is more important to the team's success.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by volblorx8634

I'll be interested to see how, if the Lakers win, the Finals MVP shakes out. AD has consistently throughout the playoffs had the stronger statlines, but I think LeBron is more important to the team's success.

LeBron may end up with the MVP and I wouldn’t knock that decision, but AD is surely a lock for most under appreciated player of the year on Blowout


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[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

LeBron may end up with the MVP and I wouldn’t knock that decision, but AD is surely a lock for most under appreciated player of the year on Blowout


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Yeah, sounds like he's having a great game. My comment had nothing to do with today's game because I'm busy watching the Indians pitching, aka the only chance they had at postseason success, fail them miserably. My comment was in reference to leading up to the Finals. AD has the stats, but LeBron is the puppet master of the offense.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by volblorx8634

Yeah, sounds like he's having a great game. My comment had nothing to do with today's game because I'm busy watching the Indians pitching, aka the only chance they had at postseason success, fail them miserably. My comment was in reference to leading up to the Finals. AD has the stats, but LeBron is the puppet master of the offense.

No disagreement on LBJ being the centerpiece and very well finals MVP, I think we view it similarly. Sorry about the Indians, I’m a Lindor fan but haven’t followed them much this year.

My commentary is more on the consistent lack of respect AD has received throughout the year on BO and he has proved the haters wrong every step of the way. He is starting to get some credit (reluctantly) but it’s insane how little credit he had received up until recently for the Lakers success.


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[regularp]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

LeBron may end up with the MVP and I wouldn’t knock that decision, but AD is surely a lock for most under appreciated player of the year on Blowout


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They should be co-MVPs but one of them alone will win it. They need each other and compliment one another perfectly.

[tjforce]

So yaaaa... About the Giannis comparison...

It's just one game... but I think we can say Davis is ahead.

.... Miami better be working on a game plan to shut him down.

[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

No disagreement on LBJ being the centerpiece and very well finals MVP, I think we view it similarly. Sorry about the Indians, I’m a Lindor fan but haven’t followed them much this year.

My commentary is more on the consistent lack of respect AD has received throughout the year on BO and he has proved the haters wrong every step of the way. He is starting to get some credit (reluctantly) but it’s insane how little credit he had received up until recently for the Lakers success.


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Fair point, I can see both sides of it. AD can play disengaged at times, but I think the last few weeks he's been incredible.

Lindor has been awful this year except a short stretch of good hitting. He has been largely unimpressive since last year to be honest. I hope he gets traded this offseason and they get a good return back. I think this past offseason was the time to trade him to optimize return. But all in all, the Indians have 6 runs and we're in the 7th. If you told me they would score 6 runs, I would've thought they would win 100%. They lost only one game all season when scoring 6 runs. The best pitching team in baseball has given up 20 runs in 16 innings, hard to win when you can't optimize your strengths. Especially when your weakness, hitting, is so abysmal.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by volblorx8634

Fair point, I can see both sides of it. AD can play disengaged at times, but I think the last few weeks he's been incredible.

Lindor has been awful this year except a short stretch of good hitting. He has been largely unimpressive since last year to be honest. I hope he gets traded this offseason and they get a good return back. I think this past offseason was the time to trade him to optimize return. But all in all, the Indians have 6 runs and we're in the 7th. If you told me they would score 6 runs, I would've thought they would win 100%. They lost only one game all season when scoring 6 runs. The best pitching team in baseball has given up 20 runs in 16 innings, hard to win when you can't optimize your strengths. Especially when your weakness, hitting, is so abysmal.

Yea he’s going to be getting some love here soon I feel! The two headed monster of LA is formidable. They may have a couple more ships yet to come, we will see if LeBron ages or not haha.

It’s been a strange year for a lot of talented players at the dish. And as a former baseball player I kinda get it. Hitting is a groove thing and it’s delicate. I think the collective weirdness of the season really got some guys out of their rhythm. Nice 2 RBI double there though, Go tribe!


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[The Losing Edge]

To me, if you look at top players in league, you could make argument he is in top 3 on who you'd want for next 3-5 years. I don't think it's really close given aging curve, winning at high level, performance, health, & position. Ill leave team situation aside even tho that's a big part of ringzzz which will always drive reputation.

Think about a simple would you rather for that time frame. Who are you taking over him? This is my two cents from watching/reading over past two months of NBA play.

Old guard, already established.
1. Giannis. A two way physical force coming into prime with multiple MVPs already. AD has better handle and shot than Giannis by a pretty good margin. Defense is comparable, 1-2 in DPOY. Giannis a better athlete. Giannis is younger. Health has been similar to AD. No complaints if you like Giannis.
2. Lebron. I am not taking a 36 year old over AD even if he is 1st or 2nd best player off all time. Age will catch up with him at some point sooner than later to knock him out of top 10 player discussion. No for me.
3. Kawhi. Complete package only a wing instead of a big. Maybe explosiveness not top level but makes up for it in strength, lateral quickness. A few years older. Not exactly known for his health tho. Has winning pedigree if you forget about this years awful game 7. Yes could see it.
4. KD. Hard pass until I see him comeback to live action from torn achilles. Just too major of an injury. Starting to push into wrong side of aging curve as well. No.
5. Steph? Been banged up quite a bit last three years. Shooting will probably never go away. But if he starts losing a step on D, that could be trouble for someone his size who wasn't a great defender in the first place. No for me.
Dame, Harden, Jokic, PG are all easy passes.

Up and coming.
1. Luka. Nothing special on D and lacking athleticism. Has great size for position. Could see him improve athleticism/strength by being in NBA strength conditioning program multiple years and taking it seriously. Such an offense force. Basketball IQ seems to be so High on offense wonder if that will improve his D as he ages. High level international experience at such a young age counts for something to me. Yes for me.
2. Tatum. Two way wing. Can never go wrong there. D superb. Playmaking and handle improving? Needs to keep pull up game from deep he showcased this year. Athleticism above average but not next level. Already good playoff experience. No, but it's not far off.
3. Zion. Health a worry. Conditioning obviously needed work in bubble. Seemed like he was only trying on O and then maybe even picking his spots. Not sure we have even seen top 1% athleticism shine thru (yes this is what he still is when healthy even when compared to NBA player pool). Where are those block/steal numbers he had in college? Hell where are even above average block/steal #'s? Surely his D awareness will improve as he plays more. Shot will never be great but good enough? No based on health and inexperience.
4. Simmons. Injuries and lack of shooting make this one an easy no for me.

Any others in conversation???

To recap I would say Giannis, Kawhi, Luka are all in the camp of yes for me. But I don't think any of them are a slam dunk yes. If you change who want from 3-5 years to career then yes the young up and comers would take over. And if you changed it to just next year then you could probably add Lebron back in. But Looking medium term I cant see more than those three you'd want over AD.

[tjforce]

Revving up for Game 3..... Let's compare AD in 2 games with Giannis' 4 vs the Heat this post season:

Giannis: 22 pts, 11 rebs, 5 assists on 51% shooting
AD: 33 pts, 12 rebs, 3 assists on on 63% shooting.

Let's see what game 3 has in store.

[clipperboy24]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Revving up for Game 3..... Let's compare AD in 2 games with Giannis' 4 vs the Heat this post season:

Giannis: 22 pts, 11 rebs, 5 assists on 51% shooting
AD: 33 pts, 12 rebs, 3 assists on on 63% shooting.

Let's see what game 3 has in store.

Well your Ad crushes Giannis against the Heat narrative didn’t age too well after last night

EDIT: Also, you took the 4 game average, very misleading. Giannis only played 11 minutes before going down with injury in Game 4. He had 17 points, 4 boards and 1 steal and block in those 11 minutes and was on pace for his best game of the series. He was also injured 5 minutes into Game 3, and had by far his worst performance of the series in Game 3. Sounds like a hype job you got going to promote AD

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by clipperboy24

Well your Ad crushes Giannis against the Heat narrative didn’t age too well after last night

EDIT: Also, you took the 4 game average, very misleading. Giannis only played 11 minutes before going down with injury in Game 4. He had 17 points, 4 boards and 1 steal and block in those 11 minutes and was on pace for his best game of the series. He was also injured 5 minutes into Game 3, and had by far his worst performance of the series in Game 3. Sounds like a hype job you got going to promote AD

Yea... he pretty much disappeared in Game 3, didn't he.

I counted Game 3 and 4 because they both happened and were counted in W/L for the series, so I'm not going to ignore them. Yesterday was ADs worst game, so I'm not going to ignore that.

AD now averaging 27 pts, 9 Rebs, 3 assists of 64% shooting. He needs to be more aggressive and shoot more.

[clipperboy24]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Yea... he pretty much disappeared in Game 3, didn't he.

I counted Game 3 and 4 because they both happened and were counted in W/L for the series, so I'm not going to ignore them. Yesterday was ADs worst game, so I'm not going to ignore that.

AD now averaging 27 pts, 9 Rebs, 3 assists of 64% shooting. He needs to be more aggressive and shoot more.

But Giannis only played 11 minutes in game 4, so it doesn’t make sense to use full game averages. His ppg and RPG would be higher and his FG % would be lower. Foul trouble is one thing but Anthony Davis still played almost 33 minutes. Giannis only played 11 in game 4.

[yiguiri2002]

You know you can solve this by using Per 36 and Advanced stats, right guys?

[GoNYGoNYGo]

They are also different teams completely. One plays with Lebron and the others best player with him is Middleton.

They are both great players and any team would be happy to have either one of them.

[clipperboy24]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

You know you can solve this by using Per 36 and Advanced stats, right guys?

Per 36 sucks and of course advanced stats help. TJ Force used skewer info to support his narrative and probably pump his AD collection lol, that’s all I was pointing out

[drobfan8]

I'm taking AD over Giannis every day of the week.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by clipperboy24

Per 36 sucks and of course advanced stats help. TJ Force used skewer info to support his narrative and probably pump his AD collection lol, that’s all I was pointing out

LOL.


My Giannis collection is much better than my AD collection.

Nice try.

That and I think you're still salty that I actually did catch you in a lie trying to support your own narrative the other day:

Clipperboy24: "The Heat were up by 8 when Dragic got injured. Can’t say it didn’t have an impact, Herro came in and had the worst +/- of any player since the 2000 finals"

The Heat were actually down 11. Up 8, down 11, same thing.

Now that we're moving on from this failed troll attempt, it'll be interesting to see how AD adjusts in Game 4 to get more looks and also to get to the free throw line.

[clipperboy24]

Originally Posted by tjforce

LOL.


My Giannis collection is much better than my AD collection.

Nice try.

That and I think you're still salty that I actually did catch you in a lie trying to support your own narrative the other day:

Clipperboy24: "The Heat were up by 8 when Dragic got injured. Can’t say it didn’t have an impact, Herro came in and had the worst +/- of any player since the 2000 finals"

The Heat were actually down 11. Up 8, down 11, same thing.

Now that we're moving on from this failed troll attempt, it'll be interesting to see how AD adjusts in Game 4 to get more looks and also to get to the free throw line.

No troll attempt at all, just like you held me accountable for misstating, I truly was, I am a stats geek and thought that Dragic was +8 in the game, and that they heat had outscored the Lakers by 8 with dragic on the floor.

It wasn’t a lie, I looked at the play by play and thought that’s what it was, it was an incorrect statement but not a lie. A lie is intentionally deceiving that’s not what I did and very quickly acknowledged I was wrong. I think most people on BO just don’t take responsibility that they were wrong and try to create a narrative that matches their view. I’d love to meet people from here in person and see how everyone really is, or maybe not lol.

I just think if you are going to use the stats, at least use them accurately. You could be like I did and acknowledge they weren’t used correctly, my case was an honest mistake. With you defending and fighting so much it seems more intentional.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I'm taking AD over Giannis every day of the week.

And on Sundays Holidays and Paydays lol