Modern Hobby Blue Chips?

[pewe]

Originally Posted by MRSPORTSCARD

Rafael Devers as the kid can rake and only 23.

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[JoeAdam]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

Jerry Rice = NFL Blue Chip. Period.

Nope.

[pewe]

Btw I see Jeter on this list, and guess I never really paid much attention to him... how did he become at the level of a KGJ??? Maybe because I get up in Seattle Jeter just wasn’t very popular there, thus it is more of a NYC crowd thing?


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[phdbeckett]

Brees is for sure a blue chip. Ridiculous stats, longevity without decline.
Verlander is approaching or already there?(Qualifier: Do pitchers hold up as BC post-retirement?)

Does Dirk decline in status post-retirement? His legacy is solid, and he's a BC in my book. I just think that aside from Rookies, there are few cards that I see as investment worthy. I guess the same argument can be made for Verlander.

To me, a blue chip is a guy who's base in any set, have mass appeal, and parallels are typically sought after by many collectors. Example: If at a show, who would you buy all of their premium base if they were in a dollar box?

Not that this is the purpose of this thread, but having sought after base signals blue chip potential or status.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by phdbeckett

Brees is for sure a blue chip. Ridiculous stats, longevity without decline.

Verlander is approaching or already there?(Qualifier: Do pitchers hold up as BC post-retirement?)



Does Dirk decline in status post-retirement? His legacy is solid, and he's a BC in my book. I just think that aside from Rookies, there are few cards that I see as investment worthy. I guess the same argument can be made for Verlander.



To me, a blue chip is a guy who's base in any set, have mass appeal, and parallels are typically sought after by many collectors. Example: If at a show, who would you buy all of their premium base if they were in a dollar box?



Not that this is the purpose of this thread, but having sought after base signals blue chip potential or status.

Would you also have to add that they transcend sport and are in popular media and advertising dying and after their career?


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[tconte]

Originally Posted by JoeAdam

I’m even more strict, Brady, Trout, Jordan and LeBron. Don’t feel like any of these cards will be worth less in the future

I'm with this and add in Griffey and Jeter. That's about it.

Future for Acuna and Soto is a possibility and maybe another name or two
from the 2018 or 2019 crop of baseball future stars. I guess we will know if
5-10 years.

[pewe]

Btw it did get me thinking... it is useful to use social engagement as a strong signal when investing in equity of consumer businesses / media companies. So could the same be true of athletes and their cards?

Check this analysis from Forbes of top social engaged athletes from 2019

Top engagement doesn’t seem to follow performance or collecting, interestingly.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad.../#43875ea22f98


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[Skipscards]

These were definitely blue chips but injuries hurt them:
1984: Mattingly
1985: Gooden
1987: Bo Jackson

And I’d agree with others that mentioned Strasburg and Kershaw. I’d also add Harper.

[KhalDrogo]

I'm going to answer based on where I think they stand today.

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

MLB:
1989 Griffey Jr - borderline
1993 Jeter - yes
2001 Albert Pujols (may not be blue chip anymore) - no
2009 Trout - yes
Potential:
2018 Acuna / Soto (odds are this won't happen) - yes Acuna, no Soto

NBA:
1984 Jordan - yes
1996 Kobe - yes
2003 LeBron - yes
2007 Durant (may not be blue chip) - absolutely not
2009 Curry - yes
Potential:
2013 Giannis - yes
2018 Luka - yes
2019 Zion - yes

NFL:
1998 Manning (considered blue chip?) - yes
2000 Brady - yes
2001 Brees (considered blue chip?) - no
2005 Rodgers (considered blue chip?) - no
Potential:
2017 Patty - yes

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

Jerry Rice = NFL Blue Chip. Period.

Talent wise yes but you can't give away his rookie card.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Talent wise yes but you can't give away his rookie card.

I don’t collect football, but for the record, if anyone has a Jerry Rice Rookie Card they want to give away, you can give it to me.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

I don’t collect football, but for the record, if anyone has a Jerry Rice Rookie Card they want to give away, you can give it to me.

lol
I had a very nice PSA 8.5 listed for a while here, on 54, and on ebay, no interest at all, ended up moving it dirt cheap.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I'm going to answer based on where I think they stand today.

I mostly agree with KhalDrogo (except Griffey. I’d probably say yes vs borderline and would probably say Pujols is borderline at this point). But I’m not sure of the exercise. The OP listed some of the users who ruined their blue-chippedness. So, is the question “today, still” or does the question “how often they come along” mean “at some point for a period of years these players were/are blue chips”?

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by pspa123

lol
I had a very nice PSA 8.5 listed for a while here, on 54, and on ebay, no interest at all, ended up moving it dirt cheap.

Psh. 8.5. May as well be torn in half.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

I mostly agree with KhalDrogo (except Griffey. I’d probably say yes vs borderline and would probably say Pujols is borderline at this point). But I’m not sure of the exercise. The OP listed some of the users who ruined their blue-chippedness. So, is the question “today, still” or does the question “how often they come along” mean “at some point for a period of years these players were/are blue chips”?

The other thing I wonder: what does “blue chip” mean? Breadth of endorsements, brand revenue post their career?

I mean we are missing players with much bigger brands as demonstrated by annual brand / endorsement earnings list like Shaq, Montana, Marino, Ortiz...

Feels like some of those are probably at or above others on the list based on brand value

In fact only Lebron and Curry, of the above listed, were in the top 10 during ‘19.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...sports-brands/



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[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by phdbeckett

To me, a blue chip is a guy who's base in any set, have mass appeal, and parallels are typically sought after by many collectors. Example: If at a show, who would you buy all of their premium base if they were in a dollar box?

This is a pretty good barometer IMO.

The intent of this list isn't to capture who at one point was considered a blue chip. If it were, every top stelling BC/TC/Prizm/80s hot rookie would be listed. For one reason or another, most player's mass appeal in terms of collectibility wains over time for one reason or another. The intent is to capture who truly is considered a blue chip player as of today, this very moment, and barring some unforeseen catastrophe, will likely continue to be a true blue chip player moving forward. Additionally, the intent is to see over the past 35 years (85-20), how frequently does a blue chip player come along in a given sport and/or come along across all 4 sports.

If there are truly only 3 in the MLB:
-Griffey
-Jeter
-Mike
**That's 35 years / 3 = 1 blue chip per 11-12 years

If there are truly only 3 in the MLB:
-Griffey
-Jeter
-Mike
**That's 35 years / 3 = 1 blue chip per 11-12 years

If there are truly only 4 in the NBA (w/ at least 2 appearing to become):
-Jordan
-Kobe
-LeBron
-Curry
**That's 35 years / 4 = 1 blue chip per ~8 years
**Throw in Giannis, 1 blue chip per 7 years
**Throw in Luka, 1 blue chip per ~6 years

If there are 3 in the NFL (Patty's not there yet IMO):
-Manning
-Brady
-Brees
** That's 35 years / 3 = 1 blue chip per 11-12 years

If there are 3 in the NHL
-Crosby
-Ovechkin
-McDavid
** That's 35 years / 3 = 1 blue chip per 11-12 years

All together, if there are 13 blue chips in total over a span of 35 years, the hobby will generally see a blue chip player come through (meaning, all wax that year for that sport should be highly sought after IMO) once every 35 / 13 = 2.7 years. Rounding that up to 3 for simplicity, across all 4 major sports in a span of 3 years, there are 12 possibilities for a given sport's years cards to be successful or not (successful = yes, not successful = no). If the hobby sees blue chip once every 3 years, that means that the odds of any given hobby year for a specific sport having a blue chip rookie year player are 1/12 based on a 35 year average.

Yes, I think too much

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by pewe

Btw I see Jeter on this list, and guess I never really paid much attention to him... how did he become at the level of a KGJ??? Maybe because I get up in Seattle Jeter just wasn’t very popular there, thus it is more of a NYC crowd thing?


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[eye4talent]

I would say Pujols is a blue chip.

I failed to jump in some rookie cards in the 2-3 years that have gone up 3x-4x. (Specifically, the yellow Topps Chrome retrofractor and Leaf R&S Longevity.) And as a collector of red and orange Chrome refractors, I have watched his late-career stuff continue to rise.

And it’s not like the bottom has fallen out of the Bowman Chrome auto after all these years.

This could all reverse course in due time, but he is the most prolific hitter in the modern collecting era.

Although, I will say that the thing working against him is the mid-career team switch. He‘ll spend half his career as a beloved World Series champion in a rabid baseball town, and the other half as somewhat forgotten as an overpaid stat accumulator on a team that is second fiddle in its metro area.

But ultimately, he could finish his career second all-time in RBI, fourth in HR and sixth in hits, with three MVPs and two World Series titles. Considering how hallowed stats are in baseball (even in this sabermetric phase we’re in), it’s going to be hard for card collectors/investors to forget about what he’s accomplished.


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[imbluestreak23]

I like this ^^

One thing I've noticed is it takes several years post retirement for clectors to truly appreciate the contribution a player has made to their sport. Jordan stuff was high in 98, and in 03, but it's been the decade+ afterwards where it's 3-5-10xd. Kobe is on the cusp. Bron rode part of the Jordan wave, unsure what he will do moving forward. Jeter also had a similar post retirement bump especially for rookies.

[Neo]

Originally Posted by pewe

Btw I see Jeter on this list, and guess I never really paid much attention to him... how did he become at the level of a KGJ??? Maybe because I get up in Seattle Jeter just wasn’t very popular there, thus it is more of a NYC crowd thing?

[pewe]

Originally Posted by dizzydolse

Exactly how I looked when I saw him on the list! Perfect


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[ThoseBackPages]

Great thread

My list would be very very small.

i think its not wise to include High End anything, RCs especially, as they are usually pricy, regardless of the player on the card

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by pewe

Btw I see Jeter on this list, and guess I never really paid much attention to him... how did he become at the level of a KGJ??? Maybe because I get up in Seattle Jeter just wasn’t very popular there, thus it is more of a NYC crowd thing?


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you are better then this, for sure

[JoeAdam]

I think it’s way to early to include Zion or Luka on this list.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you are better then this, for sure

I cannot lie: I am not

I’m going to need to do some reading up to get a sense of how he could be blue chip. I mean he’s at a premium position, and played NYY for the career... but honestly I never paid much attention to him in my gap years between youth collecting and now (I knew him mostly from all my fantasy baseball during those year).

He was “just a good player on the Yankees” to me, but not “the star of the team”. Kind of like, “gasp”, Edgar Martinez on the Mariners, great, going to make HOF, but not the most recognized guy on the team.

But quite honestly this might be because I spent his entire career living in either Boston or varius places in the west coast where he just wasn’t really focused on.

I mean, I can’t even remember him as a 1st round player in all my fantasy baseball years. I’d have to go back and look closer. He was solid, but lacked power or BB, and was mostly good for SB and hits if I remember right. I would have assumed blue chip players would be the names we lusted about every year.


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