Bold Prediction featuring Zion Williamson - Page 2

Gio47 · 07-02-2020, 03:35 PM

VIA Mark Titus on Twitter.

"Zion used the time off to shed 25 pounds of pure fat and put on 10 pounds of lean, explosive, dynamic muscle."

Akphillips86 · 07-02-2020, 03:35 PM

Zion cards are going to rise BIG TIME from where they are at. People that are saying his Prizm is overvalued IMO aren’t paying attention to what happened to other Prizm RCs. Comparatively speaking, his card prices are currently low in relation to his potential. It’s all about ceiling, and Zion’s ceiling is insanely high.

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brothertona · 07-02-2020, 03:56 PM

What is his ceiling though? Blake Griffin? AD? I just have a hard time seeing any way he lives up to the completely ridiculous expectations.

ShaneFalco · 07-02-2020, 03:59 PM

BOLD. I love it though.

Spacemanspif · 07-02-2020, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

What is his ceiling though? Blake Griffin? AD? I just have a hard time seeing any way he lives up to the completely ridiculous expectations.

Realistically? I'd say the ceiling is Giannis / Steph level, not going to say he'll ever approach Lebron or anything. Talent-wise AD is up there, but has no personality / marketability. Zion can produce at a Davis+ level and is way more fun to watch. If he can't stay healthy, then yes there are parallels to Blake, but that's not the ceiling that's probably the floor.

PSA2Pac · 07-02-2020, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

What is his ceiling though? Blake Griffin? AD? I just have a hard time seeing any way he lives up to the completely ridiculous expectations.

Ceiling is beyond Griffin and AD.

Akphillips86 · 07-02-2020, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

What is his ceiling though? Blake Griffin? AD? I just have a hard time seeing any way he lives up to the completely ridiculous expectations.

Comparisons are tough to be honest because there hasn’t really been a player that truly mirrors Zion. He has similar aspects with many players, but his combination of size/athleticism is something otherworldly.

I’m just looking at how the hobby put a pause button on Zion to chase others. Maybe it’s because the Pels have a slim chance in the Playoffs this year. Long term though, I’m buying Zion right now.

If his peak was AD btw, that would still be a huge compliment. AD is a beast. I’ve been buying up AD like crazy this past month. Only thing that held his cards back was a Pelicans jersey.

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brothertona · 07-02-2020, 04:10 PM

That's the hope. During rehab they talked about having to teach him to land/jump to minimize stress on his knee - I'd worry about him staying on the plan as there were many games he landed super awkwardly and off balance.

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brothertona · 07-02-2020, 04:13 PM

Peak Blake Griffin was a 20 and 10 player, that's saying he's going to be better than one of the best interior talents of the early 2000-teens

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asujbl · 07-02-2020, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gio47

VIA Mark Titus on Twitter.

"Zion used the time off to shed 25 pounds of pure fat and put on 10 pounds of lean, explosive, dynamic muscle."

Via Mark Titus might be my favorite thing ever...

This Mark Titus? Who I know well and is a great guy...

https://youtu.be/5V6FCitvRUM

brothertona · 07-02-2020, 04:14 PM

I haven't seen any pause - his market is still pretty insane - basically priced as if he's there.

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ninjacookies · 07-02-2020, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Comparisons are tough to be honest because there hasn’t really been a player that truly mirrors Zion. He has similar aspects with many players, but his combination of size/athleticism is something otherworldly.

I’m just looking at how the hobby put a pause button on Zion to chase others. Maybe it’s because the Pels have a slim chance in the Playoffs this year. Long term though, I’m buying Zion right now.

If his peak was AD btw, that would still be a huge compliment. AD is a beast. I’ve been buying up AD like crazy this past month. Only thing that held his cards back was a Pelicans jersey.

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I think the things that worked against AD and put a pre-LA lull on his prices were:

1) it took him a few years to develop into a dominant force. there was no immediate success with AD

2) he was king of the 'bumps and bruises' narrative. He didn't miss as much time as people think, but he was constantly leaving games early and returning in the 2nd half due to smashing his head on a camera or spraining his finger on the scorer's table. It became a stigma.

3) His numbers never translated into any notable playoff success in NO. If Zion (along with the team) can change that early in his career, it'll be a huge plus

Bronconation24 · 07-02-2020, 04:19 PM

Dude laid off the jambalaya for a week, and his card values will go up 100%? Wild times in this hobby

Akphillips86 · 07-02-2020, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

I haven't seen any pause - his market is still pretty insane - basically priced as if he's there.

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His market has confusing disparities. His autos are BANANAS, but base is relatively tame by comparison. I think people are too used to seeing his Prizm and Optic cards. I can’t help but think what price tags on his base will look like in ten years.

As always, we are just speculating here and I could be wrong, but I just see a terrific opportunity to grab some Zion base RCs that may never present itself again.

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Akphillips86 · 07-02-2020, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I think the things that worked against AD and put a pre-LA lull on his prices were:

1) it took him a few years to develop into a dominant force. there was no immediate success with AD

2) he was king of the 'bumps and bruises' narrative. He didn't miss as much time as people think, but he was constantly leaving games early and returning in the 2nd half due to smashing his head on a camera or spraining his finger on the scorer's table. It became a stigma.

3) His numbers never translated into any notable playoff success in NO. If Zion (along with the team) can change that early in his career, it'll be a huge plus

Valid points. I think the NO/LA thing actually worked well for both teams. I expect the Pels to build into a playoff contender within the next few years with their young talent. I’m rooting for Zion big time. I don’t own a ton of his stuff, but I love the way the kid plays and carries himself.

I also, expect that AD’s new locale is going to cause his stock to rise immensely. With a Lakers championship, prices could get silly fast. People are going to be glued to the TV and they are going to have a hard time missing the fact that LeBron isn’t the only person in a Lakers jersey dominating out there.

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ninjacookies · 07-02-2020, 04:45 PM

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Valid points. I think the NO/LA thing actually worked well for both teams. I expect the Pels to build into a playoff contender within the next few years with their young talent. I’m rooting for Zion big time. I don’t own a ton of his stuff, but I love the way the kid plays and carries himself.

I also, expect that AD’s new locale is going to cause his stock to rise immensely. With a Lakers championship, prices could get silly fast. People are going to be glued to the TV and they are going to have a hard time missing the fact that LeBron isn’t the only person in a Lakers jersey dominating out there.

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Agreed..couldn't have worked better for either team or players. And Zion/AD just wouldn't have worked in NO. Too much usage between two primary bigs that bang down low.

I admit I was a bit hesitant wondering how Zion's hobby perspective would fare since he went to NO. But it doesn't matter where you play as long as you produce.

n1nesports · 07-02-2020, 04:46 PM

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Absolutely. But it is vintage as well. So we are talking BIG $$$$$$$$$$.

Big Booooiiiiiiii !

lol

vintage AND modern, psa here I come

csrockerzero · 07-02-2020, 04:53 PM

...if there is anymore basketball this season...

n1nesports · 07-02-2020, 04:55 PM

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...if there is anymore basketball this season...

Once Zion has set his trajectory, there is no stopping him!!

Boo · 07-02-2020, 05:01 PM

So Zion lost weight and Ja put on weight, glad they spent their time wisely. Should be fun

pejc300 · 07-02-2020, 05:02 PM

Not gonna lie. If that photo is not photoshopped he looks absolutely incredible.

whoaitsg33 · 07-02-2020, 05:05 PM

not pumping but i've always been a lonzo fan. looks like this whole team is about to take off.

playoffs or bust.

asujbl · 07-02-2020, 05:07 PM

Baker Mayfield is skinny

In case this thread translates to Football

ninjacookies · 07-02-2020, 05:10 PM

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Baker Mayfield is skinny

In case this thread translates to Football

Sounds mega.

He a kicker? I'm in.

RyanMW · 07-02-2020, 05:11 PM

I agree and this is giving me serious FOMO. I feel like $600 is going to end up being a steal, which is insane. I also wish there was a way both the Grizzlies and Pelicans could get into the playoffs. Ja and Zion are two of the 10 (maybe 5) most exciting guys in the league right now.

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Boo Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: PA Posts: 55,127 klay22	So Zion lost weight and Ja put on weight, glad they spent their time wisely. Should be fun __________________ I have found that flicking through a few threads on my smartphone is a great way to pass some time while "stocking the pond."Hairy 6/7/12 “ I feel you, brother. Welcome to East Berlin, circa 1963.” Hairy 5/9/20

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asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 62,329 ohiosundevils	Baker Mayfield is skinny In case this thread translates to Football __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

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Gio47 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2,964	VIA Mark Titus on Twitter. "Zion used the time off to shed 25 pounds of pure fat and put on 10 pounds of lean, explosive, dynamic muscle."

07-02-2020, 03:35 PM	#27
Akphillips86 Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 2,960	Zion cards are going to rise BIG TIME from where they are at. People that are saying his Prizm is overvalued IMO aren’t paying attention to what happened to other Prizm RCs. Comparatively speaking, his card prices are currently low in relation to his potential. It’s all about ceiling, and Zion’s ceiling is insanely high. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-02-2020, 03:56 PM	#28
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	What is his ceiling though? Blake Griffin? AD? I just have a hard time seeing any way he lives up to the completely ridiculous expectations.

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brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	That's the hope. During rehab they talked about having to teach him to land/jump to minimize stress on his knee - I'd worry about him staying on the plan as there were many games he landed super awkwardly and off balance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	Peak Blake Griffin was a 20 and 10 player, that's saying he's going to be better than one of the best interior talents of the early 2000-teens Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-02-2020, 04:14 PM	#36
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	I haven't seen any pause - his market is still pretty insane - basically priced as if he's there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-02-2020, 04:19 PM	#38
Bronconation24 Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,342	Dude laid off the jambalaya for a week, and his card values will go up 100%? Wild times in this hobby

07-02-2020, 05:02 PM	#46
pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,671	Not gonna lie. If that photo is not photoshopped he looks absolutely incredible.

07-02-2020, 05:05 PM	#47
whoaitsg33 Banned Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 769	not pumping but i've always been a lonzo fan. looks like this whole team is about to take off. playoffs or bust.

07-02-2020, 05:11 PM	#50
RyanMW Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 386 RyanMW412	I agree and this is giving me serious FOMO. I feel like $600 is going to end up being a steal, which is insane. I also wish there was a way both the Grizzlies and Pelicans could get into the playoffs. Ja and Zion are two of the 10 (maybe 5) most exciting guys in the league right now.