Are Football cards poised to explode?!?

[chasacar86]

Originally Posted by the mesiah

Until I start Seeing Asia playing tackle American football then no ..

Michael Jordan is Asian?

First offseason I've sold quite a few things to shipmycards and PWCC vault addies with...not names like John Smith.

I think it's starting to happen. Also think any qbs that "hit" this year see a much greater pop than we're used to seeing because of the shift in new $ and interest from that int'l basketball group.

Won't happen overnight, but feels like it could be the initial stages for it. Certainly not an ideal year for a league light approach with covid adjustments though.

[thenwhatjk]

This post has set off a wildfire!!!

[rippev]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

You’re right. It’s on sale for $599 now, down from $649.

Mea culpa. Feel better?

They can be had for just over $500.

[GoHawks25]

Yeah it already did/currently is exploding. Some price jumps of cards I own include...

1. Patrick Mahomes 2017 PSA 10 Prizm from under $1000 before the Super Bowl (when I sold mine ) to $4500-$5000 in 5 months
2. Tom Brady 2000 Bowman PSA 9 from $400 3 months ago to $950-$1050 today
3. Dak Prescott 2016 Prizm PSA 10 from $100 to $400 in 4 months
4. Russell Wilson 2012 Topps Chrome Rookie Auto BGS 9.5/10 /178 from $500ish a few months ago to me countering an offer of $1200 earlier this week

A huge jump has already happened. Not like basketball, but still room to grow. I’ve definitely done some research into basketball lately and have considered selling off my football cards and buying 90s Michael Jordan inserts. Because of this jump my collection has nearly tripled in value in the last few months and I see it more as a investment now. If I liquidated my football and spent it all on MJ today I could have a pretty small collection of quality MJ cards that I don’t see ever decreasing. Maybe 5 or so cards that range from $250-$1200 each. Set them aside and watch them grow like stocks.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by rippev

They can be had for just over $500.

[the mesiah]

Originally Posted by chasacar86

Michael Jordan is Asian?

First offseason I've sold quite a few things to shipmycards and PWCC vault addies with...not names like John Smith.

I think it's starting to happen. Also think any qbs that "hit" this year see a much greater pop than we're used to seeing because of the shift in new $ and interest from that int'l basketball group.

Won't happen overnight, but feels like it could be the initial stages for it. Certainly not an ideal year for a league light approach with covid adjustments though.

About a billion over there wearing his shoes and jerseys and of course buying his cards ..not to mention bron , zion, steph Curry , and Kobe (RIP) is a GOD over there prob more Than any of above mentioned ..

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by GoHawks25

Yeah it already did/currently is exploding. Some price jumps of cards I own include...

1. Patrick Mahomes 2017 PSA 10 Prizm from under $1000 before the Super Bowl (when I sold mine ) to $4500-$5000 in 5 months
2. Tom Brady 2000 Bowman PSA 9 from $400 3 months ago to $950-$1050 today
3. Dak Prescott 2016 Prizm PSA 10 from $100 to $400 in 4 months
4. Russell Wilson 2012 Topps Chrome Rookie Auto BGS 9.5/10 /178 from $500ish a few months ago to me countering an offer of $1200 earlier this week

A huge jump has already happened. Not like basketball, but still room to grow. I’ve definitely done some research into basketball lately and have considered selling off my football cards and buying 90s Michael Jordan inserts. Because of this jump my collection has nearly tripled in value in the last few months and I see it more as a investment now. If I liquidated my football and spent it all on MJ today I could have a pretty small collection of quality MJ cards that I don’t see ever decreasing. Maybe 5 or so cards that range from $250-$1200 each. Set them aside and watch them grow like stocks.

I think it’s interesting because that jump happened in the offseason, coninciding with other sports shutting down, a global pandemic and new $$$ coming into the market.

Outside of Patty the other guys didn’t do anything phenomenal last year To warrant their price la going up. So I would assume the bump is from new people and $$$ coming into football.

I think the better question is then, when the normal football dynamics take over, is there a big increase at all for any of these players or do we see a stagnant period where the “new” prices settle in or will we see significant drops for some of the guys, take Dak, when he has another meh season.

[chasacar86]

Originally Posted by the mesiah

About a billion over there wearing his shoes and jerseys and of course buying his cards ..not to mention bron , zion, steph Curry , and Kobe (RIP) is a GOD over there prob more Than any of above mentioned ..

I know, just saying I don't think we need an Asian NFL guy to get it going. And I'm not over here pumping it up/hoping it does just going off what I've noticed.

No background knowledge here so I may be off but roughly it all started what late 80's when Jordan started to take off? ~30 years ago...Brady not what I'd call a "cool" global icon, but Mahomes certainly feels like that. Minus the flexing after every play, of course.

I think he can def lead the way and start at least a lightweight version of that movement Jordan did.

If they don't make a shoe for him, next best thing jersey/cards perhaps.

[chasacar86]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I think it’s interesting because that jump happened in the offseason, coninciding with other sports shutting down, a global pandemic and new $$$ coming into the market.

Outside of Patty the other guys didn’t do anything phenomenal last year To warrant their price la going up. So I would assume the bump is from new people and $$$ coming into football.

I think the better question is then, when the normal football dynamics take over, is there a big increase at all for any of these players or do we see a stagnant period where the “new” prices settle in or will we see significant drops for some of the guys, take Dak, when he has another meh season.

100%. That's why I say any QB's that play well this year (I think) have bigger pop potential than we've seen in the past.

[the mesiah]

Originally Posted by chasacar86

I know, just saying I don't think we need an Asian NFL guy to get it going. And I'm not over here pumping it up/hoping it does just going off what I've noticed.

No background knowledge here so I may be off but roughly it all started what late 80's when Jordan started to take off? ~30 years ago...Brady not what I'd call a "cool" global icon, but Mahomes certainly feels like that. Minus the flexing after every play, of course.

I think he can def lead the way and start at least a lightweight version of that movement Jordan did.

If they don't make a shoe for him, next best thing jersey/cards perhaps.

I’m not saying there has to be a Asian Brady or Asian jordan because the ones I mentioned are of course not Asian ..but What I’m saying is David stern has religiously Year in and year out thought of what he can do to expand the game outside of the US , he hit the jackpot in Spain 92 Olympics and it snowballed effect into other euro countries building up their nba fan base , love of basketball go another level once Nba’ers went over there ..now when they tapped into the Asian market As early as mid 90’s from what I remember , plus add in Yao coming over In early 2000’s etc etc ..It’s ballooned , Roger hasn’t done that and Adam silver continues to do so as well ..only way I can see it really exploding is these YouTube guys pumping out video after video pumping up nfl players and saying INVEST INVEST because I said so and like sheep they follow .

[majestik101]

I'll withhold judgment until I hear the official word from sports card investor

[jasonm2121]

I think Football is poised to explode in the sense of beyond what it was. Up until 2019, it was pretty much Brady and Vintage legends. Now, you are seeing players like Mahomes, Watson and finally Manning, Barry Sanders etc get more love than they had, and going high much faster than before. It looks like more money is spilling into potential studs than it did in the past.

[YeahBuddy]

I'm back into the cards, and while that's mostly basketball , football is my 2nd. And I buy not simply on QBs. I like RBs and some WRs too, and then of course my Texans.

The so called concensus I keep hearing is football is going to explode soon and I guess I'm helping since I buy up most my wants on ebay. Helping that RB/WR market. And I also like some beastin' linebackers too.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by chasacar86

100%. That's why I say any QB's that play well this year (I think) have bigger pop potential than we've seen in the past.

Does that also mean if they have a bad season we are going to see a bigger drop?

What level would be playing good? Does Lamar jump more if he has a good season but no MVP/SB

What about Wilson?

I just wonder how the new money will react to an actual NFL season.

[senorlaverga]

Originally Posted by YeahBuddy

The so called concensus I keep hearing is football is going to explode soon and I guess I'm helping since I buy up most my wants on ebay. Helping that RB/WR market. And I also like some beastin' linebackers too.

There’s truth in that, I think. Already starting to see major price jumps in retired non-QBs. Calvin Johnson stuff might be finally catching on which is not good for my PC efforts.

[ucLAkers]

The answer is NOPE and actually will implode...



Im curious to see the rate of newbie BO members during this pandemic. Seems like 10 a day lately.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Hearing people putting money into defensive players for “investment” purposes is what makes this feel more bubbly than something substantial, but I do think there will always be a rising market for high profile QBs.

[chasacar86]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Does that also mean if they have a bad season we are going to see a bigger drop?

What level would be playing good? Does Lamar jump more if he has a good season but no MVP/SB

What about Wilson?

I just wonder how the new money will react to an actual NFL season.

No idea. Lamar I could totally see that as I wouldn't expect him to win either if Mahomes plays the full year, but Ravens will coast into the playoffs so I'd imagine he continues to rise.

Wilson perfect candidate as well. But all of it I really think there's no telling until it actually is in process.

[chasacar86]

Also, at what point do the posts complaining about "all the newbs entering the hobby" end? Obvious answer is never buuuut

Feels a lot like that person who listened to a song that became a hit first, and now just cannot believe others are hearing and enjoying that song that they knew about first(!)

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by chasacar86

Also, at what point do the posts complaining about "all the newbs entering the hobby" end? Obvious answer is never buuuut

Feels a lot like that person who listened to a song that became a hit first, and now just cannot believe others are hearing and enjoying that song that they knew about first(!)

Like who? Example please....

[49erRCCollector]

This all feels artificially inflated.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by chasacar86

No idea. Lamar I could totally see that as I wouldn't expect him to win either if Mahomes plays the full year, but Ravens will coast into the playoffs so I'd imagine he continues to rise.

Wilson perfect candidate as well. But all of it I really think there's no telling until it actually is in process.

I agree. One thing I am (almost) certain of is extreme volatility is going to continue to be the norm.

[Siberian13]

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by chasacar86

Also, at what point do the posts complaining about "all the newbs entering the hobby" end? Obvious answer is never buuuut

Feels a lot like that person who listened to a song that became a hit first, and now just cannot believe others are hearing and enjoying that song that they knew about first(!)

Hopefully my post didn’t come off as complaining. I’m not. I think it’s great that the hobby is growing, but as someone who collects comics and cards and has lived through a few boom/crash periods, I just see a lot of signs that point to a financial downturn. I just hope the people coming in genuinely love the hobby, those are the people we need more of. Sometimes it seems like it’s just new people coming in, dropping a lot of money on a card, and then wanting to see an immediate financial gain. I’m less enthusiastic about those people entering the hobby. As someone who doesn’t do this for the money, it’s no big deal, I’ll just be here waiting to add to my collection if a crash happens.

[ovrcollect]

In basketball, I think it's easier to see how good a player is on their own. One player can make a huge impact and players drafted in the higher lottery picks can usually transition somewhat effectively. This leads to stronger speculation price wise.

Football is tough value wise because it really does rely on the team. QB's need receivers, a line, and a defense to keep them winning games. RB's need a line and an effective QB (and a defense so they can keep running the ball.) WR's need a QB, a line, and a pass friendly offense. Football also, by far, has the most "busts" when it comes to top draft picks, and can lead to some tremendous falls at all positions. The current astronomical values of QBs will come back to earth at some point when people see that value in football isn't entirely based on potential.

Guys like Kyler, Lock, etc would be lucky to have a career like Matthew Stafford, but with the available hindsight is he a QB you would've wanted to invest in? Most of these guys will be Andy Daltons or Tyrod Taylors.