1985 Michael Jordan Nike Promo - thoughts?

[tripncards]

Very interesting responses/perspective. Appreciate it.

[lyyca]

Originally Posted by Zcardsz

I think it has a ton of room
To grow. It’s THE Iconic Image of the MJ logo,
Birth of Air Jordan. It’s pre 1986. Culturally it crosses sneakers and sports cards. Low population according to PSA pop reports. And very tough to get nice grade due to issues of storing them being oversized.

I think it’s just getting started.


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THIS ^^

[tripncards]

Originally Posted by Zcardsz

I think it has a ton of room
To grow. It’s THE Iconic Image of the MJ logo,
Birth of Air Jordan. It’s pre 1986. Culturally it crosses sneakers and sports cards. Low population according to PSA pop reports. And very tough to get nice grade due to issues of storing them being oversized.

I think it’s just getting started.


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I agree. Great points.

[Illustrious]

A PSA 9 went for $2250 last night, I remember 3-4 years ago hesitating and resisting paying $200 for a PSA 9 when I wanted to pick one up...I really missed the boat on this one.

[Sportscards1086]

I don’t think a card is gonna go from 950-$10k just like that LMAO


If that’s the case I think the market would be consumed/dried up by Flippers

[tripncards]

Originally Posted by Sportscards1086

I don’t think a card is gonna go from 950-$10k just like that LMAO


If that’s the case I think the market would be consumed/dried up by Flippers

Sportscards1086 - The PSA 10's are going for 10k+ (image attached). One PSA 10 is sitting @ $13k with a day left. That's why I mentioned completed sales in the original post vs asking price. I was caught by surprise they are going that high via completed sales.

[Jeff1970Red]

So I bought unopened. How do I know?

[Willikn]

Originally Posted by Jeff1970Red

So I bought unopened. How do I know?

Open, take a photo and share it.

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[tripncards]

Originally Posted by Jeff1970Red

So I bought unopened. How do I know?

I have seen people post a pic and ask if it is legit

[Illustrious]

Here's a guy who bought two unopened sets, with one turning out to be fake. You can see the pretty noticeable differences of the counterfeits once he compares them with the real set:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv5werEuC4

[rj.cataldo]

Originally Posted by Illustrious

Here's a guy who bought two unopened sets, with one turning out to be fake. You can see the pretty noticeable differences of the counterfeits once he compares them with the real set:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv5werEuC4

I don’t think that is the extent of the fakes though? They spelled Jordan’s name wrong on the card. Didn’t think the fakes were that obvious.


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[tripncards]

Originally Posted by Illustrious

A PSA 9 went for $2250 last night, I remember 3-4 years ago hesitating and resisting paying $200 for a PSA 9 when I wanted to pick one up...I really missed the boat on this one.

It seems as if all the grades have just went up after The Last Dance came out. I do wonder if it's a true rise in value for this card, a "tv series" affect, or maybe little of both.

[GeechQuest]

This card is thought of as the ultimate snake oil card. Don West and Ken Goldin (yes, that Goldin) peddled these things back in the day. They sold them for $20K, then again for $5K. Not even PSA versions, but PRO graded versions. I still remember them saying these were going to be $100K.

It’s been the joke card of the hobby going on 20 years. It’s funny to see it gain traction and the Don West prophecy come full circle.

History seems to repeat itself.

[Illustrious]

Don West hyped a lot of cards back in the day, it doesn't mean those cards are "jokes" now and shouldn't be collected or in demand. Like it's been stated numerous times before, this card has a lot going for it: it's an 1985 card that predates the '86 Fleer, it's got the iconic pose that became the Air Jordan logo, and it's manufactured by Nike, which appeals to the sneakerheads. And before anybody brings up "well it's not standard size", neither is Kareem's, Pete Maravich's, or even Joe Namath's rookie cards, and that hasn't slowed demand for any of those down.

[mikeex0114]

Even fakes/reprints are selling for good money, not listed as such.

[Erikthredd]

I see lots of red flags with this 3 card Nike lot that just sold last night, if the buyer sees this comment I would seriously try to getting your money back.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-1985-Nike...p2047675.l2557

[Willikn]

Originally Posted by Erikthredd

I see lots of red flags with this 3 card Nike lot that just sold last night, if the buyer sees this comment I would seriously try to getting your money back.

The OG of fakes. That one has been around for over 20 years. No foolin'

[Erikthredd]

Originally Posted by Willikn

The OG of fakes. That one has been around for over 20 years. No foolin'

Yup. All three have the red backboard box top right corner in the same position up near the top right corner of card,then go look at where the Nike logo is postioned on bottom left corner especially in pics 2&4. Those two might actually be trimmed on top of being fakes. Hopefully buyer reads this thread.

[tripncards]

Originally Posted by Erikthredd

I see lots of red flags with this 3 card Nike lot that just sold last night, if the buyer sees this comment I would seriously try to getting your money back.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-1985-Nike...p2047675.l2557

Interesting. Thanks for your reasoning on why that is. I didn't realize those would be immediate red flags. I also hope the buyer sees this as well. The PSA's seem to still be rising for the card.

[Erikthredd]

Originally Posted by tripncards

Interesting. Thanks for your reasoning on why that is. I didn't realize those would be immediate red flags. I also hope the buyer sees this as well. The PSA's seem to still be rising for the card.

Here's a BGS 9.5 to compare to the three raw copies above and what to look for listed below.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHAEL-JOR...oAAOSwe9xfMbuo

Most bad fakes look like someone just cropped roughly 1/8" off of all four edges and you should be able to see the results by looking at:
1. The positioning of the BB box top right corner relative to the top edge. Bad fakes have part of that box corner missing where legit copies have white visible on the BB between box corner and top edge of card.
2. The sky visible between the right side of BB and right edge of card. Bad fakes have no blue showing,legit copies do right near top right corner of card.
3. The right BB pole and where the crossbar sits relative to the right edge of card. Fakes usually have the crossbar straight to the right edge where legit copies will have the outside of that right pole lower down on right edge of card.
4. The positioning of the buildings along the bottom edge of card,most noticeably near that bottom left corner of card. Fakes will sometimes have certain sections on a few buildings entirely missing. Also the Nike Logo and where its positioned relative to the bottom edge of card.
5. On back, fakes will sometimes have MICHEL instead of Michael.
6. For more clues from the back scroll to the 12:16 mark on this youtube video that Illustrious posted above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv5werEuC4
You can see that the fake is yellowish and has that extra line over the Michel Jordan name. NOTE: you might find legit copies that have been yellowed over the years.

That all being said,with the level of sophistication in how we're seeing all types of Refractors,PMG's,Rubies,Embossed and many other styles of rare cards that have been repeatedly counterfeited over the years, that Jordan 1985 Nike 3x5 Promo has to be pretty easy to duplicate now which is why I originally said I'd personally stay far away from this card. Having one sitting in a one TPG slab or another regardless of grade really doesn't guarantee that it will be real. Hope this all helps.

[tripncards]

Originally Posted by Erikthredd

Here's a BGS 9.5 to compare to the three raw copies above and what to look for listed below.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHAEL-JOR...oAAOSwe9xfMbuo

Most bad fakes look like someone just cropped roughly 1/8" off of all four edges and you should be able to see the results by looking at:
1. The positioning of the BB box top right corner relative to the top edge. Bad fakes have part of that box corner missing where legit copies have white visible on the BB between box corner and top edge of card.
2. The sky visible between the right side of BB and right edge of card. Bad fakes have no blue showing,legit copies do right near top right corner of card.
3. The right BB pole and where the crossbar sits relative to the right edge of card. Fakes usually have the crossbar straight to the right edge where legit copies will have the outside of that right pole lower down on right edge of card.
4. The positioning of the buildings along the bottom edge of card,most noticeably near that bottom left corner of card. Fakes will sometimes have certain sections on a few buildings entirely missing. Also the Nike Logo and where its positioned relative to the bottom edge of card.
5. On back, fakes will sometimes have MICHEL instead of Michael.
6. For more clues from the back scroll to the 12:16 mark on this youtube video that Illustrious posted above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv5werEuC4
You can see that the fake is yellowish and has that extra line over the Michel Jordan name. NOTE: you might find legit copies that have been yellowed over the years.

That all being said,with the level of sophistication in how we're seeing all types of Refractors,PMG's,Rubies,Embossed and many other styles of rare cards that have been repeatedly counterfeited over the years, that Jordan 1985 Nike 3x5 Promo has to be pretty easy to duplicate now which is why I originally said I'd personally stay far away from this card. Having one sitting in a one TPG slab or another regardless of grade really doesn't guarantee that it will be real. Hope this all helps.

Damn. I see the differences. Wow.

[gottagitdemjs]

Originally Posted by Erikthredd

If someone still wants one of his cards with this iconic image but doesn't want to chance owning a fake there's also the 1985 6x8 Promo that PSA/BGS still grades.


And also the 5x7 1983-85 Nike Poster Card that PSA/BGS both grades.

These two are both extremely rare compared to the 1985 3x5 Promo and I have never read anything about either having fakes out there. For comparison, PSA has graded over 2400+ of the Nike 3x5 cards but just a total of 24 of the 5x7 Nike Poster cards.

Not sure about PSA, but BGS has also started grading the Shoe Hangtag. These are as rare as hens teeth, especially with the complete un-torn eyelet. Here is mine. I bought it about 10 years ago. I keep it with my OG I's (note the yellow receipt from the local auction house where I won them for $40!).





Also, here is my BGS 9.5 of the poster card. I sold this a couple years ago. Way too early. Wish I had it back.

[Erikthredd]

Originally Posted by gottagitdemjs

Not sure about PSA, but BGS has also started grading the Shoe Hangtag. These are as rare as hens teeth, especially with the complete un-torn eyelet. Here is mine. I bought it about 10 years ago. I keep it with my OG I's (note the yellow receipt from the local auction house where I won them for $40!).





Also, here is my BGS 9.5 of the poster card. I sold this a couple years ago. Way too early. Wish I had it back.

Good stuff! Those original shoe tags are definitely a tough find these days and yours looks real good. Buyers have to be aware of fakes for those too though but I'm not sure if these copies fold open like yours: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Air-Jordan-...5/264768013906
That's incredible that you got that OG pair for $40 too. Don't feel too bad about the 9.5 Poster card,we've all sold off something at some point that we wish we had back. I plan on subbing my card soon and I'm likely looking at somewhere in the BGS 8-9 range.

[tripncards]

Originally Posted by gottagitdemjs

Not sure about PSA, but BGS has also started grading the Shoe Hangtag. These are as rare as hens teeth, especially with the complete un-torn eyelet. Here is mine. I bought it about 10 years ago. I keep it with my OG I's (note the yellow receipt from the local auction house where I won them for $40!).





Also, here is my BGS 9.5 of the poster card. I sold this a couple years ago. Way too early. Wish I had it back.

Very cool collection & thanks for sharing.

[prankster]

Originally Posted by heatdawg

Just like the star, too many counterfeits, even graded. Best measure is to just stay away. Too many nice cards to collect to go after counterfeits.

Where is the evidence to support these comments? An expert on Star cards - I believe his name is Steve Taft - has refuted the idea that the counterfeits fool professional graders. I assume you are similarly speculating about the Nike cards making it to BGS or PSA slabs.