Philip Rivers announces his retirement - Page 2

BostonNut · 01-20-2021, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

Ben should retire, I also wonder if Brady might retire if he wins the Bowl this year.

Nope, already committed to coming back.

Philly earned my respect when he nearly won the 2007 AFCCG on one leg while Tomlinson pouted on the bench.

49erRCCollector · 01-20-2021, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Strange how the team went from going undefeated 2/3 into the season to people wanting him to retire. He had a pretty good season I thought. Minus the last game of their season. I didn't watch many of their games so the stats might not reflect his play accurately. From what I saw they needed a running game.

I think Ben can still play. 100%. It’s not that. I think his desire has waned, and for his sake he should hang it up. He’s got nothing to prove. I’m a fan.

49erRCCollector · 01-20-2021, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

Nope, already committed to coming back.

Philly earned my respect when he nearly won the 2007 AFCCG on one leg while Tomlinson pouted on the bench.

Truth. It’s the one moment I respect him for. It’s also why I don’t respect Tomlinson. That, and his post game temper tantrum after that 14-2 team lost to the Pats.

sethc1020 · 01-20-2021, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Soxrule111

99% Watson is gone. It will be the BEST move the Texans have made in years. Whoever trades for Watson will regret that deal for a decade.

As for Colts QB, I honestly could see Trubisky going. They have a good oline, good rbs, young wrs and TY. Good defense. A mobile qb like mitch could really blend it all. I dont see 4500/35tds, but I could see 12-4 3800 passing, 650 rushing from Mitch in Indy.

Wait a second, you're saying that getting rid of Watson will be the best move the Texans have made in years???? Getting rid of a top 5-10 in the prime of his career???? WOW, now thats a hot take!

BGT Masters · 01-20-2021, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

Nope, already committed to coming back.

Philly earned my respect when he nearly won the 2007 AFCCG on one leg while Tomlinson pouted on the bench.

Yuck. To think I actually cheered for him early on in his career. I rooted for him to win his first super bowl. Just retire already Tom and take Gronk, Belichick and Edelman with you.

Dallas Cowboys · 01-20-2021, 01:22 PM

Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV?
Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era.
I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.

no10pin · 01-20-2021, 01:26 PM

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asujbl · 01-20-2021, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV?
Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era.
I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.

You’re wrong

But it was a nice post

jplarson · 01-20-2021, 01:32 PM

The QBs of 20 years ago who were accumulators were Kerry Collins and Vinny Testaverde. I think Rivers is more than a stats accumulator and better than most of his generation than Collins/Testaverde were of theirs. He's in the HOF but with Brees retiring this year, Rivers gets to bide his time behind ol Drew yet again.

no10pin · 01-20-2021, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV?
Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era.
I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.

He's going to go in eventually in my opinion. I never got excited to watch him play, but that's not a requirement for the HOF.

BGT Masters · 01-20-2021, 01:54 PM

To think the top three QBs taken in the NFL draft in 2004 are all going to be HOFers and Buffalo has two first round picks and ends up with Lee Evans and Just Pathetic Loss Man.

2010GBPackers · 01-20-2021, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV?
Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era.
I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.

The more I thought about it, the more I have to go with a "No" on the HOF for Rivers. Saying he's #(X) in passing yards, or completions, or TD's is not relevant to me; like you said, he put up a bunch of those numbers in an era that was very friendly to a QB (though to be fair, the crazy pass-happy NFL didn't really start until 2014). Here's the real reason it's a no-go for me:

0 - Super Bowl appearances
1 - AFC Championship appearance
0 - All Pro nominations (1st or 2nd Team)
0 - MVP's (4 total votes combined - (2) in '08 and (2) in '09)
8 - Pro Bowls, but these have been devalued this past decade

I'm just not seeing it.

gorillaz · 01-20-2021, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

If both retire, it will really be the changing of the guard for QBs in the league. This would be the prominent names of QBs before the 2012 draft class.

2005 Rodgers (I can Smith retiring as well, maybe?)
2006 none
2007 none
2008 Matt Ryan (Flacco around as a backup)
2009 Stafford
2010 none
2011 Cam Newton and Dalton - both look like backups now.
Old man Fitzpatrick as well.

The league is full of young QBs now. I think the way offenses are ran with RPOs and more running QBs, it will be a position of higher turnover going forward.

2012 currently has Tannehill and Wilson. Foles is a backup and RG3 just got waived.

Ray27Ray52 · 01-20-2021, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

The more I thought about it, the more I have to go with a "No" on the HOF for Rivers. Saying he's #(X) in passing yards, or completions, or TD's is not relevant to me; like you said, he put up a bunch of those numbers in an era that was very friendly to a QB (though to be fair, the crazy pass-happy NFL didn't really start until 2014). Here's the real reason it's a no-go for me:

0 - Super Bowl appearances
1 - AFC Championship appearance
0 - All Pro nominations (1st or 2nd Team)
0 - MVP's (4 total votes combined - (2) in '08 and (2) in '09)
8 - Pro Bowls, but these have been devalued this past decade

I'm just not seeing it.

I don't see it either but it's not because of the numbers. It's that when you watched him play you didn't see a HOF'er. You didn't see someone who could take over a game and toy with his opponents. But it doesn't matter. He's going in. Depending on the class it could even be first ballot. It's inevitable.

Scottish Punk · 01-20-2021, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gorillaz

2012 currently has Tannehill and Wilson. Foles is a backup and RG3 just got waived.

and Kirk Cousins.
Yes, you go a bit further 2013 has nobody, 2014 is down to Bridgewater and Carr and 2015 is Mariotta and Winston.

I stopped at 2012 since it was a pretty good QB draft, would have been really good if not for Luck's injuries.

mike1498 · 01-20-2021, 02:10 PM

How many HOFs have never gotten an All pro?

2010GBPackers · 01-20-2021, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1498

How many HOFs have never gotten an All pro?

Not sure but my man Leroy Butler is a HOF finalist for the second year this year and he has:

2 - SB appearances
1 - SB ring
3 - NFC Championship appearances
4 - All-Pro 1st Teams (not sure how many 2nd Teams)
4 - Pro Bowls

and...is on the NFL's All-Decade Team of the 1990's

RW3FAN · 01-20-2021, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV?
Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era.
I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.

Buzz Lightyear always made me yawn. Hall of BORING.

BGT Masters · 01-20-2021, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1498

How many HOFs have never gotten an All pro?

I can't imagine Troy Aikman ever getting an All Pro he was actually pretty blah his entire career. Minus winning all them super bowls.

no10pin · 01-20-2021, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1498

How many HOFs have never gotten an All pro?

QB-wise:

Aikman
Elway
Moon
Staubach

asujbl · 01-20-2021, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

QB-wise:

Aikman
Elway
Moon
Staubach

Moon was 1st team in 1990
Elway was 1st team in 1987
Staubach was 2nd team in 1971

What are you talking about?

no10pin · 01-20-2021, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Moon was 1st team in 1990
Elway was 1st team in 1987
Staubach was 2nd team in 1971

What are you talking about?

I was using PFR, they don't show those guys as having a 1st-team All-Pro. I wasn't looking for 2nd team.

I went to individual stats where they have designations for 1st team, but it doesn't appear to match the all-pro lists. Not sure why, my bad.

asujbl · 01-20-2021, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

I was using PFR, they don't show those guys as having a 1st-team All-Pro. I wasn't looking for 2nd team.

Why wouldn't you be looking for 2nd team?

His question was because Rivers has never been on any

no10pin · 01-20-2021, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Why wouldn't you be looking for 2nd team?

His question was because Rivers has never been on any

LOL, what I looked at was wrong. My bad. Again.

elee712 · 01-20-2021, 03:00 PM

I imagine it will be Eason. Protect him and he will be good

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01-20-2021, 01:22 PM	#31
Dallas Cowboys Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Amarillo, Texas Posts: 1,088 joyboy23 legolas27	Everybody is throwing out HOF. I am not so sure. Let's just compare him to Quarterbacks of his era and generation. He put up big stats in the new passing era with rules designed to protect the quarterback and the receivers. Never won the big one. Is he really a HOFer? Did you really get excited because Phillip Rivers was playing on the TV? Compare him to Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and even Favre who got to play some in this new era. I would put him more in the Hall of Very Good.

01-20-2021, 01:32 PM	#34
jplarson Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 15,578	The QBs of 20 years ago who were accumulators were Kerry Collins and Vinny Testaverde. I think Rivers is more than a stats accumulator and better than most of his generation than Collins/Testaverde were of theirs. He's in the HOF but with Brees retiring this year, Rivers gets to bide his time behind ol Drew yet again.

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BGT Masters Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wellsville, New York Posts: 10,184	To think the top three QBs taken in the NFL draft in 2004 are all going to be HOFers and Buffalo has two first round picks and ends up with Lee Evans and Just Pathetic Loss Man.

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elee712 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,635 elee712	I imagine it will be Eason. Protect him and he will be good