I’m being scammed out of a $10,500 card - Page 2

schism · 07-24-2021, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

I think you're fine...just stressed over the $10K purchase. If they sent you a picture it should include the tracking number. Write it down and enter it and see where it's currently located. As mentioned above, if shipped via USPS it's the same price for anything under 4 ounces I believe. Personally... that kind of card only goes via FedEx.

Track the card on your own and once it's in PWCCs possession they will update your account in a couple days to let you know it was received. If any problems they will let you know. a few days after the card scan will be visible and it will be curated about a week later.

I'm sure you're fine.

The shipping receipt shows 0.50 oz. There is no BGS graded card in that package.

Slambonie · 07-24-2021, 09:31 PM

if you ship to PWCC so as to avoid sales tax, whats the cost to then have PWCC forward the card along to you? Or do they not do that and you have to store the card with them?

captionwanker · 07-24-2021, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Slambonie

if you ship to PWCC so as to avoid sales tax, whats the cost to then have PWCC forward the card along to you? Or do they not do that and you have to store the card with them?

shipping cost plus insured value and an archival fee of 1% of the item value, if you don't use the coupon. usually $15 for one card, something like $10k is going to be $100.

Ferg1945 · 07-24-2021, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by schism

The shipping receipt shows 0.50 oz. There is no BGS graded card in that package.

If you ship from home you can put any weight on the package that you choose.

CanadianKid · 07-24-2021, 10:23 PM

Maybe I am paranoid but notifying them a card may not actually arrive in the package seems like a good op. for a card to then truly never exist when it reaches them, jmo.

captionwanker · 07-24-2021, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianKid

Maybe I am paranoid but notifying them a card may not actually arrive in the package seems like a good op. for a card to then truly never exist when it reaches them, jmo.

op should drop the listing link. if the seller had a $10k card someone here likely knows them

CanadianKid · 07-24-2021, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by captionwanker

op should drop the listing link. if the seller had a $10k card someone here likely knows them

Very true.

dictoresno · 07-24-2021, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

If you ship from home you can put any weight on the package that you choose.

sure, however he said shipping receipt. by that I assume he means the actual USPS receipt that the teller prints out after weighing it themselves upon scanning. even though I put 4 oz on my shipping label, most of my single packages weigh on the receipt way under that.

auctionjmm · 07-24-2021, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmel323

I got a similar situation. Bought a $450 card and is going directly to pwcc vault. Seller was giving me a lot of excuses regarding my address. "Name in my address is to long and cant print the label" "Name should be 40 characters or less"
Back and forth its 13 days since i paid and still hasnt shipped the card. Today i made a item not received request and he immediately added the tracking#
The problem is i cant close the case until its logged in my pwcc vault ....but by that time the case will be closed.
Another weird thing is the seller is from illinois but the tracking says the label was printed in florida.

He isn't lying. I've been unable to print labels for this reason and the only work around is to edit the shipping address, which then voids seller protection. I've definitely cancelled items for the address not being able to print.

auctionjmm · 07-24-2021, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Honestly if I were the seller, I would never ship to an address not affiliated with the buyer account that I am supposed to ship it to.

Seller sounds shady, but still, my cards are going to the address on the paypal payment.

You still get Paypal payments? I thought everyone was on Managed Payments now?

Anyway, TONS of buyers are registering on eBay now using a COMC, PWCC, or ShipMyCards address. I would guess 1 in 3 packages I ship goes to one of those. BUT they are confirmed addresses by eBay so I am in the clear (and you would be too). Point being you can't exclude these people and stay in business. I'd lose a third of my business if I cancelled every order not going directly to the buyer.

Spacemanspif · 07-24-2021, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

If you ship from home you can put any weight on the package that you choose.

They’re talking about the receipt though, that should show the true weight when the PO accepts it from you. 0.5 oz is way too little, I agree

Spacemanspif · 07-24-2021, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

You still get Paypal payments? I thought everyone was on Managed Payments now?

Anyway, TONS of buyers are registering on eBay now using a COMC, PWCC, or ShipMyCards address. I would guess 1 in 3 packages I ship goes to one of those. BUT they are confirmed addresses by eBay so I am in the clear (and you would be too). Point being you can't exclude these people and stay in business. I'd lose a third of my business if I cancelled every order not going directly to the buyer.

Yeah I don’t understand the arguments against shipping to PWCC or shipmycards. As long as it is the listed eBay address, you HAVE to ship it there, and honestly I prefer it, because that means A) there’s no “it never arrived, my neighbor must have stole it”, B) no INAD for ungraded, and C) it generally means a buyer who knows what they’re doing and buys often, not some random flipper or kid who will want to return something if the value goes down.

I still think you’d be entitled to a return for them receiving an empty package though. I assume these places have video running in their receiving departments and would be able to prove that a package did not contain the item that was purchased. I think it was mentioned but this is a huge part of their value prop and it wouldn’t make sense for them to keep pushing it if it had this huge, potentially devastating loophole.

LoveLondon · 07-25-2021, 12:06 AM

Drop the eBay link.

JWBlue · 07-25-2021, 01:09 AM

So are shipments to PWCC covered or not?

Southpas2013 · 07-25-2021, 01:11 AM

What card is it should have been the first question ????

Randallk34 · 07-25-2021, 09:46 AM

I can't imagine buying a card of any value and never getting to see it. Seems boring. And just reading these boards I avoid pwcc like the plague

Onepocketj · 07-25-2021, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JWBlue

So are shipments to PWCC covered or not?

Why wouldn't they be? That's the registered address. If you didn't ship it to that address, you wouldn't be covered...

GOATcollector · 07-25-2021, 10:25 AM

Before this seller gets publicly tried, found guilty, and publicly executed (seems we are halfway there) I think it would be wise to await delivery and opening of the package. Seems the combination of an expensive card and delay in shipping is creating a lot of seemingly unnecessary anxiety. Wait and see what is in the box.

Slambonie · 07-25-2021, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATcollector

Before this seller gets publicly tried, found guilty, and publicly executed (seems we are halfway there) I think it would be wise to await delivery and opening of the package. Seems the combination of an expensive card and delay in shipping is creating a lot of seemingly unnecessary anxiety. Wait and see what is in the box.

rifleman69 · 07-25-2021, 10:37 AM

What is the OP hiding? Something stinks here.

JMarchand1981 · 07-25-2021, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

I thought there was some kind of loophole when sending to third parties - like, it's no longer the seller's obligation once it arrives at the third party. Could be a problem proving/arguing it was empty because of this.
Hoping for the best though..!

This is what I thought as well.

RAV2773 · 07-25-2021, 10:42 AM

Be careful when opening that box

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mcgee2134 · 07-25-2021, 02:03 PM

With PWCC when shipping a card to their vault you are supposed to log it online with a detail of the card and the tracking number. That way when the package comes in they will check that it is what it's supposed to be.

Panthersfans · 07-25-2021, 05:15 PM

Not sure if it would help on eBay but I would video the package from every direction unopened and while opening it. If you have to go to the police, this would be nice to have.

imbluestreak23 · 07-25-2021, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by auctionjmm

You still get Paypal payments? I thought everyone was on Managed Payments now?

Anyway, TONS of buyers are registering on eBay now using a COMC, PWCC, or ShipMyCards address. I would guess 1 in 3 packages I ship goes to one of those. BUT they are confirmed addresses by eBay so I am in the clear (and you would be too). Point being you can't exclude these people and stay in business. I'd lose a third of my business if I cancelled every order not going directly to the buyer.

I literally just signed up for managed payments the night of the NBA championship game as my account was frozen since I hadn't opted into the managed payments yet.

Guess that's what I get for selling 99% via consignment.

07-24-2021, 09:31 PM	#27
Slambonie Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 34	if you ship to PWCC so as to avoid sales tax, whats the cost to then have PWCC forward the card along to you? Or do they not do that and you have to store the card with them?

07-24-2021, 10:23 PM	#30
CanadianKid Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 2,127	Maybe I am paranoid but notifying them a card may not actually arrive in the package seems like a good op. for a card to then truly never exist when it reaches them, jmo.

07-25-2021, 12:06 AM	#38
LoveLondon Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 422	Drop the eBay link.

07-25-2021, 01:09 AM	#39
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,439	So are shipments to PWCC covered or not?

07-25-2021, 01:11 AM	#40
Southpas2013 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,202	What card is it should have been the first question ????

07-25-2021, 09:46 AM	#41
Randallk34 Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 2,000	I can't imagine buying a card of any value and never getting to see it. Seems boring. And just reading these boards I avoid pwcc like the plague

07-25-2021, 10:25 AM	#43
GOATcollector Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 210	Before this seller gets publicly tried, found guilty, and publicly executed (seems we are halfway there) I think it would be wise to await delivery and opening of the package. Seems the combination of an expensive card and delay in shipping is creating a lot of seemingly unnecessary anxiety. Wait and see what is in the box.

07-25-2021, 10:37 AM	#45
rifleman69 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Space Mountain Posts: 3,534	What is the OP hiding? Something stinks here.

07-25-2021, 10:42 AM	#47
RAV2773 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 4,837 baseballking973	Be careful when opening that box Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

07-25-2021, 02:03 PM	#48
mcgee2134 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 587	With PWCC when shipping a card to their vault you are supposed to log it online with a detail of the card and the tracking number. That way when the package comes in they will check that it is what it's supposed to be.

07-25-2021, 05:15 PM	#49
Panthersfans Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: NC, USA. Posts: 1,051 Kkirks496p	Not sure if it would help on eBay but I would video the package from every direction unopened and while opening it. If you have to go to the police, this would be nice to have.