Why the importance on staying with the same team? - Page 2

Stifle · 03-30-2022, 09:10 PM

It’s a good thing as long as that player / team is able to achieve Post Season success. If a player like Cy Young can play for 5 different teams, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, etc.

We all appreciate a Honus Wagner, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline, etc. I believe they all won a World Series while all performing at a high level in the Series.

Astros19 · 03-30-2022, 09:23 PM

When I collect a player on the Astros, and said player moves on to a new team, his cards in my collection lose their luster.
Maybe it's just me.

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no10pin · 03-30-2022, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

So… my statement still stands on good footing? Completing a long successful career in a city can endear a player to a fan base?

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It's OK to admit you were wrong. The thread is about players who played with one team.

pewe · 03-30-2022, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

It's OK to admit you were wrong. The thread is about players who played with one team.

I agree… @TBP… ready to admit it???

Re: thread, how does it not seem relevant to observe that players who have a long successful career and retire with that team receive larger adulation than if they moonlight elsewhere for a while and then return for a final farewell year or never???

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Wolverine · 03-30-2022, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Is it an OCD thing with fans? That may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen typed on a computer

Meh, I'm ok with that. Better than wasting life racking up 50k posts, am I right?

hatchd · 03-30-2022, 10:19 PM

When your best friend gets a new job: Congratulations!
When a player on your favorite team leaves for a pay raise: #@#@#@#@ing traitor

I never got this. It's a stupid idea that harkens back to the days of yore before players had a choice on where they wanted to play. It makes no sense. If you like your team then you like your team regardless of the players. If you like the player you like him wherever he plays.

mcgoo2 · 03-30-2022, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hatchd

When your best friend gets a new job: Congratulations!
When a player on your favorite team leaves for a pay raise: #@#@#@#@ing traitor

I never got this. It's a stupid idea that harkens back to the days of yore before players had a choice on where they wanted to play. It makes no sense. If you like your team then you like your team regardless of the players. If you like the player you like him wherever he plays.

I like my team and grow attached to players as they stick with the team. I don't begrudge players for leaving teams but once they're no longer on my favorite team they lose their luster a bit. I'd imagine I'm in the majority on that.

There's no comparing the relationship of a fan and athlete to two friends, completely different worlds.

rms13 · 03-30-2022, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

I agree… @TBP… ready to admit it???

Re: thread, how does it not seem relevant to observe that players who have a long successful career and retire with that team receive larger adulation than if they moonlight elsewhere for a while and then return for a final farewell year or never???

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It’s fine to do but it’s also fine that most here seem to disagree. I think it’s more accurate that people identify players with the teams they had their best seasons with. I started watching baseball in the 80s which was already well into free agency and player movement era. Most of the legends who I actually saw play from the beginning of their careers played for more than one team and a lot had significant success with multiple teams. Griffey, Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, Henderson, Molitor, Gooden, Eckersly, Ichirio, Reggie, Ryan, Pujols, etc etc. Many more from the past 40 years that are were the best players of their generations and there are only a handful that played with the same team their entire career and I don’t give them extra credit for it. I’m not a Mariners fan but for example I don’t think Edgar Martinez is on the same level as Griffey, Ichiro or Randy Johnson and I certainly don’t think he’s more of a legend because he played with one team.

rwperu34 · 03-30-2022, 11:35 PM

Brand.

ewokpelts · 03-31-2022, 12:13 AM

People assumed loyalty, but it was the reserve clause.

rats60 · 03-31-2022, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by doowopbruce

Babe Ruth played for 4 different teams. If it's good for the Babe it's okay with me.

What was the 4th team?

pewe · 03-31-2022, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rms13

I’m not a Mariners fan but for example I don’t think Edgar Martinez is on the same level as Griffey, Ichiro or Randy Johnson and I certainly don’t think he’s more of a legend because he played with one team.

Edgar is a great example.

Having grown up an M’s fan, and watching that team through Edgar’s tenure, I’d say he’s a hometown favorite. And from that era, probably one of the top couple loved players for Seattlites. Maybe not quite Griffey, but darn close.

Had he roamed to multiple teams would he have even less love?

He might be a perfect example of a player that would be more forgettable if he hadn’t built a strong hometown attachment like he has.

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wood minis · 03-31-2022, 06:24 AM

Ryan Zimmerman is a good example of a player whose legacy benefits from staying with one team.

Raleigh504 · 03-31-2022, 07:42 AM

It helps their legacy especially if they are able to lead/help their team to the World Series.

Also now it really depends on who drafts you too. If it is a small market, most likely they will end up leaving unless they perhaps grew up in the area and just don't want change (Joe Mauer). In other sports, especially football, there is a level playing field for salary so it mainly comes down to flexibility and if both sides want each other. MLB is a different beast since a lot of teams don't want to spend money and if they do then they are hoping for a championship soon.

I don't fault players for leaving, just part of the business. Plus some guys are traded vs. leaving during Free Agency so in reality it wasn't them that left but the team not wanting them (or can't resign them).

Wolverine · 03-31-2022, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

What was the 4th team?

I assumed he meant Dodgers but iirc he was only a base coach for a short time.

Silent George · 03-31-2022, 08:48 AM

When you play with one team, you become the face of that team over an era, and you have the backing of an entire fanbase who are loyal to you and think of you as a "true _____"

It's not even a case of one team persay, as much as it is one team where you found your success for a prolonged period of time. Cubs fans take ownership of Ryne Sandberg regardless of his Phillies beginnings, for example. No one remembers him as a Phillies player, and most importantly he didn't break his perceived loyalty to the fans by leaving the Cubs as a free agent.

That's completely different from a Gary Sheffield who was a HOF level, but surly presence on 8 different teams. He has very little fanbase backing him from an loyalty standpoint.

Silent George · 03-31-2022, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Stifle

It’s a good thing as long as that player / team is able to achieve Post Season success. If a player like Cy Young can play for 5 different teams, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, etc.

We all appreciate a Honus Wagner, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline, etc. I believe they all won a World Series while all performing at a high level in the Series.

Honus played for 2 teams.

ewokpelts · 03-31-2022, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Raleigh504

It helps their legacy especially if they are able to lead/help their team to the World Series.

Also now it really depends on who drafts you too. If it is a small market, most likely they will end up leaving unless they perhaps grew up in the area and just don't want change (Joe Mauer). In other sports, especially football, there is a level playing field for salary so it mainly comes down to flexibility and if both sides want each other. MLB is a different beast since a lot of teams don't want to spend money and if they do then they are hoping for a championship soon.

I don't fault players for leaving, just part of the business. Plus some guys are traded vs. leaving during Free Agency so in reality it wasn't them that left but the team not wanting them (or can't resign them).

joe Mauer also got a massive contract ahead of free agency to stay. Plenty of big market clubs wanted a catcher that can hit.

fulltritty · 03-31-2022, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Astros19

When I collect a player on the Astros, and said player moves on to a new team, his cards in my collection lose their luster.
Maybe it's just me.

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Same with me for Yankees unless they were a player I really liked. If not, they get relegated to one of 7 "past Yankees" binders and rarely do I purchase another card of them; even older Yankees cards.

no10pin · 03-31-2022, 09:30 AM

If you are a fan of a particular player and not a team, it probably doesn't matter to you, but fans of teams don't want to see their favorite players in new uniforms.

I don't collect former Royals/Chiefs in their new uniforms, and my collecting definitely slows down once they are gone.

Slette · 03-31-2022, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pewe

He completed a long successful career in Minnesota???

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ScooterD · 03-31-2022, 10:12 AM

When I visited the HOF, I got into a conversation with a man who worked as an usher for over 30 years. Pertinent to this thread, he told me that the most populated induction ceremonies were Ripken, Brett, Brooks Robinson, and Ozzie Smith. Seeing that those guys all had one-team careers, there might be something to it

Silent George · 03-31-2022, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

When I visited the HOF, I got into a conversation with a man who worked as an usher for over 30 years. Pertinent to this thread, he told me that the most populated induction ceremonies were Ripken, Brett, Brooks Robinson, and Ozzie Smith. Seeing that those guys all had one-team careers, there might be something to it

Ozzie was a Padre for 4 years, and famously resisted a trade to the Cardinals for months before approving it.

soey10 · 03-31-2022, 11:09 AM

I have two separate takes on this, one is from a baseball standpoint and the other is from a baseball card collector standpoint.

As a fan I watch and root for the Yankees, if a player leaves I will get over it and another player will fill that player's spot. Depending on how long the player has been there may hurt a little more, but I get over it. The one thing that sucks a little is buying a jersey to wear of a player and then the player is no longer with the team, then I feel a little weird wearing the jersey of the player while they are still an active player, once they retired it gets a little easier to wear.

If I am a player collector and that player leaves then I may or may not collect them in their new uniform, depending on how long the player has been on the said team. If I am a team collector then it really doesn't matter, I will collect whoever is on the said team while they play with that team.

thewild3 · 03-31-2022, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Sometimes a player moving around a lot makes him seem disloyal or greedy.

Like LeBron James

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no10pin Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 16,826 no10pin no10pin	If you are a fan of a particular player and not a team, it probably doesn't matter to you, but fans of teams don't want to see their favorite players in new uniforms. I don't collect former Royals/Chiefs in their new uniforms, and my collecting definitely slows down once they are gone. __________________ Always looking for more George Brett stuff. Need more rookies, low numbered inserts/parallels and on-card autos (no Panini).

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Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,337 Stifle	It’s a good thing as long as that player / team is able to achieve Post Season success. If a player like Cy Young can play for 5 different teams, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, etc. We all appreciate a Honus Wagner, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline, etc. I believe they all won a World Series while all performing at a high level in the Series.

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Astros19 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 5,994	When I collect a player on the Astros, and said player moves on to a new team, his cards in my collection lose their luster. Maybe it's just me. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

03-30-2022, 10:19 PM	#31
hatchd Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,692	When your best friend gets a new job: Congratulations! When a player on your favorite team leaves for a pay raise: #@#@#@#@ing traitor I never got this. It's a stupid idea that harkens back to the days of yore before players had a choice on where they wanted to play. It makes no sense. If you like your team then you like your team regardless of the players. If you like the player you like him wherever he plays.

03-31-2022, 12:13 AM	#35
ewokpelts Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Evergreen Park, IL Posts: 4,000 asg2003ws2005	People assumed loyalty, but it was the reserve clause.

03-31-2022, 08:48 AM	#41
Silent George Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,147	When you play with one team, you become the face of that team over an era, and you have the backing of an entire fanbase who are loyal to you and think of you as a "true _____" It's not even a case of one team persay, as much as it is one team where you found your success for a prolonged period of time. Cubs fans take ownership of Ryne Sandberg regardless of his Phillies beginnings, for example. No one remembers him as a Phillies player, and most importantly he didn't break his perceived loyalty to the fans by leaving the Cubs as a free agent. That's completely different from a Gary Sheffield who was a HOF level, but surly presence on 8 different teams. He has very little fanbase backing him from an loyalty standpoint.

03-31-2022, 10:12 AM	#47
ScooterD Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 5,264	When I visited the HOF, I got into a conversation with a man who worked as an usher for over 30 years. Pertinent to this thread, he told me that the most populated induction ceremonies were Ripken, Brett, Brooks Robinson, and Ozzie Smith. Seeing that those guys all had one-team careers, there might be something to it

03-31-2022, 11:09 AM	#49
soey10 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 1,586 Soey	I have two separate takes on this, one is from a baseball standpoint and the other is from a baseball card collector standpoint. As a fan I watch and root for the Yankees, if a player leaves I will get over it and another player will fill that player's spot. Depending on how long the player has been there may hurt a little more, but I get over it. The one thing that sucks a little is buying a jersey to wear of a player and then the player is no longer with the team, then I feel a little weird wearing the jersey of the player while they are still an active player, once they retired it gets a little easier to wear. If I am a player collector and that player leaves then I may or may not collect them in their new uniform, depending on how long the player has been on the said team. If I am a team collector then it really doesn't matter, I will collect whoever is on the said team while they play with that team.