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Old 03-30-2022, 09:10 PM   #26
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It’s a good thing as long as that player / team is able to achieve Post Season success. If a player like Cy Young can play for 5 different teams, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, etc.

We all appreciate a Honus Wagner, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline, etc. I believe they all won a World Series while all performing at a high level in the Series.
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:23 PM   #27
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When I collect a player on the Astros, and said player moves on to a new team, his cards in my collection lose their luster.
Maybe it's just me.

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Old 03-30-2022, 09:25 PM   #28
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So… my statement still stands on good footing? Completing a long successful career in a city can endear a player to a fan base?


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It's OK to admit you were wrong. The thread is about players who played with one team.
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:33 PM   #29
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It's OK to admit you were wrong. The thread is about players who played with one team.

I agree… @TBP… ready to admit it???

Re: thread, how does it not seem relevant to observe that players who have a long successful career and retire with that team receive larger adulation than if they moonlight elsewhere for a while and then return for a final farewell year or never???


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Old 03-30-2022, 09:57 PM   #30
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Is it an OCD thing with fans? That may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen typed on a computer
Meh, I'm ok with that. Better than wasting life racking up 50k posts, am I right?

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Old 03-30-2022, 10:19 PM   #31
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When your best friend gets a new job: Congratulations!
When a player on your favorite team leaves for a pay raise: #@#@#@#@ing traitor

I never got this. It's a stupid idea that harkens back to the days of yore before players had a choice on where they wanted to play. It makes no sense. If you like your team then you like your team regardless of the players. If you like the player you like him wherever he plays.
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Old 03-30-2022, 10:46 PM   #32
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When your best friend gets a new job: Congratulations!
When a player on your favorite team leaves for a pay raise: #@#@#@#@ing traitor

I never got this. It's a stupid idea that harkens back to the days of yore before players had a choice on where they wanted to play. It makes no sense. If you like your team then you like your team regardless of the players. If you like the player you like him wherever he plays.
I like my team and grow attached to players as they stick with the team. I don't begrudge players for leaving teams but once they're no longer on my favorite team they lose their luster a bit. I'd imagine I'm in the majority on that.

There's no comparing the relationship of a fan and athlete to two friends, completely different worlds.
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Old 03-30-2022, 11:20 PM   #33
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I agree… @TBP… ready to admit it???

Re: thread, how does it not seem relevant to observe that players who have a long successful career and retire with that team receive larger adulation than if they moonlight elsewhere for a while and then return for a final farewell year or never???


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It’s fine to do but it’s also fine that most here seem to disagree. I think it’s more accurate that people identify players with the teams they had their best seasons with. I started watching baseball in the 80s which was already well into free agency and player movement era. Most of the legends who I actually saw play from the beginning of their careers played for more than one team and a lot had significant success with multiple teams. Griffey, Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, Henderson, Molitor, Gooden, Eckersly, Ichirio, Reggie, Ryan, Pujols, etc etc. Many more from the past 40 years that are were the best players of their generations and there are only a handful that played with the same team their entire career and I don’t give them extra credit for it. I’m not a Mariners fan but for example I don’t think Edgar Martinez is on the same level as Griffey, Ichiro or Randy Johnson and I certainly don’t think he’s more of a legend because he played with one team.
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Old 03-30-2022, 11:35 PM   #34
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Old 03-31-2022, 12:13 AM   #35
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People assumed loyalty, but it was the reserve clause.
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Old 03-31-2022, 12:58 AM   #36
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Babe Ruth played for 4 different teams. If it's good for the Babe it's okay with me.
What was the 4th team?
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Old 03-31-2022, 06:12 AM   #37
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I’m not a Mariners fan but for example I don’t think Edgar Martinez is on the same level as Griffey, Ichiro or Randy Johnson and I certainly don’t think he’s more of a legend because he played with one team.
Edgar is a great example.

Having grown up an M’s fan, and watching that team through Edgar’s tenure, I’d say he’s a hometown favorite. And from that era, probably one of the top couple loved players for Seattlites. Maybe not quite Griffey, but darn close.

Had he roamed to multiple teams would he have even less love?

He might be a perfect example of a player that would be more forgettable if he hadn’t built a strong hometown attachment like he has.


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Old 03-31-2022, 06:24 AM   #38
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Ryan Zimmerman is a good example of a player whose legacy benefits from staying with one team.
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Old 03-31-2022, 07:42 AM   #39
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It helps their legacy especially if they are able to lead/help their team to the World Series.

Also now it really depends on who drafts you too. If it is a small market, most likely they will end up leaving unless they perhaps grew up in the area and just don't want change (Joe Mauer). In other sports, especially football, there is a level playing field for salary so it mainly comes down to flexibility and if both sides want each other. MLB is a different beast since a lot of teams don't want to spend money and if they do then they are hoping for a championship soon.

I don't fault players for leaving, just part of the business. Plus some guys are traded vs. leaving during Free Agency so in reality it wasn't them that left but the team not wanting them (or can't resign them).
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Old 03-31-2022, 08:18 AM   #40
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What was the 4th team?
I assumed he meant Dodgers but iirc he was only a base coach for a short time.

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Old 03-31-2022, 08:48 AM   #41
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When you play with one team, you become the face of that team over an era, and you have the backing of an entire fanbase who are loyal to you and think of you as a "true _____"

It's not even a case of one team persay, as much as it is one team where you found your success for a prolonged period of time. Cubs fans take ownership of Ryne Sandberg regardless of his Phillies beginnings, for example. No one remembers him as a Phillies player, and most importantly he didn't break his perceived loyalty to the fans by leaving the Cubs as a free agent.

That's completely different from a Gary Sheffield who was a HOF level, but surly presence on 8 different teams. He has very little fanbase backing him from an loyalty standpoint.
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Old 03-31-2022, 08:51 AM   #42
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It’s a good thing as long as that player / team is able to achieve Post Season success. If a player like Cy Young can play for 5 different teams, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, etc.

We all appreciate a Honus Wagner, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline, etc. I believe they all won a World Series while all performing at a high level in the Series.
Honus played for 2 teams.
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Old 03-31-2022, 08:56 AM   #43
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It helps their legacy especially if they are able to lead/help their team to the World Series.

Also now it really depends on who drafts you too. If it is a small market, most likely they will end up leaving unless they perhaps grew up in the area and just don't want change (Joe Mauer). In other sports, especially football, there is a level playing field for salary so it mainly comes down to flexibility and if both sides want each other. MLB is a different beast since a lot of teams don't want to spend money and if they do then they are hoping for a championship soon.

I don't fault players for leaving, just part of the business. Plus some guys are traded vs. leaving during Free Agency so in reality it wasn't them that left but the team not wanting them (or can't resign them).
joe Mauer also got a massive contract ahead of free agency to stay. Plenty of big market clubs wanted a catcher that can hit.
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Old 03-31-2022, 09:26 AM   #44
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When I collect a player on the Astros, and said player moves on to a new team, his cards in my collection lose their luster.
Maybe it's just me.

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Same with me for Yankees unless they were a player I really liked. If not, they get relegated to one of 7 "past Yankees" binders and rarely do I purchase another card of them; even older Yankees cards.
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Old 03-31-2022, 09:30 AM   #45
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If you are a fan of a particular player and not a team, it probably doesn't matter to you, but fans of teams don't want to see their favorite players in new uniforms.

I don't collect former Royals/Chiefs in their new uniforms, and my collecting definitely slows down once they are gone.
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Old 03-31-2022, 09:41 AM   #46
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He completed a long successful career in Minnesota???


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Old 03-31-2022, 10:12 AM   #47
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When I visited the HOF, I got into a conversation with a man who worked as an usher for over 30 years. Pertinent to this thread, he told me that the most populated induction ceremonies were Ripken, Brett, Brooks Robinson, and Ozzie Smith. Seeing that those guys all had one-team careers, there might be something to it
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Old 03-31-2022, 10:42 AM   #48
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When I visited the HOF, I got into a conversation with a man who worked as an usher for over 30 years. Pertinent to this thread, he told me that the most populated induction ceremonies were Ripken, Brett, Brooks Robinson, and Ozzie Smith. Seeing that those guys all had one-team careers, there might be something to it
Ozzie was a Padre for 4 years, and famously resisted a trade to the Cardinals for months before approving it.
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Old 03-31-2022, 11:09 AM   #49
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I have two separate takes on this, one is from a baseball standpoint and the other is from a baseball card collector standpoint.

As a fan I watch and root for the Yankees, if a player leaves I will get over it and another player will fill that player's spot. Depending on how long the player has been there may hurt a little more, but I get over it. The one thing that sucks a little is buying a jersey to wear of a player and then the player is no longer with the team, then I feel a little weird wearing the jersey of the player while they are still an active player, once they retired it gets a little easier to wear.

If I am a player collector and that player leaves then I may or may not collect them in their new uniform, depending on how long the player has been on the said team. If I am a team collector then it really doesn't matter, I will collect whoever is on the said team while they play with that team.
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Old 03-31-2022, 11:11 AM   #50
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Sometimes a player moving around a lot makes him seem disloyal or greedy.
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