Do Overpriced or Overhyped Players Bother You?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by whitmm

My enjoyment comes from the process of completing the set, from the opening packs to the organization and collating. It's not from the finished product.

understandable.

do you absolutely HAVE TO make whatever set it is you are building the year it is relased?

as time goes by, most of the mid releases that topps has released since the pandemic seems to have dropped in wax form

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

understandable.

do you absolutely HAVE TO make whatever set it is you are building the year it is relased?

as time goes by, most of the mid releases that topps has released since the pandemic seems to have dropped in wax form

No, nobody HAS TO do anything. But it's annoying when you can't enjoy current products because the overhyped players have jacked the prices.

It still all goes back to the fact that the overhyped players and overpriced players raise the cost of everything.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by whitmm

No, nobody HAS TO do anything. But it's annoying when you can't enjoy current products because the overhyped players have jacked the prices.

It still all goes back to the fact that the overhyped players and overpriced players raise the cost of everything.

for sure, but its going to be some time before breakers are gone from the business of supplying the gambling addicts

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

for sure, but its going to be some time before breakers are gone from the business of supplying the gambling addicts

Right. Which is why we all secretly root for every prospect to fail, to speed up the process

It's certainly made me change my habits some, finding more enjoyment in the minor league products.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Are you denying that there’s any correlation between the price of singles and the price of wax? Do you not think that outrageous prospect/rookie prices leads to outrageous wax prices? Further, do you not think that player pricing is all relative? That even if I’m not interested in player X, he might lead to irrational pricing of player Y, who I am interested in?

All of these young players are being priced to perfection. The reality is that only a small handful will be hobby relevant a few years from now, and most will never be more expensive than they are today.

1. I don’t deny the correlation. If the companies use player X to set wax prices to high for product A, which also includes player Y (who I want to collect), I buy singles of player Y. Again, the company is the villain setting the prices… they are just using player X for justification. It’s like blaming cows for tasting delicious or people who like steak for the restaurant’s pricing of a filet.

2. Agree - see response #1

3. A relative and irrational bump MAY occur with player Y downstream from what’s going on with player X. It doesn’t happen with 100% certainty, and if player Y is impacted, then the buyer has to decide if the choice to purchase still makes sense to them. We’ve been in this hobby a long time and have pivoted at certain points for different reasons.

4. Agree with the whole last paragraph 100%

It’s not that I disagree with many (or really any) of the reasoning for the frustration or anger… I just don’t understand why the anger is focused on certain players and their fans/collectors.

Hate the card companies and how/why they price things - I get that.
Hate the concepts that we agree on above - I get that.
I don’t understand a person trashing a player that they don’t collect and ridiculing that player’s fans for the POSSIBLE downstream impact of a decision that neither player X nor their fans/collectors have made.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Hate the card companies and how/why they price things - I get that.
Hate the concepts that we agree on above - I get that.
I don’t understand a person trashing a player that they don’t collect and ridiculing that player’s fans for the POSSIBLE downstream impact of a decision that neither player X nor their fans/collectors have made.

Which player threads does this occur in?

[supercollector2]

people will get mad over anything, really.

[WallyatJCCards]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Some of it can be very obnoxious (see what's going on in the Brock Purdy thread now)

People love him or hate him?

[RedLabelRecords]

Overpriced hobby boxes upset me

[Hollywood42]

Doesn't bother me at all, until I want cards of that guy

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

1. I don’t deny the correlation. If the companies use player X to set wax prices to high for product A, which also includes player Y (who I want to collect), I buy singles of player Y. Again, the company is the villain setting the prices… they are just using player X for justification. It’s like blaming cows for tasting delicious or people who like steak for the restaurant’s pricing of a filet.

2. Agree - see response #1

3. A relative and irrational bump MAY occur with player Y downstream from what’s going on with player X. It doesn’t happen with 100% certainty, and if player Y is impacted, then the buyer has to decide if the choice to purchase still makes sense to them. We’ve been in this hobby a long time and have pivoted at certain points for different reasons.

4. Agree with the whole last paragraph 100%

It’s not that I disagree with many (or really any) of the reasoning for the frustration or anger… I just don’t understand why the anger is focused on certain players and their fans/collectors.

Hate the card companies and how/why they price things - I get that.
Hate the concepts that we agree on above - I get that.
I don’t understand a person trashing a player that they don’t collect and ridiculing that player’s fans for the POSSIBLE downstream impact of a decision that neither player X nor their fans/collectors have made.

If you use Elly as an example after the Elly pump began bowman chrome prices went up an average of 20x greater than the EV Elly cards added to box prices. So if litrally any person in the world wanted to open bowman chrome for any reason they are guaranteed to take a massive bath as a result of the Elly pump.

[Bcr]

Nothing to worry about when you know that prices will come down eventually. Patience is just one of the main things most in this hobby don't have unfortunately.

[SupermanBrandon]

You're also getting a lot lower rip rates on some releases due to the price of the wax. Lower rip rates = harder to find pc cards. Harder to find pc cards = higher prices.

[towerymt]

Its a great time to collect a 1981 Topps set.

1980 & 1982 still have too much hype.

[OhioLawyerF5]

I believe the increase in costs of wax has more to do with the massive increase in people in the hobby starting in 2020 than hyped prospects. In fact, the hyped, overly expensive prospects are also the result of the huge number of people in the hobby. We hate high print runs, but there's a reason the junk wax era happened. It's called demand. We are getting back to that type of population of people in the hobby, and print runs are actually lower than back then. Which means there isn't enough supply for the demand.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

You're also getting a lot lower rip rates on some releases due to the price of the wax. Lower rip rates = harder to find pc cards. Harder to find pc cards = higher prices.

This is a huge issue also. I have 3 PC guys in update this year. Ideally I’d rip a few cases but that would be financial suicide. Imagine tons of this stuff will
Never get ripped and May never get a chance to pick up some of the higher ends stuff

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I believe the increase in costs of wax has more to do with the massive increase in people in the hobby starting in 2020 than hyped prospects. In fact, the hyped, overly expensive prospects are also the result of the huge number of people in the hobby. We hate high print runs, but there's a reason the junk wax era happened. It's called demand. We are getting back to that type of population of people in the hobby, and print runs are actually lower than back then. Which means there isn't enough supply for the demand.

I think you are right for the initial absurd prices. But if you compare the secondary prices for like 2022 bowman chrome, one hyped player can have a 50% + increase on wax prices by himself (while his actual value accounts for Maybee a 3% increase in the actual EV if the box)
22 BC is almost $200 > then 21 for example even thiugh they had similar price points at release

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

This is a huge issue also. I have 3 PC guys in update this year. Ideally I’d rip a few cases but that would be financial suicide. Imagine tons of this stuff will
Never get ripped and May never get a chance to pick up some of the higher ends stuff

If you wanna rip these days you gotta treat it like any other expense in life, not a commodity. You want to go out for a nice dinner for two? $200 with $0 return. $200 box with $40 return is the better deal

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i stopped in 2017 because i got bored.

having said that, how are the old sets doing now? ive not checked pricing

Sticking with the nautical theme, they are treading water. Some SSPs have exploded, and full refractor sets are selling well.

A 2002 THC set ended last night for like 780. Pretty decent!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by nybbfan

sticking with the nautical theme, they are treading water. Some ssps have exploded, and full refractor sets are selling well.

A 2002 thc set ended last night for like 780. Pretty decent!

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!!!!!!!

[chris_ac]

I have this debate with my father all the time. From the larger picture setup by your OP, the psychological behavior exhibited is the true question. Now the infamous quote "Don't take it personal, it's a business" could be implemented to some in this market but the endgame is amazingly never thought of since, as some pointed out already, the mass society right now is in a short tumbling cycle of amnesia beyond 1 year sometimes showing symptoms in a few months. Forget the mantra "What have you done for me lately?" Have you ever noticed the ever-cropping stat graphics of said players/teams to fit a positive narrative? Over 10 games, 7 games, last month, etc. he's been on fire! On the road, after he had a hitless game, he's bashing .500! You get the point.

Also, too many things are "unbelievable" in the media from sports to other daily events etc. I must getting to the old fart stage at age 38 to notice in regards to sports, if the record is only a few years old, it's not a earth-shattering accomplishment imho. Show me records that are going down after several decades. Then we have a better foundation.

As for the emotional response to player X when the comments typed out are from people who buy player Y, then the obliged thought comes to mind, "Haterade not only quenches your thirst better, it tastes better too." Very accurate as it affects all kinds of debates/conversations about personal/social/work/school/politics etc. of the American spectrum.

Also, imho, if a player has that amount of resentment from opposing fans, then he is probably doing something right on the field. You can always mangle the semantics of performance to demean its value but if the stats are good/great and yet has a flash mob of pitchforkers to say he stinks no matter what's really occurring (yes even in the face of hard stats which apparently can be pushed and pinched to tuck and roll), then if you are a fan of player X, then feel gratified in solace off the internet. Take it from someone who saves his breath and energy from lung disease, you never win 24/7 sports talk smack downs on the interwebs. Life has better paths, including staring at cards of player X you will gladly buy while others argue.

Cheers

[chris_ac]

Also, to add the more drilled-down hobby thought on the risk/higher costs associated with buy player X and the inflated box prices which lends to less low #'d singles to buy on the 2ndary market, that's where the endgame comes down to. What do you want from your buying endeavor? 2 outcomes simply: if he plays great and a career becomes established, are you keeping or still selling with hopeful future value? Or potential falls/fades and if you are left with a bunch of cards you do not wish to have, how upset are you pushing shear money loss to the side?

I have actually found in my experience with the tilted heavy sealed prices and the subsequent limited singles /25 or less available to find/buy, then it spaces out your budget better. You make a personal wantlist and since it could take months before you see just 1 of some cards, then you have the budget intact. As this year as rolled on, between the pull back in product opened and the singles that show up priced way beyond fair (yes subjective) the number of singles I can bid or offer that come up are just massively few and far between now. I cannot no longer spend as much as I used to so it's a blessing in that regard. My ebay watchlist can overly crickets at times. Only real detriment is could lead to impulse breaks at the said silly prices that net zero cards to sell yourself or keep. But I'm becoming numb now to the zero sum results from all breaks and now super-duper selective on that end. Simply a ebay watcher and hope I see 1 really cool low numbered PC card to add. Patience is virtue and it's the little wins that wake me up each morning and have some coffee with sports highlights and Madden gaming

[chris_ac]

Final thought to the core question about why do people throw shade at a player so much: when it is all said and done, you do you. I see it on these forums. The defense of any player in their own threads is the crusade/steel curtain. Threads created outside of those to start a grid failure should be treated as a wreck you can pass by on the highway and focus on your driving and road ahead.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Since I got here in 2016 I’ve been living in a world where I feel Mike Trout is overvalued and overhyped. So I’m used to it.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Since I got here in 2016 I’ve been living in a world where I feel Mike Trout is overvalued and overhyped. So I’m used to it.

Join Date: Jun 2020

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