Are Inserts of Rookies Considered Rookie Cards? - Page 2

asujbl · 11-07-2023, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

That would surprise me.

Because it’s insane

Stifle · 11-08-2023, 11:12 PM

By definition, no. Is the card not only valuable but desirable, extremely. If the card by the year it is produced in the players rookie season, the hobby understands that “rookie card” is more rookie season card.

graffiX · 11-09-2023, 08:23 AM

For me, it depends.

If the "RC" shield is on the card (like a Downtown) or the word "Rookie" is on the card (like The Rookies), then yeah.

fungi2510 · 11-09-2023, 08:32 AM

As many have said, it is a rookie year card, but definitely not a rookie card. Inserts definitely are not rookie cards. The only case I think could be made is if some player only had an insert and not a regular base card. The only example I can think of off the top of my head is Pat McAfee. His All-Pro card from 2015 is considered his rookie card even though anyone else in that set has a base card and then an All-Pro card.

Parallels from the base set are rookies to me. If I want a Kenny Pickett rookie card, I can get a base prizm or a silver prizm. Both to me are rookie cards. Most places agree.

mc1 · 11-09-2023, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by fungi2510

Parallels from the base set are rookies to me. If I want a Kenny Pickett rookie card, I can get a base prizm or a silver prizm. Both to me are rookie cards. Most places agree.

Its a rookie card Parallel. It is not a true base rookie card.

majestik101 · 11-09-2023, 02:37 PM

What is this considered? This card from 2014 Topps Platinum has a rookie RC designation.

Gronk was drafted in 2010 and has a Rookie Card in 2010 Topps Platinum.

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Dallas Cowboys · 11-11-2023, 09:16 AM

For my personal collection I have always considered anything that was released during a player's rookie year to be a rookie card. But the general collecting public doesn't agree with that.
There are also some great oddball stuff that I consider rookie cards that most collectors don't. 1981 Joe Montana Holsum Disc, 1976 Walter Payton Disc, 1962 Post Cereal Mike Ditka. Bob Lilly's rookie card is 1963 Topps but he had a 1962 Post card.
I even consider Tim Brown and Michael Irvin's 1989 Starting Lineup cards to be rookie cards. But like I said the general public doesn't agree. It's your collection though some you get to make the rules.

jplarson · 11-11-2023, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by majestik101

What is this considered? This card from 2014 Topps Platinum has a rookie RC designation.

Gronk was drafted in 2010 and has a Rookie Card in 2010 Topps Platinum.

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Stifle · 11-12-2023, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wubh

100% agree. Everything released during a player's first season is a rookie (year card) and everything released afterwards is not a rookie (year card)

If you really want to go into semantics, the base card from each product could be considered the one true rookie of that product. And if you're getting that specific, any parallels of that said base card may no longer be considered a 'true' rookie either.

But most collectors aren't like that.

However, they will pay 10x less for an Emergent silver compared to the base Prizm silver. Unless the player sucks and both are worth a quarter.

So congrats on pulling a sweet Patty rookie!

As long as the card was the players first produced card, nobody really cares if it’s a insert or even parallel. Parallels supposedly have been distinguished the same as a insert because the base card is suppose to be the Rookie Card, but nobody goes by that.

There are collectors that a odd ball card produced will not receive the same value as a NFL licensed card while others do. Kurt Warner comes to mind. The 84 & 85 USFL products had Hall of Famers where their values supersede that of NFL Licensed rookies. College based products / CFL / without the player ever having a NFL Licensed card or one that is produced after their playing days have value.

11-09-2023, 08:32 AM	#29
fungi2510 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 10,128 fungi2510	As many have said, it is a rookie year card, but definitely not a rookie card. Inserts definitely are not rookie cards. The only case I think could be made is if some player only had an insert and not a regular base card. The only example I can think of off the top of my head is Pat McAfee. His All-Pro card from 2015 is considered his rookie card even though anyone else in that set has a base card and then an All-Pro card. Parallels from the base set are rookies to me. If I want a Kenny Pickett rookie card, I can get a base prizm or a silver prizm. Both to me are rookie cards. Most places agree. __________________ Check Out My Cards ID = fungi2510 Check me out on Sport Lots. http://www.sportlots.com/inven/invenbin/dealerpage.tpl?dealer=dmkeil02

11-08-2023, 11:12 PM	#27
Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,647 Stifle	By definition, no. Is the card not only valuable but desirable, extremely. If the card by the year it is produced in the players rookie season, the hobby understands that “rookie card” is more rookie season card.

11-09-2023, 08:23 AM	#28
graffiX Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 325	For me, it depends. If the "RC" shield is on the card (like a Downtown) or the word "Rookie" is on the card (like The Rookies), then yeah.

11-09-2023, 02:37 PM	#31
majestik101 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 45,526 majestik101	What is this considered? This card from 2014 Topps Platinum has a rookie RC designation. Gronk was drafted in 2010 and has a Rookie Card in 2010 Topps Platinum.

11-11-2023, 09:16 AM	#32
Dallas Cowboys Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Amarillo, Texas Posts: 1,097 joyboy23 legolas27	For my personal collection I have always considered anything that was released during a player's rookie year to be a rookie card. But the general collecting public doesn't agree with that. There are also some great oddball stuff that I consider rookie cards that most collectors don't. 1981 Joe Montana Holsum Disc, 1976 Walter Payton Disc, 1962 Post Cereal Mike Ditka. Bob Lilly's rookie card is 1963 Topps but he had a 1962 Post card. I even consider Tim Brown and Michael Irvin's 1989 Starting Lineup cards to be rookie cards. But like I said the general public doesn't agree. It's your collection though some you get to make the rules.