What is the latest with Panini and their NFLPA license?

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

it did say 2022 Prizm.

I think this was for a 2016 Deforest Buckner redemption he just never signed. I think it's my last outstanding unfulfilled redemption. I had all but forgotten about it - I requested a replacement 2 years ago.

That's a heck of a deal then.

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Yes they tried - and failed.

I can't exactly say I have seen the contract between Panini and the NFL or the contract between Panini and the NFLPA but I would find it hard to believe they are not iron clad.

I mean obviously that’s the case. Doesn’t mean Fanatics isn’t going to continue to try. I would be absolutely floored if this thing goes 3 more years without drama. It might go 3 more years but it’s highly unlikely Fanatics is just going to lay down.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

That's a heck of a deal then.

Honestly, I wanted the Buckner card.

But we'll see, I guess. I'm sure there will be a gold vinyl Purdy in there.

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

What I want to know are how many chromium products are we looking at for football in the next few years?

Are we going to see Bowman Chrome, Topps Chrome, Prizm, Optic, and Select all stick around under the Fanatics license?

If only fanatics owned the old Skybox brands instead. It'd be killer to see some of those come back outside of containing Jordan golf cards or whatever other unlicensed crap UD rolls out.

[tnvolfan16]

what i cannot understand with all these license questions is how this ONIT bunch are able to use logos on their NIL sets they are producing for various schools. One would think that it would have to be a Leaf-like set, but they have school logos on them

[daveyc1]

The only Panini set I would hate to see go away when they lose the license is Contenders.

It is such a long-running legacy set from well before Panini bought the rights. I would like to see it continue.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

Might be getting a Prizm pack for an old redemption.

2022 Prizm Sparkle Pack. Going to open so I can taste disappointment for one last time in 2023.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

2022 Prizm Sparkle Pack. Going to open so I can taste disappointment for one last time in 2023.

Eh. Brady was in there, could have been worse.

[trixstar]

Some good info in this video, it's only 10 minutes long. Doesnt really mention how long this may play out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27ctqFauZso

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Eh. Brady was in there, could have been worse.

Prizm Sparkle > Mosaic Sparkle, I'd say you did well. Outside of Purdy there's not too many guys you'd rather have.

[casebreaksllc]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nflpa...001040578.html

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by casebreaksllc

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nflpa...001040578.html

I guess the contract was pretty iron clad.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by casebreaksllc

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nflpa...001040578.html

Seems like a pretty small price to pay for the rights which are probably worth way more than that

[casebreaksllc]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Seems like a pretty small price to pay for the rights which are probably worth way more than that

Panini still has the licenses until the end of the deal, this didn’t change that. This is money they have to pay Panini for trying to back out of the deal publicly.

[hairysasquatch]

Still waiting to snort coke off Panini's tombstone.

[abovethesink]

Fanatics takes over in 2026, right? Do we know if that is January 1st or if there is a specific date in the year?

With the way Fanatics is successfully delaying Panini's printing, Panini will probably just fall more and more behind. They are going to be able to print 2025 Topps Chrome Football and whatever else probably because there will still be 2025 demand since Panini will likely have gotten next to nothing out if their current pace of falling behind continues.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by abovethesink

Fanatics takes over in 2026, right? Do we know if that is January 1st or if there is a specific date in the year?

With the way Fanatics is successfully delaying Panini's printing, Panini will probably just fall more and more behind. They are going to be able to print 2025 Topps Chrome Football and whatever else probably because there will still be 2025 demand since Panini will likely have gotten next to nothing out if their current pace of falling behind continues.

And by then this will be a gamblers only business. Fanatics might have done more harm than good in trying to bully Panini out early.

[blackbears86]

stupid question for anyone who can answer:

Will we ever get a stroud auto in an NFL uniform from panini?

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by abovethesink

Fanatics takes over in 2026, right? Do we know if that is January 1st or if there is a specific date in the year?

I would guess - and please be aware this is just a guess - that the contract would line up with the NFL League year and not the calendar year.

Of course, we are not done with the legal shenanigans so who knows....

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

stupid question for anyone who can answer:

Will we ever get a stroud auto in an NFL uniform from panini?

There is one that exists but it is (rightfully) very expensive, the panini instant rps first look

Other than that unless the NFL opens up the rights to multiple companies (as they should) or Fanatics has some kind of financial catastrophe and they lose the rights, I think it's unlikely

[abovethesink]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

stupid question for anyone who can answer:

Will we ever get a stroud auto in an NFL uniform from panini?

You will be told no and that is probably correct, but truthfully we don't know the terms of their contract if I missed something. There was some speculation that it was for a year. That was either wrong (probably), or the contract was extended.

I would be surprised but not like super SHOCKED if Fanatics had him on something like a two year deal and we saw some 3rd year Panini autos. I wouldn't expect it and I certainly wouldn't bet on it, but without knowing the contract terms, it is possible.

tldr; Probably not!

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by abovethesink

Fanatics takes over in 2026, right? Do we know if that is January 1st or if there is a specific date in the year?

With the way Fanatics is successfully delaying Panini's printing, Panini will probably just fall more and more behind. They are going to be able to print 2025 Topps Chrome Football and whatever else probably because there will still be 2025 demand since Panini will likely have gotten next to nothing out if their current pace of falling behind continues.

Nobody else is mentioning this but we don't know the full terms of the Panini and NFL/NBA contracts. What if the minimum amount of products produced per class has to be met? You would think there would be something in there that would say the NFL and NBA could waive that but what if it doesn't? Panini certainly isn't going to waive the right to print at least the minimum amount of products. Theoretically, Panini could still be producing NFL and NBA products well over a year maybe 2 after the contracts end with how far behind they are getting.

[rmw10]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Nobody else is mentioning this but we don't know the full terms of the Panini and NFL/NBA contracts. What if the minimum amount of products produced per class has to be met? You would think there would be something in there that would say the NFL and NBA could waive that but what if it doesn't? Panini certainly isn't going to waive the right to print at least the minimum amount of products. Theoretically, Panini could still be producing NFL and NBA products well over a year maybe 2 after the contracts end with how far behind they are getting.

It's definitely an interesting scenario that Panini is in right now. They cannot keep up and the chances of it getting any better are slim.

My opinion is that this is Fanatics next attempt to get in early - "clearly Panini can't keep up with their releases so they aren't fit to continue" - types of things.

Obviously don't know what the contract says but I'd be surprised if Panini is still releasing once the Fanatics takeover is official. NFLPA already tried to get out from under them once, and I don't think they're going to enforce Panini continuing to release (and not even sure Panini would want to at that stage).

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by rmw10

My opinion is that this is Fanatics next attempt to get in early - "clearly Panini can't keep up with their releases so they aren't fit to continue" - types of things.

Not going to happen. The behavior of Fanatics has been monopolistic and anti-competitive. Who knows what Panini has planned, but it wouldn’t be wise for them to poke the bear any further.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Not going to happen. The behavior of Fanatics has been monopolistic and anti-competitive. Who knows what Panini has planned, but it wouldn’t be wise for them to poke the bear any further.

I would love to see Panini sue Fanatics and the NFLPA for being anti-competitive (just like I wanted someone to sue Panini for being anti-competitive). The irony is that many of Fanatics' actions are in many ways the same as what Panini has been doing the past decade or so.