PSA rejects my Adley auto - how can I get this card - Page 2

tyrith · 08-07-2024, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mc1

Graders dont deal with Research & ID or encapsulation. Those are all different stages.

Fair enough, but it's still a single person that made the determination.

mnvikingstwins · 08-07-2024, 11:31 PM

Had issues before with a UD easter egg parallel, they originally rejected it and I had to eventually get email confirmation from UD that it's a legitimate parallel then submitted research request and then it was regraded in QA2 on order it was on and future ones were graded fine

speedyjg13 · 08-08-2024, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteD

" The card you referenced in your email was graded in error " But we took you money anyway.

Welcome to the game we all play called: grading.

ScooterD · 08-09-2024, 08:55 AM

Could card companies effectively shut down TPGs by refusing to issue checklists?

bub838 · 08-09-2024, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

Could card companies effectively shut down TPGs by refusing to issue checklists?

Not sure how shutting down TPG's or no longer issuing checklists benefits card companies?

ScooterD · 08-09-2024, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bub838

Not sure how shutting down TPG's or no longer issuing checklists benefits card companies?

I agree - just asked if the reasoning of the possibility was right.

OhioLawyerF5 · 08-09-2024, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

I agree - just asked if the reasoning of the possibility was right.

I don't think not having official checklists would change grading that much. Other than force the research teams at the grading companies to stop being lazy. There are lots of vintage sets with no checklist. Yet grading companies grade them all the time. How? They have to research it (although they often rely on the research the collectors bring them, but I digress). This is one of those examples. It seems to me like Topps just mistakenly listed the parallel on the checklist as Gold Wave instead of Gold Mini Diamond. All it would take is a little market research to realize the error and fix the checklist. But the grading companies aren't interested in actually putting in work to do their jobs.

bub838 · 08-09-2024, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I don't think not having official checklists would change grading that much. Other than force the research teams at the grading companies to stop being lazy. There are lots of vintage sets with no checklist. Yet grading companies grade them all the time. How? They have to research it (although they often rely on the research the collectors bring them, but I digress). This is one of those examples. It seems to me like Topps just mistakenly listed the parallel on the checklist as Gold Wave instead of Gold Mini Diamond. All it would take is a little market research to realize the error and fix the checklist. But the grading companies aren't interested in actually putting in work to do their jobs.

T206 immediately jumps to mind. It's impossible to have a checklist for every card + variation that was produced for that set.

Archangel1775 · 08-10-2024, 12:01 AM

Not sure if it was brought up but another problem with grading cards not on official checklists are the custom autograph cards that are being churned out. We have a few artists on this site that do customs very well and could confuse both the average collector and a grader. Makes sense to me. However, I do agree that PSA should do some research themselves. Not saying they didn't in this case.

OhioLawyerF5 · 08-10-2024, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Not sure if it was brought up but another problem with grading cards not on official checklists are the custom autograph cards that are being churned out. We have a few artists on this site that do customs very well and could confuse both the average collector and a grader. Makes sense to me. However, I do agree that PSA should do some research themselves. Not saying they didn't in this case.

If the grading companies can't distinguish a counterfeit custom card from a Topps card, why do they even exist? Part of the point of grading is to detect counterfeits and authenticate cards. If all they are doing is reading a checklist to authenticate cards, they serve no purpose to the hobby. We can all look at a checklist.

KhalDrogo · 08-10-2024, 08:12 AM

What did Nat say when you messaged him?

08-10-2024, 12:01 AM	#34
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,840	Not sure if it was brought up but another problem with grading cards not on official checklists are the custom autograph cards that are being churned out. We have a few artists on this site that do customs very well and could confuse both the average collector and a grader. Makes sense to me. However, I do agree that PSA should do some research themselves. Not saying they didn't in this case. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

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mnvikingstwins Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 42,190 ski_4 ski_4	Had issues before with a UD easter egg parallel, they originally rejected it and I had to eventually get email confirmation from UD that it's a legitimate parallel then submitted research request and then it was regraded in QA2 on order it was on and future ones were graded fine

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ScooterD Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 5,297	Could card companies effectively shut down TPGs by refusing to issue checklists?