Destroyed!!! Anyone else getting obliterated on their PSA grades this month???

[salsdali]

Originally Posted by AnthonyCorona

And why I don’t understand a premium on graded cards 😂

because they are not collectors, they are gambling flippers.

The proof is that a PSA 9 is the same price as raw, meaning these people don't place any more value on a graded card vs ungraded.

They only place a value on a graded card when it's a 10 because they can make a profit on that one particular graded card.

[anusinha]

My last few ultra modern sports subs have been pretty good actually.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Because they have no standard and each grader has their own opinion, this happens frequently and why people crack and resend.

I guess the "standards" posted on PSA's site is just for looking?the problem isn't opinions its incompetency......PSA is a joke.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by anusinha

My last few ultra modern sports subs have been pretty good actually.

Yeah, I actually just got a second order of the week with 11 PSA 10s out of 50. Not great, but it sure beats the ONE PSA 10 I got from multiple orders last week. Also, the specific cards were some of the better cards in the order, so yeah... eating my words again, very happily.

[88horsepower]

Cancel your membership renewals. If you really want to send PSA a message, stop using their services. As much as I would love PSA to get back to what used to be a fun hobby tool, they come across more and more as a means of making money while providing a very shoddy service. I voted with my wallet and terminated my membership renewal. I might by the occasional slab here and there on the open market, but I've even lost steam with that aspect of collecting, feeing PSA is a tainted product. When I see some of the grades 4 Sharp Corners gets back, more and more I realize just how much of a mess this entire company seems to be. The company is catering to flippers, not collectors. They've turned their backs on collectors.

[OGxFreddy]

yup just got hit with a 43% gemrate pokemon order this week. I've never had below 65%. They gave all the xy era megas I submitted automatic 9's. Frustrating.

[MJGOAT23]

definitely got a stricter grader in this latest 1980-present order that popped today. 65 cards. It had plenty of 80's + 90's cards that I was only expecting 7-9's on and still had several 10's on 90s and ultra modern scattered in, but the cards I suspected were only 8's or maybe 9 were like a grade or 2 lower with the obligatory 6 and even a 3 on a 90's Kobe. Gotta screen everything now for AT PSA damage.

Too many ultra modern were 9's or 8s' and I had a run of (6) cheap Jeter RC's. 4 10's a 9 and a 6. Yeah..!! I sent 5 super clean cards and 1 trashed 6. it's amazing how many people's orders have that 1 PSA 6 between the 10's. I'm sure there's a reason and I'll study them in hand, it's just amazing how common this is.

***I did do super well on my order before this with tons of 10's on 90's MJ's and much higher modern gem rate so maybe I was over confident and let more through my screening process. we'll see.

[88horsepower]

In a recent order, I sent in two 1986 Donruss Rookies Will Clark cards and both came back with fuzzy white corners. I know for a fact that these cards were not sent in with the corner damage they came back with, especially considering how much I scrutinize my cards before they go to PSA. It's a shame that we now need to actually scan raw cards before sending them to PSA, and even if we did, I somehow doubt PSA would accept responsibility.

Originally Posted by MJGOAT23

definitely got a stricter grader in this latest 1980-present order that popped today. 65 cards. It had plenty of 80's + 90's cards that I was only expecting 7-9's on and still had several 10's on 90s and ultra modern scattered in, but the cards I suspected were only 8's or maybe 9 were like a grade or 2 lower with the obligatory 6 and even a 3 on a 90's Kobe. Gotta screen everything now for AT PSA damage.

Too many ultra modern were 9's or 8s' and I had a run of (6) cheap Jeter RC's. 4 10's a 9 and a 6. Yeah..!! I sent 5 super clean cards and 1 trashed 6. it's amazing how many people's orders have that 1 PSA 6 between the 10's. I'm sure there's a reason and I'll study them in hand, it's just amazing how common this is.

***I did do super well on my order before this with tons of 10's on 90's MJ's and much higher modern gem rate so maybe I was over confident and let more through my screening process. we'll see.

[MJGOAT23]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

In a recent order, I sent in two 1986 Donruss Rookies Will Clark cards and both came back with fuzzy white corners. I know for a fact that these cards were not sent in with the corner damage they came back with, especially considering how much I scrutinize my cards before they go to PSA. It's a shame that we now need to actually scan raw cards before sending them to PSA, and even if we did, I somehow doubt PSA would accept responsibility.

I take front and back photos of everything I send.

[swerve]

Originally Posted by larry25

Damn, that looks like a 9 to me, despite the print, and a strong 9 at that. Maybe I've just entirely lost it. Guess L to R could be better, too.

delete - missed the part that mentioned the spot was not on the card.

[collective]

PSA has too many graders to keep a grading line consistent.

This is where SGC, CGC, and Beckett can shine. Smaller grading teams are easier to keep consistent in their grading

[junkwaxgems]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

In a recent order, I sent in two 1986 Donruss Rookies Will Clark cards and both came back with fuzzy white corners. I know for a fact that these cards were not sent in with the corner damage they came back with, especially considering how much I scrutinize my cards before they go to PSA. It's a shame that we now need to actually scan raw cards before sending them to PSA, and even if we did, I somehow doubt PSA would accept responsibility.

It recently hit me that each sub I've sent in of thin stock cards (album stickers) have returned with multiple 4s and 5s. Upon reviewing them, they almost all have the same damage type that appears to have been caused by how they were removed from the Card Savers. There is no chance whatsoever that they were submitted to PSA like that.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by junkwaxgems

It recently hit me that each sub I've sent in of thin stock cards (album stickers) have returned with multiple 4s and 5s. Upon reviewing them, they almost all have the same damage type that appears to have been caused by how they were removed from the Card Savers. There is no chance whatsoever that they were submitted to PSA like that.

I had multiple cards on my last order that got 5's because they bent a specific corner. Like it was fed through a machine and damaged. That was my last order I submitted and the last of my life. No other company has ever treated my cards like that.

[SLGSports]

Stop grading with PSA, they're no longer the best value. You would've got a better return with BGS, SGC, CGC, or even TAG.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by SLGSports

Stop grading with PSA, they're no longer the best value. You would've got a better return with BGS, SGC, CGC, or even TAG.

Until customers stop the demand for PSA slabs, people will keep on submitting. The majority of collectors don't grade. They buy and flip slabs. They don't care about PSA's quality of grading, turnaround times, or upcharges. All of us that grade cards, know the issues of PSA. However, if we want to gamble on grading $5 cards, PSA has the best chances on the roulette wheel.

[junkwaxgems]

Originally Posted by SLGSports

Stop grading with PSA, they're no longer the best value. You would've got a better return with BGS, SGC, CGC, or even TAG.

There is a massive "hobby" element who refuse to entertain the idea of buying a card in any other slab. These people message sellers saying as much. It is a very screwed up dynamic currently. That said, I have not subbed with them in over a year due to their atrocious current crop of graders.

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Until customers stop the demand for PSA slabs, people will keep on submitting. The majority of collectors don't grade. They buy and flip slabs. They don't care about PSA's quality of grading, turnaround times, or upcharges. All of us that grade cards, know the issues of PSA. However, if we want to gamble on grading $5 cards, PSA has the best chances on the roulette wheel.

100%.

It is very apparent that PSA does not have any interest in getting these recent hires educated on the nuances of various eras, card stocks or production variables over the last few decades. Pokemon and Panini products are a horrible metric to base the last four decades of trading cards on.

[yoyosh]

This is…something?
https://youtu.be/WAIZf42GkCo

[Snowcat]

Originally Posted by yoyosh

This is…something?
https://youtu.be/WAIZf42GkCo

99% of the graders being hired and trained today can't properly authenticate, evaluate, and grade vintage cards.

You can train anyone off the streets in six weeks or less to grade ultra modern orders.

Vintage takes years of experience to properly authenticate/detect alterations.

All major grading companies were looser with their vintage grading standards in years past. However, the 2+ grade decreases across the board is absurd. A few could've been slightly mishandled during crackout, shipping, handling, but these results are becoming more and more common with older submission regrades.

[88horsepower]

I feel like this article represents how a lot of us are feeling right now:

https://cardlines.com/why-are-psa-grades-getting-lower/

[Malsk]

Originally Posted by yoyosh

This is…something?
https://youtu.be/WAIZf42GkCo

That is wild!

[BraveAtlanta]

I have about 69 modern cards to send in at the Value price. Some of the cards have multiples (5 or 6 of the same card). Is it better to split these up in 2 or 3 orders? I don’t want to get stuck with one lazy/bad grader. What do yall usually do?

[larry25]

Originally Posted by Malsk

That is wild!

This is gross

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by yoyosh

This is…something?
https://youtu.be/WAIZf42GkCo

Not surprising at all and very upsetting.

Something I talked about earlier is how concerned I am that older certs in higher grade will be devalued by prospective buyers who feel the standards were looser at the time the older certs were assigned. This is pissing me off quite a bit as someone who started collecting PSA when older certs were in circulation.

[inaka]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

Not surprising at all and very upsetting.

Something I talked about earlier is how concerned I am that older certs in higher grade will be devalued by prospective buyers who feel the standards were looser at the time the older certs were assigned. This is pissing me off quite a bit as someone who started collecting PSA when older certs were in circulation.

Not to mention it completely undermines the PSA set registry.

If old cert PSA 10s are now PSA 8s, and newly graded cards that should be a PSA 10s are coming back PSA 9s and PSA 8s, then it makes the PSA set registry essentially pointless.

[FT35]

Originally Posted by larry25

This is gross

When people here started waving this flag, we were doubted and sometimes mocked. The rare replies to PSA customer service were always polite, but deflected the concern and typically pointed to the “YOU must have missed something” variety and not “you’re right, we changed our grading criteria or worse, damaged your cards and didn’t tell anyone.” When more and more people started noticing and making comments, they posted a stealthy change on their website about a change in how they grade centering and continued to keep mostly quiet and let the bell-ringers continue to sound like they were just disgruntled about their grades and floating conspiracy theories.

The vintage cards in the video were mostly high grade examples (minus the few centering issues). But they all sit in mid-grade slabs and that’s not OK. Not one grade went up from the original grade. It’s a 1-3 grade drop across the board on ALL cards (vintage & maybe even modern). UNLESS of course you’re ripping 1975 Topps wax at the National.