Joc Pederson, or Kris Bryant? - Page 2

jova888 · 05-02-2015, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by douglasfir

All of a sudden everyone has jumped onto a new bandwagon. People wouldn't have said this during spring training. It's been ONE month. Sample size is too small. Joc bats .150 in May with 1 hr and Bryant hits 8-10 hrs...then what? Just find it funny that because a Bryant isn't hitting homers right now, he's yesterday's news.

I'm assume you have invested a lot of money into Bryant. I hope it pays off.

StraWMyerS · 05-02-2015, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by douglasfir

All of a sudden everyone has jumped onto a new bandwagon. People wouldn't have said this during spring training. It's been ONE month. Sample size is too small. Joc bats .150 in May with 1 hr and Bryant hits 8-10 hrs...then what? Just find it funny that because a Bryant isn't hitting homers right now, he's yesterday's news.

I promise you there have been people who favored Joc's game to Bryant's prior to this past month. True not as many, but don't always follow the majority.

I do believe Bryant will settle in as a .270-.280 hitter with 30+ HR a year, but Joc has the higher ceiling and is a more rare talent IMO

douglasfir · 05-02-2015, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jova888

I'm assume you have invested a lot of money into Bryant. I hope it pays off.

I only collect 90's players.

douglasfir · 05-02-2015, 08:08 PM

And... I'm jealous of the Dodgers young players and the fact that the Phils couldn't swing a trade for him.

trixstar · 05-02-2015, 08:08 PM

At least Joc has hit a major league home run so far.

gradedeflator · 05-02-2015, 08:33 PM

I think (and hope) they both have solid MLB careers. would be nice if someone were willing to pay close to the $50k that the Bryant super was valued at on ESPN's Mint Condition for this guy:

Syndygaard · 05-02-2015, 09:17 PM

People who are saying Joc are so completely wrong its funny. Bryant is the better talent and its undeniable. Go ask 100 scouts this question and you would see just how wrong you guys are, oh wait, yeah scouts were already asked this question, they ALL had Bryant ranked higher in prospect lists for the last year and a half because he IS the better prospect. Yes, yes, I know, well see if that holds true long term, but all you guys saying Joc are basing it on the short term because if you werent you would clearly see Bryant as the better talent. /rant

angels2705 · 05-02-2015, 10:43 PM

Pederson with another homer... Dayyyym!

phil · 05-02-2015, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by angels2705

Pederson with another homer... Dayyyym!

avoiding Golden sombrero for both players same day

USAFDODGERS · 05-03-2015, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndygaard

People who are saying Joc are so completely wrong its funny. Bryant is the better talent and its undeniable. Go ask 100 scouts this question and you would see just how wrong you guys are, oh wait, yeah scouts were already asked this question, they ALL had Bryant ranked higher in prospect lists for the last year and a half because he IS the better prospect. Yes, yes, I know, well see if that holds true long term, but all you guys saying Joc are basing it on the short term because if you werent you would clearly see Bryant as the better talent. /rant

Oh because the scouts have always been 100% correct all the time...you're right though Joc won't turn out to be that good because the scouts said so everyone is stupid to think he could possibly be better

stormshadow815 · 05-03-2015, 01:09 AM

I'm a Dodgers fan and laugh at this. Bryant is way better. Joc is great but the talent isn't even in the same ballpark.

Numba1yankeefan · 05-03-2015, 10:47 AM

Joc right now is 5th in MLB in OBP, 4th in Slugging, 3rd in OPS, 3rd in Walks.

Amazing fielder, great speed, solid 5 tool player.

Still holding 25 chrome auto's of him. Mayyyyyybe I should list tonight.

rob11nats · 05-03-2015, 11:22 AM

I would take Joc for the same reasons I'd take Trout over Cabrera. He plays a much more important position and plays it VERY well, he adds way more value on the basepaths, and the gap between them as hitters is not quite big enough to overcome all the other stuff.

jova888 · 05-06-2015, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by StraWMyerS

I promise you there have been people who favored Joc's game to Bryant's prior to this past month. True not as many, but don't always follow the majority.

I do believe Bryant will settle in as a .270-.280 hitter with 30+ HR a year, but Joc has the higher ceiling and is a more rare talent IMO

1 homer for the month of May??? you my friend are wrong.. .. way off

kyle1707 · 05-06-2015, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by al3xmac10

Joc: 23 yo, CF, bats leadoff for LAD
Kris: 23 yo, 3B, bats cleanup for Cubs

Which would you like on your team?

I can't wait for Bryce to turn 23.........

I kid.. Not really..

I'll take Bryant... Bombs are coming

dasiegel · 05-06-2015, 11:45 PM

it's not even close, it's bryant. joc is great, i have a few, but bryant hasn't even scratched the surface and he's still batting .297, 13 RBI, 16 BBs and an OBP of .444... and he hasn't even started to show power. His ceiling is just too high.

angels2705 · 05-07-2015, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dasiegel

it's not even close, it's bryant. joc is great, i have a few, but bryant hasn't even scratched the surface and he's still batting .297, 13 RBI, 16 BBs and an OBP of .444... and he hasn't even started to show power. His ceiling is just too high.

Pederson: .272, 18 RBI, 9 HR, 21BB, .423 OBP, .667 SLG, 1.090 OPS.
I'll take that over "hasn't even started to show power" all day long. Only knock are the strikeouts of course. Defensively, he's killing there too!

GoldStandard000 · 05-07-2015, 01:08 AM

Both of them have their flaws. I'll still take Bryant over Pederson though.

sigmachi · 05-07-2015, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by angels2705

Pederson: .272, 18 RBI, 9 HR, 21BB, .423 OBP, .667 SLG, 1.090 OPS.
I'll take that over "hasn't even started to show power" all day long. Only knock are the strikeouts of course. Defensively, he's killing there too!

That's a pretty big knock though. He's striking out in 42% of his at-bats. 34 K's in 81 AB's.

seabass97166 · 05-07-2015, 09:42 AM

It's obviously it's Joc. The simple reality is that Pederson was able to come in under the radar and just be one of the guys - anything he is able to contribute is an added bonus to a loaded roster. No hype...just play.

Bryant on the other hand came in under the mega spotlight, ROY/MVP expectations, labeled the next future of the Cubs that is the chosen one that is going to resurrect the franchise. (not sneaking up on pitchers that know about him too)

Bryant is still a great talent, but these expectations were simply too big. Pederson seems to have more power, speed, and much better defense. All the tools.

dasiegel · 05-07-2015, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by angels2705

Pederson: .272, 18 RBI, 9 HR, 21BB, .423 OBP, .667 SLG, 1.090 OPS.
I'll take that over "hasn't even started to show power" all day long. Only knock are the strikeouts of course. Defensively, he's killing there too!

Lol, can you make my argument sound any more simple? It's not that simple. Joc Ks a lot... I read his last 7 hits were HRs. What happens when he isn't red hot and blasting the ball. He obviously also has a good eye and walks a lot which is important but Kevin Maas was hot for a while too. I actually like both so i don't want to bash Joc too much but just point out that a really hot stretch to start your career showing power is not a good way to judge who you'd rather have, especially when the other option is hitting for better avg. and OBP, also showing a good eye and all the things Bryant is doing.

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Originally Posted by seabass97166

It's obviously it's Joc. The simple reality is that Pederson was able to come in under the radar and just be one of the guys - anything he is able to contribute is an added bonus to a loaded roster. No hype...just play.

Bryant on the other hand came in under the mega spotlight, ROY/MVP expectations, labeled the next future of the Cubs that is the chosen one that is going to resurrect the franchise. (not sneaking up on pitchers that know about him too)

Bryant is still a great talent, but thise expectations were just too great. But Pederson seems to have more power, speed, and better defense.

Bryant can still easily win ROY. I think both will see their avg. dip but if Bryant was batting .285ish and ended up with say 15-20 HRs, walked a ton and the Cubs do well, ROY is probable not remote. Joc's power will have to slow down and if his avg. dips too low it will hurt his chances.

DetectiveChrome · 05-07-2015, 09:51 AM

I wish this title read "Adrian Pederson or Kobe Bryant?" (no comma neccessary)

Cubs_rock21 · 05-07-2015, 09:54 AM

Both will get on base a ton for either team. I would have to take Bryant as pitchers are already treating him like a seasoned Vet. He def. scares people in the MLB. Theres a reason he has zero home runs, as pitchers are giving him nothing to hit. The mistakes will come though. It's only been 20 days.

seabass97166 · 05-07-2015, 09:56 AM

[/QUOTE] Bryant can still easily win ROY. I think both will see their avg. dip but if Bryant was batting .285ish and ended up with say 15-20 HRs, walked a ton and the Cubs do well, ROY is probable not remote. Joc's power will have to slow down and if his avg. dips too low it will hurt his chances.[/QUOTE]

There is no doubt it's a long season. He can hit 5 in a week. And...he probably will....but just talent vs talent sake...I'll take Joc from what I have seen so far. Pederson is pretty much a 5 tool player.
I think Bryant will morph into a .260 hitter with shoddy defense, and yes pop 30 homeruns like a good corner infielder should. But Joc can hit 440 foot bombs, steal bases, and play excellent defense. Kind of like his counterpart down the 405 freeway

IndySportsCards · 05-07-2015, 09:56 AM

JOC no doubt. Kid is a beast.

05-03-2015, 01:09 AM	#36
stormshadow815 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 2,781	I'm a Dodgers fan and laugh at this. Bryant is way better. Joc is great but the talent isn't even in the same ballpark. __________________

05-03-2015, 10:47 AM	#37
Numba1yankeefan Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,424 ale91729	Joc right now is 5th in MLB in OBP, 4th in Slugging, 3rd in OPS, 3rd in Walks. Amazing fielder, great speed, solid 5 tool player. Still holding 25 chrome auto's of him. Mayyyyyybe I should list tonight. __________________ Buying: Mid-High End Chrome Auto's

05-06-2015, 11:45 PM	#41
dasiegel Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 27,556	it's not even close, it's bryant. joc is great, i have a few, but bryant hasn't even scratched the surface and he's still batting .297, 13 RBI, 16 BBs and an OBP of .444... and he hasn't even started to show power. His ceiling is just too high. __________________ Board man. Board man gets paid.

05-07-2015, 09:42 AM	#45
seabass97166 Banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,685	It's obviously it's Joc. The simple reality is that Pederson was able to come in under the radar and just be one of the guys - anything he is able to contribute is an added bonus to a loaded roster. No hype...just play. Bryant on the other hand came in under the mega spotlight, ROY/MVP expectations, labeled the next future of the Cubs that is the chosen one that is going to resurrect the franchise. (not sneaking up on pitchers that know about him too) Bryant is still a great talent, but these expectations were simply too big. Pederson seems to have more power, speed, and much better defense. All the tools. Last edited by seabass97166; 05-07-2015 at 09:44 AM.

05-07-2015, 09:51 AM	#47
DetectiveChrome Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,492 throwback_deluxe1 MegacityManiac	I wish this title read "Adrian Pederson or Kobe Bryant?" (no comma neccessary) __________________ http://s1099.photobucket.com/albums/g398/smarra/ For shipping purposes: I'm from Toronto (Canada)

05-02-2015, 08:08 PM	#29
douglasfir Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 728	And... I'm jealous of the Dodgers young players and the fact that the Phils couldn't swing a trade for him.

05-02-2015, 08:08 PM	#30
trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,173 stunner316	At least Joc has hit a major league home run so far.

05-02-2015, 08:33 PM	#31
gradedeflator Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: West Coast Posts: 3,026	I think (and hope) they both have solid MLB careers. would be nice if someone were willing to pay close to the $50k that the Bryant super was valued at on ESPN's Mint Condition for this guy:

05-02-2015, 09:17 PM	#32
Syndygaard Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 1,932 prospects-etc Coming Soon	People who are saying Joc are so completely wrong its funny. Bryant is the better talent and its undeniable. Go ask 100 scouts this question and you would see just how wrong you guys are, oh wait, yeah scouts were already asked this question, they ALL had Bryant ranked higher in prospect lists for the last year and a half because he IS the better prospect. Yes, yes, I know, well see if that holds true long term, but all you guys saying Joc are basing it on the short term because if you werent you would clearly see Bryant as the better talent. /rant

05-02-2015, 10:43 PM	#33
angels2705 Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 143	Pederson with another homer... Dayyyym!

05-03-2015, 11:22 AM	#38
rob11nats Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: RI Posts: 4,571	I would take Joc for the same reasons I'd take Trout over Cabrera. He plays a much more important position and plays it VERY well, he adds way more value on the basepaths, and the gap between them as hitters is not quite big enough to overcome all the other stuff.

05-07-2015, 01:08 AM	#43
GoldStandard000 Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: ATL, GA Posts: 685	Both of them have their flaws. I'll still take Bryant over Pederson though.

05-07-2015, 09:54 AM	#48
Cubs_rock21 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,751	Both will get on base a ton for either team. I would have to take Bryant as pitchers are already treating him like a seasoned Vet. He def. scares people in the MLB. Theres a reason he has zero home runs, as pitchers are giving him nothing to hit. The mistakes will come though. It's only been 20 days.

05-07-2015, 09:56 AM	#49
seabass97166 Banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,685	[/QUOTE] Bryant can still easily win ROY. I think both will see their avg. dip but if Bryant was batting .285ish and ended up with say 15-20 HRs, walked a ton and the Cubs do well, ROY is probable not remote. Joc's power will have to slow down and if his avg. dips too low it will hurt his chances.[/QUOTE] There is no doubt it's a long season. He can hit 5 in a week. And...he probably will....but just talent vs talent sake...I'll take Joc from what I have seen so far. Pederson is pretty much a 5 tool player. I think Bryant will morph into a .260 hitter with shoddy defense, and yes pop 30 homeruns like a good corner infielder should. But Joc can hit 440 foot bombs, steal bases, and play excellent defense. Kind of like his counterpart down the 405 freeway

05-07-2015, 09:56 AM	#50
IndySportsCards Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: EO 13848 Posts: 41,985 braco0 IndySportsCards	JOC no doubt. Kid is a beast. __________________ Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right.