Kobe Bryant is the ultimate team player! - Page 2

ljandkg · 10-31-2015, 03:41 PM

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haha well played.

bread and circuses....are you not entertained!

Haha!

I tell you, Stephen A Smith and that other muppet Bayless have just about single handedly driven me from espn.

Back on topic. Kobe talking post game about passing the torch to the younger players. Will be fun to watch them develop.

ninjacookies · 10-31-2015, 05:33 PM

Kobe's the only one with balls on that team right now (and the past few seasons). You can never knock his heart and desire. He's got more of that than 99.9% of these young bucks who give up on plays by the end of the first half. He'll shoot 30 percent but will always give you 130% no matter what he does.

And at the end of the day, I'd MUCH rather have Kobe be the one taking the potential game winner over someone like Clarkson or Lou freakin Williams.

Orangejello727 · 10-31-2015, 06:23 PM

Good to see Kobe back on court!! Still more exciting than 90% of the league

Chick Hearn · 10-31-2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Kobe's the only one with balls on that team right now (and the past few seasons). You can never knock his heart and desire. He's got more of that than 99.9% of these young bucks who give up on plays by the end of the first half. He'll shoot 30 percent but will always give you 130% no matter what he does.

And at the end of the day, I'd MUCH rather have Kobe be the one taking the potential game winner over someone like Clarkson or Lou freakin Williams.

Agreed!

Lou missed an easy one against the T'Wolves, but, I think Clarkson is confident and maturing with each game played. He can be "the man" to take a final shot and make it at some point!

While it's only 2 games, he's at 56% percent from the field, 40% from 3pt land, with an average of 18pts a game? He was 10-15 last night in 28 minutes!

I'll continue to take that.

ninjacookies · 10-31-2015, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chick Hearn

Agreed!

Lou missed an easy one against the T'Wolves, but, I think Clarkson is confident and maturing with each game played. He can be "the man" to take a final shot and make it at some point!

While it's only 2 games, he's at 56% percent from the field, 40% from 3pt land, with an average of 18pts a game? He was 10-15 last night in 28 minutes!

I'll continue to take that.

I admit I was a bit harsh on Clark the first year, only because his stats looked so great on a team that was so dismal (so a lot of garbage time stats). He is looking pretty solid though, so I give him credit on putting in the hard work in the offseason. Interested in seeing how that situation with him and D'Angelo works itsself out in the backcourt as the season progresses.

Kobe101 · 10-31-2015, 07:18 PM

I am a huge Kobe fan but it is frustrating watching him play he need to pass more and if he is going to shoot he needs to drive. He is taking long threes and bad shots way too much.

But like the original poster said sarcastically if they don't get a top 3 pick they lose it right so it may be for the best lol.

But it stunts Randle Clarkson and Russels growth

kairi-2008 · 10-31-2015, 08:52 PM

Not a Kobe fan, but he was a legend and people should show a little respect. Kobe is finished, retire with some pride.
Lakers wouldn't get many wins in the D League.

bmf · 11-01-2015, 09:25 AM

no matter how many troll threads/posts are made here on the highly revered blowout card forums, none of it will change the fact that kobe bryant is among the very top players to ever play. even my friends who can't stand him admit they'd rank him top five all time.

bdoody42 · 11-01-2015, 10:06 AM

I have never been a Kobe fan, but I can respect him as a top ten all time player. That said what he is doing to this team is killing there in court future. Kobe need to accept a lesser role and help young player such as Clarkson and Russell. This team has gotten beat by two of the weaker western conference teams. The Kings just mopped the floor with them. Kobe played good the first three quarters against the wolves, but at the end of the game by jacking up low percentage shots.

fazzle · 11-01-2015, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bmf

no matter how many troll threads/posts are made here on the highly revered blowout card forums, none of it will change the fact that kobe bryant is among the very top players to ever play. even my friends who can't stand him admit they'd rank him top five all time.

I would never argue that. Kobe Bryant is one of the great all time players. That doesn't change the fact that doesn't belong out there trying to control the game in 2015.

byronscott4ever · 11-01-2015, 11:38 AM

It's hard for players to get shots when Kobe shoots first. He needs to stop jacking so many threes. I hope he meant it when he says that he's going to let other players take over now.

paul06901 · 11-01-2015, 12:15 PM

Look at the minutes and FGAs that Dirk/KG/Duncan have. Yes, they're big men. And yes, Kobe is a better overall player no doubt. But at this stage in their career, they understand their declining roles. They could take 25 FGAs per game like Kobe, but they don't. They also help mentor the other players, and lead in other ways besides trying to be the team leader in points. Kobe has been in the league one year less than Garnett and one year more than Dirk/KG. I haven't looked at this stat yet, but I'm sure he likely has logged more career minutes than any of those guys. (?)

Kobe has some great young talent on the roster, and he needs to be a leader and help the next generation. He's damaging his reputation in many people's eyes by what he's been doing the last few years. I always loved watching Kobe play. He is without a doubt top 10 of all time IMO. But his selfishness is really showing through the past few seasons. He obviously cares more about Kobe than anything else in life. He's not 1998 Kobe, but he doesn't realize that I guess. With his recent and severe injuries, he should be taking on a different role. The stubbornness and selfishness will be played off as "Kobe being Kobe!" and having a "killer instinct" or something. In fact, it's really bad for his teammates and the organization to have Kobe playing like this. I think the last game I saw him miss 3-straight shots on a single possession. I can imagine how the young players feel around him. They know the team is losing, they're not playing as a team and getting shots they need, yet Kobe is still getting his "points" regardless of FG %. Maybe he'll change things up a bit as the season progresses. However, I see no reason why Kobe isn't going to keep continuing to build on his offensive records at this point knowing that the team is not a championship contender. He will surely keep building the one, untouchable record of most missed FGAs of all-time!

tristan20 · 11-01-2015, 11:10 PM

What a mess!

Just horrible watching him play now. Not running back on defense, missing everything and just playing wild.

Lakers need to develop the young guns. Lesson Kobe's minutes.

razorsharp · 11-01-2015, 11:17 PM

Kobe needs to pull a Spurrier and retire mid-season.

He is so cooked now. Have some pride and just go away.

BestRCs · 11-01-2015, 11:29 PM

But but but... "kobe is such a legend! You guys are all haters!" Lol.

"ESPN is crazy for ranking him at (whatever number)"

Finally people are realizing the truth. Its crazy. He's been like this for years now. Welcome to reality folks.

JMPKCP · 11-01-2015, 11:48 PM

His plus/minus while on the floor says the opposite. Says it's better with him in there than without. So many Kobe bashers. You fools are probably the same one bashing Peyton Manning as he's cruised to 7-0.

tristan20 · 11-01-2015, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

His plus/minus while on the floor says the opposite. Says it's better with him in there than without. So many Kobe bashers. You fools are probably the same one bashing Peyton Manning as he's cruised to 7-0.

Watch the game!

Plus minus? People still follow that crap? His plus minus is ZERO by the way

3 for 15 come on

fazzle · 11-02-2015, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

His plus/minus while on the floor says the opposite. Says it's better with him in there than without. So many Kobe bashers. You fools are probably the same one bashing Peyton Manning as he's cruised to 7-0.

Peyton Manning isn't still trying to chuck 50 yard bombs left and right. He's changed up his playstyle to fit his more limited physical skill set.

jj2 · 11-02-2015, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

His plus/minus while on the floor says the opposite. Says it's better with him in there than without. So many Kobe bashers. You fools are probably the same one bashing Peyton Manning as he's cruised to 7-0.

His plus/minus, for what it's worth, is -2. Peyton Manning cruising to 7-0 is the same as the Lakers going 0-3 how exactly?

JMPKCP · 11-02-2015, 12:21 AM

So his plus/minus is -2. Which means that the Lakers were outscored by 2 when he was on the floor and by 8 when he wasn't.

But I guess I couldn't expect a Kobe bashing thread to have reasonable thinking in it...you gonna bash a guy who is 3 for 15 a couple games into the season who hasn't played for a year?

Anthony Davis, who people praise as the next big thing, was 4 for 20 on day one and that's only because he went 3 for his last 4. The dude was 1 for 16 to start the game. So you writing him off too? Lakers are playing from behind...of course Kobe is going to be chucking it.

jbrandonw · 11-02-2015, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

So his plus/minus is -2. Which means that the Lakers were outscored by 2 when he was on the floor and by 8 when he wasn't.

But I guess I couldn't expect a Kobe bashing thread to have reasonable thinking in it...you gonna bash a guy who is 3 for 15 a couple games into the season who hasn't played for a year?

Anthony Davis, who people praise as the next big thing, was 4 for 20 on day one and that's only because he went 3 for his last 4. The dude was 1 for 16 to start the game. So you writing him off too? Lakers are playing from behind...of course Kobe is going to be chucking it.

Did you even watch tonight's game? Kobe chucked 5 horrible shots in the first couple of minutes which was the reason they were playing from behind. They didnt even score until 5 minutes into the game when kobe finally got fouled and went to the free throw line after going 0-5. The game got closer when they took him out and everyone else started sharing the ball. Guess you couldn't expect a kobe nuthugger to have reasonable thinking.

jj2 · 11-02-2015, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

So his plus/minus is -2. Which means that the Lakers were outscored by 2 when he was on the floor and by 8 when he wasn't.

But I guess I couldn't expect a Kobe bashing thread to have reasonable thinking in it...you gonna bash a guy who is 3 for 15 a couple games into the season who hasn't played for a year?

Anthony Davis, who people praise as the next big thing, was 4 for 20 on day one and that's only because he went 3 for his last 4. The dude was 1 for 16 to start the game. So you writing him off too? Lakers are playing from behind...of course Kobe is going to be chucking it.

Anthony Davis was All NBA First Team last year with an insane efficiency rating. He's was also trying out more shooting positions that he has in the past. That game was an exception rather than the rule. Unfortunately, however, Kobe's recent shooting performances seem to becoming the norm. Who knows, maybe he'll turn it around at some point. When you're getting that many shots every game then you're bound to get hot every now and then.

Will it help the Lakers develop and win more games is the real question.

ljandkg · 11-02-2015, 12:41 AM

Tell you one thing this thread has done is made me check out James Harden.

If you think Kobe's shooting it bad.......

Look at the state of this!!

James Harden Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Houston Rockets - ESPN

By the way to the plus/minus guy.....just read on twitter - Lakers Net rating when Kobe's on court is -18.5, when he's off the court it's -4.9, for what it's worth.

thepinoymamba · 11-02-2015, 03:00 AM

Kobe is the best Lakers of all time..

JMPKCP · 11-02-2015, 03:21 AM

Gotta love when people just make stuff up. It's so easy to prove them wrong and then they just shut up or disappear.

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Kobe chucked 5 horrible shots in the first couple of minutes which was the reason they were playing from behind.

Kobe's 5th shot was almost at halftime, with 2:46 left in the 2nd quarter.

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Originally Posted by jbrandonw

They didnt even score until 5 minutes into the game when kobe finally got fouled and went to the free throw line after going 0-5.

Kobe missed shots at 11:28 and 10:15 left in the 1st. Then he was fouled and made all 3 free throws at 7:32 left in the 1st. So he was 0-2 with 3 points at that point, not 0-5.

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The game got closer when they took him out and everyone else started sharing the ball.

They took him out at 5:05 left in the first trailing by 10 POINTS. They made their first shot after his substitution to make it an 8 point game and then never got any closer than 10 points after that. Kobe didn't come back into the game until 6:45 left in the 2nd, when the Lakers were trailing by 12 POINTS. 12 is not closer than 10.

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ljandkg Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,428	Tell you one thing this thread has done is made me check out James Harden. If you think Kobe's shooting it bad....... Look at the state of this!! James Harden Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Houston Rockets - ESPN By the way to the plus/minus guy.....just read on twitter - Lakers Net rating when Kobe's on court is -18.5, when he's off the court it's -4.9, for what it's worth. __________________ Garnett jersey #'d count - 424 https://www.flickr.com/photos/152215151@N02/albums/72157685722278255 'KG is a mercenary and Eric Williams was a better Celtic.' - someone on Blowout Last edited by ljandkg; 11-02-2015 at 01:00 AM.

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10-31-2015, 05:33 PM	#27
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,051	Kobe's the only one with balls on that team right now (and the past few seasons). You can never knock his heart and desire. He's got more of that than 99.9% of these young bucks who give up on plays by the end of the first half. He'll shoot 30 percent but will always give you 130% no matter what he does. And at the end of the day, I'd MUCH rather have Kobe be the one taking the potential game winner over someone like Clarkson or Lou freakin Williams.

10-31-2015, 06:23 PM	#28
Orangejello727 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 19,093	Good to see Kobe back on court!! Still more exciting than 90% of the league

10-31-2015, 07:18 PM	#31
Kobe101 Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410	I am a huge Kobe fan but it is frustrating watching him play he need to pass more and if he is going to shoot he needs to drive. He is taking long threes and bad shots way too much. But like the original poster said sarcastically if they don't get a top 3 pick they lose it right so it may be for the best lol. But it stunts Randle Clarkson and Russels growth

11-01-2015, 09:25 AM	#33
bmf Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,200	no matter how many troll threads/posts are made here on the highly revered blowout card forums, none of it will change the fact that kobe bryant is among the very top players to ever play. even my friends who can't stand him admit they'd rank him top five all time.

11-01-2015, 11:38 AM	#36
byronscott4ever Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11,411	It's hard for players to get shots when Kobe shoots first. He needs to stop jacking so many threes. I hope he meant it when he says that he's going to let other players take over now.

11-01-2015, 12:15 PM	#37
paul06901 Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,564	Look at the minutes and FGAs that Dirk/KG/Duncan have. Yes, they're big men. And yes, Kobe is a better overall player no doubt. But at this stage in their career, they understand their declining roles. They could take 25 FGAs per game like Kobe, but they don't. They also help mentor the other players, and lead in other ways besides trying to be the team leader in points. Kobe has been in the league one year less than Garnett and one year more than Dirk/KG. I haven't looked at this stat yet, but I'm sure he likely has logged more career minutes than any of those guys. (?) Kobe has some great young talent on the roster, and he needs to be a leader and help the next generation. He's damaging his reputation in many people's eyes by what he's been doing the last few years. I always loved watching Kobe play. He is without a doubt top 10 of all time IMO. But his selfishness is really showing through the past few seasons. He obviously cares more about Kobe than anything else in life. He's not 1998 Kobe, but he doesn't realize that I guess. With his recent and severe injuries, he should be taking on a different role. The stubbornness and selfishness will be played off as "Kobe being Kobe!" and having a "killer instinct" or something. In fact, it's really bad for his teammates and the organization to have Kobe playing like this. I think the last game I saw him miss 3-straight shots on a single possession. I can imagine how the young players feel around him. They know the team is losing, they're not playing as a team and getting shots they need, yet Kobe is still getting his "points" regardless of FG %. Maybe he'll change things up a bit as the season progresses. However, I see no reason why Kobe isn't going to keep continuing to build on his offensive records at this point knowing that the team is not a championship contender. He will surely keep building the one, untouchable record of most missed FGAs of all-time!

11-01-2015, 11:10 PM	#38
tristan20 Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 12,906	What a mess! Just horrible watching him play now. Not running back on defense, missing everything and just playing wild. Lakers need to develop the young guns. Lesson Kobe's minutes.

11-01-2015, 11:17 PM	#39
razorsharp Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 3,242	Kobe needs to pull a Spurrier and retire mid-season. He is so cooked now. Have some pride and just go away.

11-01-2015, 11:48 PM	#41
JMPKCP Banned Join Date: May 2014 Location: Wine country Posts: 4,673	His plus/minus while on the floor says the opposite. Says it's better with him in there than without. So many Kobe bashers. You fools are probably the same one bashing Peyton Manning as he's cruised to 7-0.

11-02-2015, 12:21 AM	#45
JMPKCP Banned Join Date: May 2014 Location: Wine country Posts: 4,673	So his plus/minus is -2. Which means that the Lakers were outscored by 2 when he was on the floor and by 8 when he wasn't. But I guess I couldn't expect a Kobe bashing thread to have reasonable thinking in it...you gonna bash a guy who is 3 for 15 a couple games into the season who hasn't played for a year? Anthony Davis, who people praise as the next big thing, was 4 for 20 on day one and that's only because he went 3 for his last 4. The dude was 1 for 16 to start the game. So you writing him off too? Lakers are playing from behind...of course Kobe is going to be chucking it.