MMA Discussion Thread- Fight Night/UFC/PPV

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by rms13

It does seem like the money in the hobby seems to follow what guys have done last like big spike in Ngannou prices lately. But Might Mouse's legacy is cemented and he's pretty much GOAT of his weight class as long as he doesn't try to hang on like BJ Penn and start racking up bad losses. Morases is much taller though and that reach advantage was tough overcome.

BJ was my all time favorite fighter. He never trained properly. Had he taken his career as seriously as top fighters do today and stuck with 155, he'd have an incredible legacy.

He lost so many fights where his heart/conditioning just didn't hold up against bigger opposition that he was working over early in the fights when both men were fresh, and he took on too many fights against guys a weight class or two above him. Hendo was another guy who would fight anyone. Guys are smarter about their careers these days and don't take those kinds of chances, and rightfully so.

[patchgenie]

are you guys watching the jake paul/ben askren fight tomorrow?

[rms13]

Originally Posted by patchgenie

are you guys watching the jake paul/ben askren fight tomorrow?

Definitely not paying for it but I’ll be interested to see it. I hope Ben is getting paid a lot because I don’t think he comes out of it looking good unless he knocks Jake out


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[FreddDS]

Originally Posted by rms13

Definitely not paying for it but I’ll be interested to see it. I hope Ben is getting paid a lot because I don’t think he comes out of it looking good unless he knocks Jake out


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Salaries were announced earlier today. Ben is getting 500k, while Jake is getting 690k.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by FreddDS

Salaries were announced earlier today. Ben is getting 500k, while Jake is getting 690k.

That’s the biggest purse of his career so I guess it’s worth it.


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[SearchPatrol]

has the bout started yet?

[Mahomie]

Bieber is still performing, but I think the fight should start after he ends.

[Mahomie]

Gastelum vs. Whittaker about to start too

[Mahomie]

And it's over lol...first round TKO win for Jake Paul.

https://twitter.com/WhoIsCarlos/stat...43194521309186

https://twitter.com/RealKhalilU/stat...42877662621697

[PelicanFly]

Originally Posted by Mahomie

And it's over lol...first round TKO win for Jake Paul.

https://twitter.com/WhoIsCarlos/stat...43194521309186

https://twitter.com/RealKhalilU/stat...42877662621697

I feel like we're one step closer to Idiocracy after watching this Triller event

[YayNJ]

There's a reason why Jake Paul chose Askren.

My gran could outbox him

[rms13]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

There's a reason why Jake Paul chose Askren.

My gran could outbox him

Yeah I had a feeling this wasn’t going to end well for Ben. Then I saw his gut at the weigh in and I knew it wasn’t going to end well. But I believe it was his biggest payday by at least $150k so I don’t blame him for taking the fight.

I would like to see the rematch under mma rules.


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[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by PelicanFly

I feel like we're one step closer to Idiocracy after watching this Triller event

That was the definition of a trainwreck.

Ric Flair judging a slap fight
Announcers high AF
Pete Davidson hosting
That guy faking a groin shot and getting stretchered off after not even getting punched
Michael Buffer's corpse calling introducing "Ben Askew"

It was incredible and horrifying at the same time

[patchgenie]

would be interesting if jake paul fought anderson silva next

[YayNJ]

Watching it again (at not 5am GMT tired and struggling to stay awake) it's pretty obvious that while not quite taking a dive, Ben helped that fall to the canvas along a bit*.

The dude walked off seconds later (with his wife?) both grinning from ear to ear like cheshire cats whilst Paul was faux crying in the ring.



*a lot

[peanuts]

Ben definitely didn't take a dive. He got rocked (probably for the first time in a while), but was right back up. Dude didn't even need a count, he was hands up and ready to advance in five seconds.

Was def a work – as soon as the potential for a Jake Paul win presented itself, it was taken... (Not saying it would have been a W for Ben. It didn't look like he was going to have a good night. But man, blatantly obvious that there was a desired outcome)

[BestRCs]

Originally Posted by peanuts

Ben definitely didn't take a dive. He got rocked (probably for the first time in a while), but was right back up. Dude didn't even need a count, he was hands up and ready to advance in five seconds.

Was def a work – as soon as the potential for a Jake Paul win presented itself, it was taken... (Not saying it would have been a W for Ben. It didn't look like he was going to have a good night. But man, blatantly obvious that there was a desired outcome)

I had the same feelings as you. Most likely Ben was going down a patch that wasn’t going to end well for him. I saw the fight after hearing people scream it was rigged but I can’t say I blame people who think that.

Snoop yelling show me my money over and over in the most unprofessional way ever on a “sports” broadcast really didn’t help to quell those thoughts.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by BestRCs

I had the same feelings as you. Most likely Ben was going down a patch that wasn’t going to end well for him. I saw the fight after hearing people scream it was rigged but I can’t say I blame people who think that.

Snoop yelling show me my money over and over in the most unprofessional way ever on a “sports” broadcast really didn’t help to quell those thoughts.

It's a weird situation and seems like a huge scam imo
..

Apparantly Snoop is in business with Triller as a partner or something or other which is only reason hes an "announcer"...he also claimed to bet what $2 million on Paul..so makes it even more shady

They have the sucker business model though, people reeeeaallly wanna see Paul get his face knocked off...so people will still keep paying to see it; from what I heard of it though the 1st match actually had a decent "celebrity" boxer who wants Paul...they will have to continue to step up the competition though to make it last though

[Jcards]

I think if it were rigged, it would have gone longer. Askren's not a boxer, he really showed that in the fight. Very smart fight for Paul to set up.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by Jcards

I think if it were rigged, it would have gone longer. Askren's not a boxer, he really showed that in the fight. Very smart fight for Paul to set up.

Yes, so far Paul has only picked fights where he knows he can knock the guy out pretty easily. I'd like to see him fight someone who's a legit boxer but of course he probably would lose to even a low level pro boxer who has no name recognition so that doesn't make sense for his brand and obviously would generate less interest than knocking out opponents with some name recognition who have no boxing skills. Judging by Ben's physique I'd also say he didn't really train and was just there for the pay day

[omega145]

Terrible fight and an even worse event. I'm only adding fuel to the fire by commenting but I guess we can't help but talk about this polarizing event.

I honestly thought Askren would win because of his experience in actual combat...boy was I wrong. I don't think Askren took a dive but I do think the fight was stopped too early. However, Askren would have been in for a long night if the fight would've continued and I think Paul would've knocked him down another few times before it would've been stopped again. The win for Paul seems like it inevitable once the fight started and Ben looked out of shape and only could resort to holding him.
Jake Paul seems like he can actually box but it's hard to judge any of his actual skills based on fighting non-boxers. Askren got a pay day and Paul only added to his hate which seems to bring dollars to watch him get beaten. He'll probably have another easy fight if he takes that Dillon Dannis fight and then continue the inflation of his ego and furthering those paying to watch him potentially lose. Really wish people wouldn't pay for an event like this but here I am talking about it so they are doing something right.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by omega145

Terrible fight and an even worse event. I'm only adding fuel to the fire by commenting but I guess we can't help but talk about this polarizing event.

I honestly thought Askren would win because of his experience in actual combat...boy was I wrong. I don't think Askren took a dive but I do think the fight was stopped too early. However, Askren would have been in for a long night if the fight would've continued and I think Paul would've knocked him down another few times before it would've been stopped again. The win for Paul seems like it inevitable once the fight started and Ben looked out of shape and only could resort to holding him.
Jake Paul seems like he can actually box but it's hard to judge any of his actual skills based on fighting non-boxers. Askren got a pay day and Paul only added to his hate which seems to bring dollars to watch him get beaten. He'll probably have another easy fight if he takes that Dillon Dannis fight and then continue the inflation of his ego and furthering those paying to watch him potentially lose. Really wish people wouldn't pay for an event like this but here I am talking about it so they are doing something right.

This speaks to the state of boxing as much as anything. Paul fights, Tyson-Jones and Conor-Mayweather exhibitions generate more interest and money now than title fights with two legit high level boxers. So this will continue.

[omega145]

Originally Posted by rms13

This speaks to the state of boxing as much as anything. Paul fights, Tyson-Jones and Conor-Mayweather exhibitions generate more interest and money now than title fights with two legit high level boxers. So this will continue.

Is it the state of boxing or the state of what people see as entertainment? What would draw more buys? A title fight between Jon Jones and Francis Ngannou or a fight between Conor McGregor and Jake Paul?

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by peanuts

Ben definitely didn't take a dive. He got rocked (probably for the first time in a while), but was right back up. Dude didn't even need a count, he was hands up and ready to advance in five seconds.

Was def a work – as soon as the potential for a Jake Paul win presented itself, it was taken... (Not saying it would have been a W for Ben. It didn't look like he was going to have a good night. But man, blatantly obvious that there was a desired outcome)

He was right back up but when the ref asked him to walk towards him (as all referees do in boxing) he stumbled badly. Now I guess you could argue Askren faked the stumble but you have to remember Askren probably has the worst striking of any guy who’s ever made it to a high level MMA org save for CM Punk. He was almost 100% reliant on his wrestling. And also like it or not Paul is a big strong kid who actually knows what he’s doing in terms of boxing. Now I’m not saying he’s ever going to be a champion or anything like that but he has power and the basics of boxing down; Askren had neither and is also 12 years older and coming off major hip surgery.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by omega145

Is it the state of boxing or the state of what people see as entertainment? What would draw more buys? A title fight between Jon Jones and Francis Ngannou or a fight between Conor McGregor and Jake Paul?

Good question. I think the Jones/Ngannou or GSP/Khabib would do more money than Paul/Conor exhibition boxing but I'm probably wrong. I'm in my 40s so I don't really understand the fame or appeal of the Pauls but I guess the mere fact that I know who they are says something. I would imagine the average person on the street would be more familiar with the Paul brothers than any UFC fighter including Conor