WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV - Page 2000

thenightman · 10-09-2025, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by duwal

I don't know if that realistically would help. The problem is it's tough to think of some fresh matchups as so many of the headliner guys have been on both shows for years and faced most of the roster already. Who is equal competition to challenge Cody and hasn't? Or Seth? Or Tiffany? Does anyone really have interest in Sami's next rivel? Who will tag team that people care about against Wyatt Sicks or Charlotte/Alexa?

I think this could freshen things up and give each show a clear role.

RAW:
Cody Rhodes
Bianca Belair
Carmelo Hayes
Street Profits
Trick Williams
Ricky Saints
Jordynne Grace

SD:
LA Knight
Ilja Dragunov
Austin Theory
Oba Femi
Ethan Page
Sol Ruca
Zaria

A lot of fresh faces and matchups.

Jaypers · 10-09-2025, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

I think this could freshen things up and give each show a clear role.

RAW:
Cody Rhodes
Bianca Belair
Carmelo Hayes
Street Profits
Trick Williams
Ricky Saints
Jordynne Grace

SD:
LA Knight
Ilja Dragunov
Austin Theory
Oba Femi
Ethan Page
Sol Ruca
Zaria

A lot of fresh faces and matchups.

Until everyone just crosses over to the other brand willy nilly, as happens every year.

JustinVerlander07 · 10-09-2025, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

I think this could freshen things up and give each show a clear role.

RAW:
Cody Rhodes
Bianca Belair
Carmelo Hayes
Street Profits
Trick Williams
Ricky Saints
Jordynne Grace

SD:
LA Knight
Ilja Dragunov
Austin Theory
Oba Femi
Ethan Page
Sol Ruca
Zaria

A lot of fresh faces and matchups.

I'm gonna nit pick you, but let's say you move Cody to RAW. You're moving Rollins to Smackdown, who does Cody face on RAW? You'd have a hard time convincing the masses you're gonna call up Trick/Saints etc and throw them right into the main event, otherwise it's still the same matchups. I think the biggest problem is the main event scene has so many part timers/guys that don't wrestle often that when they're gona it's the same matchups. (So Reigns/Paul/Orton/Punk). They have a fresh face with Jacob Fatu, for instance but are spinning the tires with him right now, they nuked Jey's single run (for now anyways, which was also a fresher face). KO's injury didn't help their depth

Also, LA Knight literally just got moved from Smackdown, I'm not sure how moving him back freshens things up. (Also I don't see him as more than upper midcard, personally).

Guys that have had past momentum like Damian Priest (I know a lot didn't care for him, but he's a solid hand) have had their pushes just destroyed so badly he's not a believable threat anymore. McIntyre since the Punk feud seems to be spinning his tires. I can't say I'll care at all when Gunther comes back. This seems like as good of a time as ever to just end the brand split.

thenightman · 10-09-2025, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I'm gonna nit pick you, but let's say you move Cody to RAW. You're moving Rollins to Smackdown, who does Cody face on RAW?

By all means nitpick. My thought process would be Cody losing the title before he left.

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You'd have a hard time convincing the masses you're gonna call up Trick/Saints etc and throw them right into the main event, otherwise it's still the same matchups.

Why would you put them right into the main event? There's non-title feuds they could be a part of, there are potential tag-teams they can be a part of, there's the intercontinental title they can go after. I'd immediately put Trick/Melo back together and have them as a tag-team to start, I'd have Saints start non-title and then make his way into the inct'l scene.

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I think the biggest problem is the main event scene has so many part timers/guys that don't wrestle often that when they're gona it's the same matchups. (So Reigns/Paul/Orton/Punk). They have a fresh face with Jacob Fatu, for instance but are spinning the tires with him right now, they nuked Jey's single run (for now anyways, which was also a fresher face). KO's injury didn't help their depth

With the moves I'm suggesting, you'd immediately have Knight in the ME scene, you'd have Roman, Fatu, Orton, Priest, Drew, Aleister Black, and Zayn that could all be in the main event and provide fresh feuds.

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Also, LA Knight literally just got moved from Smackdown, I'm not sure how moving him back freshens things up. (Also I don't see him as more than upper midcard, personally).

That's certainly your opinion, but they seem to be pushing him as a main eventer, so put him somewhere where he can actually win the title, but RAW isn't the place.

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Guys that have had past momentum like Damian Priest (I know a lot didn't care for him, but he's a solid hand) have had their pushes just destroyed so badly he's not a believable threat anymore. McIntyre since the Punk feud seems to be spinning his tires. I can't say I'll care at all when Gunther comes back. This seems like as good of a time as ever to just end the brand split.

All it takes is a good feud. Drew hadn't been a believable threat for awhile, until he started feuding with Punk. Then we're getting talk of him beating Cody or beating Cena. It's all in the presentation.

Like I said, I think make RAW the "A" show. Have all the older stars on there, totally fine. Make SD the "B" show. Put all the vets who would never get a title opportunity on RAW onto SD, and put someone like Oba, Dragunov, Theory, and Page there to freshen up the mid-card and groom them to be the future main eventers.

Just one man's take.

PLB9eight · 10-10-2025, 08:22 AM

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So how long will it take until one of you gives up? It's been literal months, and you both look like children, even compared to the average wrestling fan.

Can we just make a thread for them to argue in?

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JustinVerlander07 · 10-10-2025, 10:05 AM

Karrion Kross was on the Chris Van Vliet show recently and listening to it, everything makes more sense now. Him and Scarlett came off quite bad IMO. Probably hard to work with and they did stuff their bosses didn't know about that kept pissing them off. No surprise his lack of push.

mtr · 10-10-2025, 11:22 AM

It became clear that Kross was the problem after they brought back Santos Escobar for more money when he's been in catering most of the year. Kross was feuding with Sami and getting reactions from the crowd before he left so he he must have been a nightmare to work with if they couldn't get a deal done.

Cracktoast · 10-10-2025, 06:25 PM

Wow @ The SD Spoilers

Gurds · 10-10-2025, 10:36 PM

Some NXT releases

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JustinVerlander07 · 10-11-2025, 07:37 AM

And the plot thickens! Jey spearing Roman through a table. Are they building to Roman vs Jey?

JustinVerlander07 · 10-11-2025, 08:47 AM

Cena/Styles is like a parody with Cena using all these different finishing moves.

packman80 · 10-11-2025, 08:53 AM

Match of the year and instant all time classic Styles vs Cena

JustinVerlander07 · 10-11-2025, 08:54 AM

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Match of the year and instant all time classic Styles vs Cena

Strongly disagree. It was fun and the crowd energy was off the charts, but it was basically a parody match (which is fine!)

Anarchy99 · 10-11-2025, 08:55 AM

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Strongly disagree. It was fun and the crowd energy was off the charts, but it was basically a parody match (which is fine!)

awful take

JustinVerlander07 · 10-11-2025, 08:56 AM

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awful take

What's awful about it?

packman80 · 10-11-2025, 08:56 AM

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Strongly disagree. It was fun and the crowd energy was off the charts, but it was basically a parody match (which is fine!)

Was my favorite Cena retirement match so far. Liked it better then Cody vs Cena.

JustinVerlander07 · 10-11-2025, 09:01 AM

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Was my favorite Cena retirement match so far. Liked it better then Cody vs Cena.

I'm assuming you're talking about the Summerslam match? (because the Wrestlemania match stunk). I'd probably have to rewatch. Don't get me wrong, the match was great, the energy from the crowd definitely helps, but to me it felt more like a parody with all the finishing moves (which again, is fine!)

I enjoyed it, though.

Cracktoast · 10-11-2025, 09:01 AM

Reigns needs to go back full mega heel. Turning him face was the absolute worst decision anyone has made. It does feel though like Jey eventually joins The Vision and turns full heel which the crowd will hate but it will be fun watching him do the No Yeet dance every week. lol

Jimmy just needs to take time off be with his wife and new born and come back for Rumble 2027 and start fresh.

JustinVerlander07 · 10-11-2025, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Reigns needs to go back full mega heel. Turning him face was the absolute worst decision anyone has made. It does feel though like Jey eventually joins The Vision and turns full heel which the crowd will hate but it will be fun watching him do the No Yeet dance every week. lol

Jimmy just needs to take time off be with his wife and new born and come back for Rumble 2027 and start fresh.

I just find it hard to believe they'll turn Jey heel with the merchandise sales. Going onto WWE shop right now, of the top 12 shirts for 'best sellers' Jey has 7 of them. It feels like there are a lot of ways they can go though. It seems like it may end up being a Wrestlemania triple threat between Roman/Jey/Jimmy.

packman80 · 10-11-2025, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Reigns needs to go back full mega heel. Turning him face was the absolute worst decision anyone has made. It does feel though like Jey eventually joins The Vision and turns full heel which the crowd will hate but it will be fun watching him do the No Yeet dance every week. lol

Jimmy just needs to take time off be with his wife and new born and come back for Rumble 2027 and start fresh.

Jimmy kid I don't think will be born until like December or Jan so no point in taking off yet. Also he's a guy he's not going to take a year off not like when a women has a kid and needs a year plus off to have the kid and get back into shape. I think Gunther took like 1 or 2 months off this year when his kid was born before he was back at it.

Anarchy99 · 10-11-2025, 09:16 AM

Jimmy IMO would best be served going to AEW or TNA. Let him figure how who he can be without all bloodline stuff.

Cracktoast · 10-11-2025, 09:16 AM

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Jimmy kid I don't think will be born until like December or Jan so no point in taking off yet. Also he's a guy he's not going to take a year off not like when a women has a kid and needs a year plus off to have the kid and get back into shape. I think Gunther took like 1 or 2 months off this year when his kid was born before he was back at it.

I'm not saying he will but I think he should. Right now he's just there to be a body. Nobody cares about him or his character and haven't for a long time. To most fans he's not Jimmy Uso he's Jey's brother or Roman's cousin. He needs a full character overhaul because he has the talent to be a main event guy, but not by being what he his right now.

PLB9eight · 10-11-2025, 09:21 AM

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Strongly disagree. It was fun and the crowd energy was off the charts, but it was basically a parody match (which is fine!)

Fun, off the charts energy, Yeet!

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JustinVerlander07 · 10-11-2025, 10:18 AM

Deep into a match, Cross Rhodes off the top rope and he kicks out? Dumb.

packman80 · 10-11-2025, 10:23 AM

Decent PPV

also 50,000th post in this thread!

Edit: Damm Cathy Kelly fire in that short leather dress.

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