More fakes from China - PMG, Star Rubies, Plat Medallion

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

Real card; fake stamp:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Sky...9/362556739524

You see how much that metal universe MJ base is going for? wow!

[rogermaris]

More cards from the fleer bankruptcy with fake serial numbering:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Skybox...C/352614253363

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Skybox...IAAOSwp91chTz6

[Cookies]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

More cards from the fleer bankruptcy with fake serial numbering:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Skybox...C/352614253363

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Skybox...IAAOSwp91chTz6

Damn those are some big ones too. I hope bidders see this before the end of the auction. Thanks for always being on the look out. I’ve gotta pm you some pictures of a rave I’ve got to make sure the serial numbers are legit.

[Arianny_Fan]

And that is why graded cards are one of the biggest scams in the hobby.

[Kobefan]

I wonder if they can fake the greening in the early 90s chrome cards. If not, the green chrome cards might take off.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

More cards from the fleer bankruptcy with fake serial numbering:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Skybox...C/352614253363

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Skybox...IAAOSwp91chTz6

It's not surprising that both PSA and BGS dropped the ball on these. From what we've seen over the past few months I'd be more surprised if they actually rejected ones with bootleg serial #'s.

But regarding the actual bankruptcy: I've always wondered how unnumbered replacements, prototypes, etc., leaked out after Fleer went belly up. Do we know if these cards came from one main source, were hoarded by employees/executives on the way out the door, or were actually stolen and then sold off to various dealers?

[Donkaylove]

anything with foil on a clear coat would chip-thus whiting out. AAANY white on edges are always too good to be true. A cutter press cuts-downward, the edges are unobtrusive.

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by superdan49

But regarding the actual bankruptcy: I've always wondered how unnumbered replacements, prototypes, etc., leaked out after Fleer went belly up. Do we know if these cards came from one main source, were hoarded by employees/executives on the way out the door, or were actually stolen and then sold off to various dealers?

There was an auction in 2004 after Fleer declared bankruptcy. They were legally mandated to sell all their assets after declaring bankruptcy, despite the fact that it screwed up the entire market.

I seem to remember seeing images from the auction catalogue, but it was a long time ago...

[Kobefan]

This guy again

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-97-Ult...sAAOSw3k9cjoRV

[ragingbull]

Originally Posted by Arianny_Fan

And that is why graded cards are one of the biggest scams in the hobby.

Agreed!

[rogermaris]

Fake Duncan 98-99 Star Ruby currently for sale:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-99-Sky...kAAOSwwKhcjoYy

[bjho852]

Could this MJ Rave from 1998-99 SkyBox Thunder be questionable too?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/163601773781

[stevenhsu]

If possible, can anyone teach me how to identify if the Z-Force Rave is authentic or not?

Thanks

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by bjho852

Could this MJ Rave from 1998-99 SkyBox Thunder be questionable too?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/163601773781

Indeed it is. I hadn't seen that one. Stay away.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

More cards from the fleer bankruptcy with fake serial numbering:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Skybox...C/352614253363

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Skybox...IAAOSwp91chTz6

But... "authenticity verified"...........

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

But... "authenticity verified"...........

Currently trying to get them to take down the listings... we'll see how far I get.

Here's what I sent regarding the Duncan:

[rogermaris]

I had a nice email exchange with PWCC this morning. After reviewing my analysis they have removed both the Duncan Star Rubies and the Jordan Rave from their listings. I'm not sure how they did it but both links now route to an error page. I can't find evidence of the listings ever having existed.

Anyway, props to PWCC for doing the right thing. It's very rare for big auction houses to engage with the community on these sorts of issues, especially when it involves a high profile listing. But the person I spoke to seemed genuinely eager to understand the issue and prevent any fraudulent items from being sold through their service. As someone who has gotten very cynical about this issue, it was refreshing to say the least.

[Ajcollectibles]

Appreciate the work and dedication on this thread. It saved a lot of people from getting scammed. Thanks Rogermaris and everyone who is looking out for the hobby


What I got out of this
- the PMG red and greens are still safe for the most part but there were some unnumbered cards that were numbered.
- BGS slabbed cards, especially later slabbed/higher bgs serial # should still raise some level of caution
- PWCC and PSA cards will sell for premiums because of the measures they are taking

[Cookies]

Originally Posted by Ajcollectibles

Appreciate the work and dedication on this thread. It saved a lot of people from getting scammed. Thanks Rogermaris and everyone who is looking out for the hobby


What I got out of this
- the PMG red and greens are still safe for the most part but there were some unnumbered cards that were numbered.
- BGS slabbed cards, especially later slabbed/higher bgs serial # should still raise some level of caution
- PWCC and PSA cards will sell for premiums because of the measures they are taking

PSA has graded complete fakes and or real cards with fake stamping and maybe still do, but they are working with Brendan (Rogermaris) to try to stop this from happening. BGS has not been working with Brendan. PWCC isn't authenticating anything, they list the items people consign to them, however they removed the items Brendan warned them about being fake. The main lesson you want to get out of this thread is to ask Brendan to verify the the authenticity of the susceptible 90's inserts before buying them - whether they are graded PSA, BGS, or raw.

[Duncancollector]

Is the Duncan rubies 98/99 on eBay a real or a fake card? It is from Taiwan.

[starvela]

Originally Posted by Duncancollector

Is the Duncan rubies 98/99 on eBay a real or a fake card? It is from Taiwan.

see post # 511

[Kobefan]

This looks real, as opposed to the other one on ebay. Can someone confirm this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kobe-Bryant...frcectupt=true

[wallyat]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

More cards from the fleer bankruptcy with fake serial numbering:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Skybox...C/352614253363

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Skybox...IAAOSwp91chTz6

now they don't exist, mission accomplished! :-)

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

This looks real, as opposed to the other one on ebay. Can someone confirm this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kobe-Bryant...frcectupt=true

Is there someone who is knowledgeable and is willing to authenticate cards for nominal fee? I wouldn't mind to pay to authenticate cards in my collection and cards I think I can win on Ebay.

[rogermaris]

Does anyone know who bought this card? From what I can tell, it appears to be fake.

This is the first time I've encountered a questionable card from this set so it would be great to get better scans if possible...