American League MVP

[pewe]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Leave it to pewe to somehow deduce that Ohtani being a two-way player is a negative because that’s two people to replace if he goes down.

Don’t waste your energy talking to him. Every discussion is the same.

Originally Posted by JRX

Its amazing how you cant see that you're proving the point hes more valuable than other players. If a team is hurt more by him going down than any other individual in the game it means hes more valuable than any other player in the game.

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Being more risky doesn't detract from his value when healthy. It just causes the team to be more brittle when he isn't.

As a manager it would certainly need to be a team design consideration. It would be interesting to understand if GMs see it as a net benefit, or net negative to have to deal with.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by pewe

Being more risky doesn't detract from his value when healthy. It just causes the team to be more brittle when he isn't.

As a manager it would certainly need to be a team design consideration. It would be interesting to understand if GMs see it as a net benefit, or net negative to have to deal with.

He provides a unique challenge when it comes to building a team around him and how much you pay him, but right now him getting 5.5M is the greatest deal in maybe all of sports history.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

Ohtani is 2nd in AL now in HR, 4th in RBI, 3rd in SLG, 3rd in OPS, 4th in wRC+, even 25th in avg. He slumped end of last season, but hopefully he doesn't this year.

Oh he's also 3rd in pitching war, t-8 in wins, 1st in k/9, 5th in ERA, 5th in Ks, 2nd in K-BB%

I think Judge will be the mvp because he is standards of deviations beyond any other hitter in terms of home runs this year, but Ohtani is the most remarkable player in all of baseball. He is a cy-young caliber pitcher and a mvp caliber hitter. That's absurd.

He's a lot better than most hitters in the AL beyond just homeruns.

Runs scored: 109; 2nd best is 28 runs behind
Tied for 5th in Hits
6th in average
Homeruns: 54; 2nd best is 22 behind
RBIs: 117; 2nd best is 11 behind
Total Bases: 330; 2nd best is 67 behind
Walks: 80; 2nd best 76
12th in SB
1st in OBP
1st in SLG
1st in OPS
1st in WAR

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

He's a lot better than most hitters in the AL beyond just homeruns.

Runs scored: 109; 2nd best - 81 (28 more runs scored)
Tied for 5th in Hits
6th in average
Homeruns: 54; 2nd best is 22 behind
RBIs: 117; 2nd best is 11 behind
Total Bases: 330; 2nd best is 67 behind
Walks: 80; 2nd best 76
12th in SB
1st in OBP
1st in SLG
1st in OPS
1st in WAR

He's far and away the best hitter in the AL this year. What he's doing compared to the rest of the league is nuts. its the greatest walk year ever.

[caflisch78]

Originally Posted by brios8

True!
Im waiting for Soto though. Hope he fits in next year

Waiting for him to get traded to the AL?

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

He's far and away the best hitter in the AL this year. What he's doing compared to the rest of the league is nuts. its the greatest walk year ever.

And if the Yankees hold on to win the division instead of continuing to collapse, I think the history books will credit the pitching staff and Judge carrying the offense on his back considering his numbers since the collapse began compared to the rest of the offense.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by pewe

Being more risky doesn't detract from his value when healthy. It just causes the team to be more brittle when he isn't.

As a manager it would certainly need to be a team design consideration. It would be interesting to understand if GMs see it as a net benefit, or net negative to have to deal with.

Yes -- Ohtani theoretically provides more downside compared to a player with identical WAR, even though he theoretically provides more benefit.

It's a matter of risk management. That's why teams value depth and try to disperse payroll and production throughout the roster.

But here's the thing, Judge falls into a similar category of risk as Ohtani. The Yankees lineup is very heavily contigent on Judge's production and him staying healthy. The Yankees lineup works because of Judge. The roster was built around him.

[JRX]

In 1932, Jimmie Foxx hit 58HR, Ruth was 2nd with 41. That's how long its been since there's been that kind of disparity between 1st and 2nd overall in mlb. You have to go back to peak Ruth for anything larger. In 1927 and 1928 Ruth hit 23 more HR than 2nd overall in the league. In 1920 and 1921 he led by 35.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by JRX

He provides a unique challenge when it comes to building a team around him and how much you pay him, but right now him getting 5.5M is the greatest deal in maybe all of sports history.

No doubt he is a steal

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

He's a lot better than most hitters in the AL beyond just homeruns.

Runs scored: 109; 2nd best is 28 runs behind
Tied for 5th in Hits
6th in average
Homeruns: 54; 2nd best is 22 behind
RBIs: 117; 2nd best is 11 behind
Total Bases: 330; 2nd best is 67 behind
Walks: 80; 2nd best 76
12th in SB
1st in OBP
1st in SLG
1st in OPS
1st in WAR

He has great volume stats because he's played almost every game and stayed very consistent. It's similar to his 2017 season. One significant difference is his strikeout numbers -- they are much lower this season.

[seanrs1]

I own zero Judge cards and Ohtani is my number 1 PC guy. With that being said both guys are deserving of the MVP award and both are having historical seasons. Judge is likely to break the Yankee/AL home run record (and non steroid era record) and it can be argued Ohtani is both a top 10 pitcher and hitter in MLB (not just the AL). Would be great if there could be CO-MVP's and both guys are very deserving this year.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by rman112

This isn't MVP related, but I thought it was a good place to pile on the Tigers some more.

On May 31, Roger Clemens' son Kody made his MLB debut with the Tigers.

He pitched in relief tonight. It was his 6th outing of the year, and his 2nd in 3 days.

Kody Clemens is not a pitcher.

But Roger never struck out Shotime

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

He has great volume stats because he's played almost every game and stayed very consistent. It's similar to his 2017 season. One significant difference is his strikeout numbers -- they are much lower this season.

Whoever coined this is an idiot.

[shortstopguy12]

I'm not a huge fan of Contenders autos, but his 2017 contenders autos are selling for big amounts. I wonder if that can be sustainable...

[crazy4kinsler]

His stats speak for themselves. And he's on the second best team in the AL. No contest on this race. If the Angels were contending, there might be an argument.

Originally Posted by fulltritty

He's a lot better than most hitters in the AL beyond just homeruns.

Runs scored: 109; 2nd best is 28 runs behind
Tied for 5th in Hits
6th in average
Homeruns: 54; 2nd best is 22 behind
RBIs: 117; 2nd best is 11 behind
Total Bases: 330; 2nd best is 67 behind
Walks: 80; 2nd best 76
12th in SB
1st in OBP
1st in SLG
1st in OPS
1st in WAR

[caflisch78]

Originally Posted by shortstopguy12

I'm not a huge fan of Contenders autos, but his 2017 contenders autos are selling for big amounts. I wonder if that can be sustainable...

It'll work, until he wears another uniform. Then the sellers come out.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

His stats speak for themselves. And he's on the second best team in the AL. No contest on this race. If the Angels were contending, there might be an argument.

So what you're saying is the quality of his teammates is why he should win an individual player based award?

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by crazy4kinsler

His stats speak for themselves. And he's on the second best team in the AL. No contest on this race. If the Angels were contending, there might be an argument.

It is theoretically possible for a hitter to hit a home run during every PA and for their team to go 0-162, losing every game. Extremes can be used to highlight flaws in arguments IMO. Is it safe to say that in this extreme case, the theoretical player who hits 600 bombs is not valuable using your criteria?

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

So what you're saying is the quality of his teammates is why he should win an individual player based award?

My man, we get this argument. Just accept the fact Judge is going to run away with this award.

Disclaimer: I love Asian people.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

My man, we get this argument. Just accept the fact Judge is going to run away with this award.

Disclaimer: I love Asian people.

It's obvious to most. Some just can't handle the truth.

[JRX]

Judge has 16.5% of the team's runs, 25.7% of the team's hr, 18.6% of the team's rbi, and 19% of the team's sb. He's a one man army.

[JRX]

Also the rest of the team sucks. Def not a good setup for the playoffs since if you shut down Judge the Yanks have no chance of winning.

[caflisch78]

Originally Posted by JRX

Judge has 16.5% of the team's runs, 25.7% of the team's hr, 18.6% of the team's rbi, and 19% of the team's sb. He's a one man army.

They don't have any pitching?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by caflisch78

They don't have any pitching?

From an offensive standpoint.

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by JRX

From an offensive standpoint.

He's trolling you. Angels fans have debased themselves to legitimizing and promoting "we have the best player on the crappiest team" argument. We would have sucked 8 games less if Ohtani wasn't here. No one has been able to measure how players fare when literally there is no pressure to win cause your season is over in May. Throw a bonus +5 WAR that Judge is doing this in New York and in the midst of the Yankees' vulnerabilities making headlines every day.