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[Akphillips86]

Ready to get my Zion fix already and the season just ended. What’s everyone’s thoughts on the new coaching hire? I would be lying if I said I knew enough to have an opinion.

I’m ready for a fresh face after watching SVG’s odd rotations and complete lack of game management, but I would be even more excited if they were to get some shooters around Big Z.


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[hairyangryfella]

That Noir tag auto that sold today was the nicest Zion I've ever seen.
Wish the guy had kept it encased rather than break the seal to photograph it, but it was so out of my league I can't really have an opinion on that... ��

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

That Noir tag auto that sold today was the nicest Zion I've ever seen.
Wish the guy had kept it encased rather than break the seal to photograph it, but it was so out of my league I can't really have an opinion on that... ��

Agree, was wanting to make a run at it and didn't. Will likely regret it.

[Spacemanspif]

I was soooo close to putting in a bid above what it went for. Just tough right now dropping that much on a raw card, and I already spent like 6k this weekend (while getting stiffed on a couple big sales). I should have planned it out better and figured out how to make it work

[22emmittfan]

Pelicans trade Eric Bledsoe, Steven Adams to Grizzlies for Jonas Valanciunas in blockbuster deal, per report

This should hopefully create some space for Zion down low and get out from Bledsoe.

[TheKillers11]

Originally Posted by 22emmittfan

Pelicans trade Eric Bledsoe, Steven Adams to Grizzlies for Jonas Valanciunas in blockbuster deal, per report

This should hopefully create some space for Zion down low and get out from Bledsoe.

Thank God. I like this deal a lot. Bledsoe was dead weight, and Adams underperformed big time. Needed a change.

Hopefully, the first of a few moves…


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[Spacemanspif]

wow. this seems to benefit NOLA in multiple ways and only gets Memphis a pick swap this year and a future Lakers pick? I'll take it!

[JRuck504]

Huge !!

2 bad contracts out the door for my Pels.

[bigjbasketball]

What a horrible trade for the Grizzlies, I can’t believe they agreed to that. Jonas was one of their most consistent players last year. But it’s great news for the Pelicans! They picked up a nice big and dumped their two worst contracts, so they should have some cap room to add some nice players or maybe give an extension to Lonzo.

[DiamondDonovan]

Pelicans definitely came out on top of this one! Frees up some $$$ to resign Lonzo or pursue another free agent. I will not miss seeing games where Bledsoe shoots brick after brick...plus this opens up the rotation for Nickeil and Kira Lewis who are promising.

JV is also a very solid center who can score and rebound well. He is on the last year of his contract and will be a UFA though; maybe Memphis figured they are better off trading him now and upgrading their picks rather then letting him walk.

[StrongandFree86]

If anyone is looking for an Optic auto, I just dropped the price on my Purple Stars PSA 9 in the B/S/T section. I like the card a lot but already have a Blue in my PC.

[mossoholic]

Pelicans are basically trading Bledsoe and Adams, a 1st rounder, and 2 bad pick swaps this draft for 1 year of Jonas Valanciunas. This on a team that has no chance to go anywhere in the 2021-22 season without a massive free agent signing/trade that won't happen. Now if they sign Valanciunas to a long term deal then obviously that changes things. If he was already signed for a few more seasons at under $20 million per I'd say it's a good trade. But if Pelicans don't resign him this is a bad trade for the Pelicans. If Valanciunas has this good of a year again someone will offer him $25-30 million a year. Which I doubt on a young team growing the Pels would match or exceed. How is this a good trade for the Pelicans?

I could be wrong but I would think if the Pelicans just wanted to give away those 2 guys to free up the money they could have done it without giving up those picks. Someone would have taken a chance on Bledsoe. He's had too many solid seasons and is only 31.

[PSA2Pac]

Whoa!


[QUOTE=DiamondDonovan;17526920! Frees up some $$$ to resign Lonzo or pursue another free agent. I will not miss seeing games where Bledsoe shoots brick after brick...plus this opens up the rotation for Nickeil and Kira Lewis who are promising..[/QUOTE]

Yessirrrr

[hairyangryfella]

Hate it hate it hate it.

Yes, get rid of Bledsoe, but is the rest of it really worth it?

I also really enjoyed tuning in to see my two favourite big men on the same team...

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

If anyone is looking for an Optic auto, I just dropped the price on my Purple Stars PSA 9 in the B/S/T section. I like the card a lot but already have a Blue in my PC.

It's my dream card but I just can't with that auto. Should have complained to Panini when it was received.

[rippev]

What are the Grizz thinking in that trade?
Pels made out like bandits.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

What a horrible trade for the Grizzlies, I can’t believe they agreed to that. Jonas was one of their most consistent players last year. But it’s great news for the Pelicans! They picked up a nice big and dumped their two worst contracts, so they should have some cap room to add some nice players or maybe give an extension to Lonzo.

Val is amazing and a beast, but they obviously believe in JJJ and Adams is a nice consolation prize.

I think it's great for NO especially though as I think their ceiling is a bit higher.

Nice move by both here.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Pelicans are basically trading Bledsoe and Adams, a 1st rounder, and 2 bad pick swaps this draft for 1 year of Jonas Valanciunas. This on a team that has no chance to go anywhere in the 2021-22 season without a massive free agent signing/trade that won't happen. Now if they sign Valanciunas to a long term deal then obviously that changes things. If he was already signed for a few more seasons at under $20 million per I'd say it's a good trade. But if Pelicans don't resign him this is a bad trade for the Pelicans. If Valanciunas has this good of a year again someone will offer him $25-30 million a year. Which I doubt on a young team growing the Pels would match or exceed. How is this a good trade for the Pelicans?

I could be wrong but I would think if the Pelicans just wanted to give away those 2 guys to free up the money they could have done it without giving up those picks. Someone would have taken a chance on Bledsoe. He's had too many solid seasons and is only 31.

Well said, people saying it's a horrific trade don't understand the finer details.

In saying that, NO had to make a move to get better to keep Zion happy.

They have a very solid team now that could possibly become a top 6 West team now.

Val
Zion
Ingram

is an incredible front line.

I hope they keep Lonzo. Got a lot going for them and I'd hope Val can stay happy, but I don't think they're worried about Adams and Bledsoe, the picks? Maybe they could hurt, but this team needs to win games next season or the vultures will be circling for Zion.

[TheKillers11]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Well said, people saying it's a horrific trade don't understand the finer details.

In saying that, NO had to make a move to get better to keep Zion happy.

They have a very solid team now that could possibly become a top 6 West team now.

Val
Zion
Ingram

is an incredible front line.

I hope they keep Lonzo. Got a lot going for them and I'd hope Val can stay happy, but I don't think they're worried about Adams and Bledsoe, the picks? Maybe they could hurt, but this team needs to win games next season or the vultures will be circling for Zion.

Agree with this. I hope David Griffin and NO realize that getting a Zion is beyond a once in a generation type of thing. They have to shift to a win now mode to keep the big boi entertained. Zion is too good (and will continue to get better) not to be gumbo-ing in the playoffs.


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[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Pelicans are basically trading Bledsoe and Adams, a 1st rounder, and 2 bad pick swaps this draft for 1 year of Jonas Valanciunas. This on a team that has no chance to go anywhere in the 2021-22 season without a massive free agent signing/trade that won't happen. Now if they sign Valanciunas to a long term deal then obviously that changes things. If he was already signed for a few more seasons at under $20 million per I'd say it's a good trade. But if Pelicans don't resign him this is a bad trade for the Pelicans. If Valanciunas has this good of a year again someone will offer him $25-30 million a year. Which I doubt on a young team growing the Pels would match or exceed. How is this a good trade for the Pelicans?

I could be wrong but I would think if the Pelicans just wanted to give away those 2 guys to free up the money they could have done it without giving up those picks. Someone would have taken a chance on Bledsoe. He's had too many solid seasons and is only 31.

I think you are indeed wrong. The Bledsoe and Adams contracts are bad, and you’d have to pay someone to get rid of them. Getting a productive player in return is a bonus, hence the view that they won the trade

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I think you are indeed wrong. The Bledsoe and Adams contracts are bad, and you’d have to pay someone to get rid of them. Getting a productive player in return is a bonus, hence the view that they won the trade

Not sure how accurate it is but according to ESPN and Hoops Hype 50 players in 2020-21 will make over $20 million. 57 will be paid more than Eric Bledsoe for 2021-22. That's just the players with contracts right now. If you really think there isn't an NBA team that will take a guy that was productive for many years at only 31 years old on what is essentially a 1 year contract for under $20 million I have no idea what to tell you. Again Bledsoe's 2022-23 contract barely any of it is guaranteed. So if he is awful and it wasn't just a one year thing the team can release him and pay barely any of his 2022-23 salary. $20 million may be a bunch to you and me but in the NBA $20 million per year is not much for a guy that has been productive.

You think these 2 contracts are bad? Look at John Wall's contract. If this is what a team has to give up to get rid of these 2 contracts what would Houston have to give up for someone to take John Wall's contract? 4 1st round picks?

If Valanciunas gets resigned and is great sure this makes sense for the Pelicans. If they don't resign him you're giving up picks and players for a 1 year rental on a team going nowhere this season.

With the #10 pick in the draft you could get a nice asset. I know the Lakers pick will probably be in the late 20s but it's still a 1st round pick that is an asset. I know it's not looked at as much but why are the Pels swapping the 40th pick for the 51st too? I highly doubt Memphis would have pulled out of the trade based on a 2nd round pick swap.

If I'm Zion I'm counting down the days until I can leave. The last thing you want to be in the NBA is average. The Pelicans should want young players with big upside to go around Zion. Unless you can get a big star which doesn't look like it will happen this year. They said on ESPN today Pelicans may use that money they are saving to sign Kyle Lowry at $25-$30 million a year. Great sign a guy that's gonna be 36 this year on a 3 year contract for $75-90 million. If they sign Lowry and have basically what they have now Pels are at best a #6 seed in the West with no chance of winning a title. Then after this year they will be trying to dump Lowry's contract just like they did with Bledsoe this year. Will be even more hilarious if they give Lonzo Ball $20+ million a year to stay. 4 years $80+ or 5 years $100+ million. Cause Lonzo, Ingram, and Zion has worked so well at the end of games.

http://www.espn.com/nba/salaries/_/page/2/seasontype/4 (Pretty sure 1 player in the top 50 is wrong here)

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

[brock]

I finally caved and bought a Zion Silver prizm PSA 10... under $2,800 with taxes...

am I crazy?

[90skid]

Originally Posted by brock

I finally caved and bought a Zion Silver prizm PSA 10... under $2,800 with taxes...

am I crazy?

That's really nice, but if it were me I probably would have found a really good BGS 9.5 and spent a lot less for the same card. Eventually crack and send to PSA if you wanted it in the PSA slab.

[maj78]

Originally Posted by brock

I finally caved and bought a Zion Silver prizm PSA 10... under $2,800 with taxes...

am I crazy?

I don't think you're crazy at all. That's a really good price. This card was a $5K card not that long ago and while it may not get back there anytime real soon I could easily see it getting back up to $4K in short order.

Most people on the BO boards tend to say to stay away from Prizm and go with #'d Chronicles instead for a middle of the pack Zion card. While I love #'d Chronicles myself for PC purposes, if you go to shows or get on IG and mention Chronicles most people run, not walk, the other way. IMHO, Prizm Silver's are still the most popular Zion mid-range card on the market.

Congrats on a great pick up!

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Not sure how accurate it is but according to ESPN and Hoops Hype 50 players in 2020-21 will make over $20 million. 57 will be paid more than Eric Bledsoe for 2021-22. That's just the players with contracts right now. If you really think there isn't an NBA team that will take a guy that was productive for many years at only 31 years old on what is essentially a 1 year contract for under $20 million I have no idea what to tell you. Again Bledsoe's 2022-23 contract barely any of it is guaranteed. So if he is awful and it wasn't just a one year thing the team can release him and pay barely any of his 2022-23 salary. $20 million may be a bunch to you and me but in the NBA $20 million per year is not much for a guy that has been productive.

You think these 2 contracts are bad? Look at John Wall's contract. If this is what a team has to give up to get rid of these 2 contracts what would Houston have to give up for someone to take John Wall's contract? 4 1st round picks?

If Valanciunas gets resigned and is great sure this makes sense for the Pelicans. If they don't resign him you're giving up picks and players for a 1 year rental on a team going nowhere this season.

With the #10 pick in the draft you could get a nice asset. I know the Lakers pick will probably be in the late 20s but it's still a 1st round pick that is an asset. I know it's not looked at as much but why are the Pels swapping the 40th pick for the 51st too? I highly doubt Memphis would have pulled out of the trade based on a 2nd round pick swap.

If I'm Zion I'm counting down the days until I can leave. The last thing you want to be in the NBA is average. The Pelicans should want young players with big upside to go around Zion. Unless you can get a big star which doesn't look like it will happen this year. They said on ESPN today Pelicans may use that money they are saving to sign Kyle Lowry at $25-$30 million a year. Great sign a guy that's gonna be 36 this year on a 3 year contract for $75-90 million. If they sign Lowry and have basically what they have now Pels are at best a #6 seed in the West with no chance of winning a title. Then after this year they will be trying to dump Lowry's contract just like they did with Bledsoe this year. Will be even more hilarious if they give Lonzo Ball $20+ million a year to stay. 4 years $80+ or 5 years $100+ million. Cause Lonzo, Ingram, and Zion has worked so well at the end of games.

http://www.espn.com/nba/salaries/_/page/2/seasontype/4 (Pretty sure 1 player in the top 50 is wrong here)

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

I mean... if you're out here defending Eric Bledsoe's $20M and him being "only 31 years old" is an ok thing to have on your roster, we're just not going to see eye to eye on this. But you are right on the 2022-23 thing, they could save some money by cutting him, but it's still going to leave some dead cap, and again, he's a horrible player at this point and wouldn't be surprised if the Pels backcourt improves simply by removing him and giving more PT to NAW and Kira. I don't care about how bad John Wall's contract is, or any other bad contract for that matter. If I'm the Pelicans and trying to be the best I can be, I shouldn't be looking for the worst possible situations and patting myself on the back for not being in their shoes.

The pick swap is only 7 picks down in the middle of the draft, which is generally a crapshoot anyway. Jonas being better than both players they jettisoned is a bonus, because the whole point from a teambuilding standpoint was to get rid of those bad contracts to make way for bringing in actual talent to put around Zion. If they don't re-sign Jonas, who cares? The whole point was to dump the Adams and Bledsoe deals for flexibility, bringing back a highly productive player in the short term is just a bonus.

I wouldn't bring in Lowry, because I feel like that's a "last piece" move and they're not at that point yet. If you feel like Lowry is over the hill at 36, but Bledsoe still has room to improve at 31... what exactly does your idea of a career arc look like? I also wouldn't bring back Lonzo, and would trade Ingram for a more complete perimeter player, but kinda think they will keep both. Either way, this move should make them better in both the short term, and long term