2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Did a nerve get touched?

This is where you always take the conversation. It has to become personal with you. That exposes character very quickly.

I asked very politely about the baker/ photographer thing and got the typical "what about" non-answer.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by cnewby

No worries, won't last much longer.

Perfect example post right here....its truly disappointing.

Just sad...

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

This is where you always take the conversation. It has to become personal with you. That exposes character very quickly.

I asked very politely about the baker/ photographer thing and got the typical "what about" non-answer.

I do not believe, anyone in their right minds would be celebrating an abortion.
With that said, people do have a right to cater to people who want to use their business - however, it has come to pass that when this happens, one or both sides blow up and all hell breaks loose.

I remember a time when communication was key to success, now it is who can get it on social media the fastest.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

This is where you always take the conversation. It has to become personal with you. That exposes character very quickly.



I asked very politely about the baker/ photographer thing and got the typical "what about" non-answer.

I thought my answer to that question was complete. Yes, it included whatabout, but that was just to show that I thought the question/answer led us to a slippery slope. It was at that point that you decided to come at my "I'm not sure exactly" answer as if I was trying to say people aren't allowed to be religious.

You asked one civil question. Yes. Nicely done.

Moving on....



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[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Cute, but it's interesting that you aren't sure how to respond.

Same could be said about the other threads you ran from when you were called out from about 10 other posters.

Dont worry your safe here...in the land of ignorance.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I do not believe, anyone in their right minds would be celebrating an abortion.

I don't either, but that is more comparable than her example of refusing service to someone who had an abortion. It's not about who the person is, but what they want written on the cake.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Umm, yes.

I said that earlier. I do not know if their problem is medical or mental. I do not know if they are all the same either.

Medical problems require medical solutions. (By the way, that was the crux of the supreme court case on the issue a while back.) Medical solutions could involve surgery, partial surgery, hormone therapy, or whatever.

If it is deemed to be a mental health issue (which it was not, btw), then the solution is psychological or psychiatric rather than surgical or medical.

I do not know which it is. I do know that both require some form of care, thus some form of health insurance.

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All leave it at this, if the solution was medical, I think suicide rates would be lower. It's available, why is the rates so high? I think as a society we aren't treating it properly. I'm not trying to be a dick to be a dick. I actually think they need help and people are so afraid of hurting people's feelings these days they can't look past it. I'm sure this doesn't apply to every case, but I'm afraid where mental health is going to go. Soon we're going to tell sally that it's okay to cut her wrists. Either body deformation is a sign of depression or it's not.

The reason I keep bringing back the difference between how you express yourself and how you deform yourself is because I think there is a big distinction. Express yourself how ever you like. That shows that society is more inclusive and it also means that you feel safe. The minute you feel you need to deform yourself, that means you aren't comfortable with yourself which is a huge sign of depression.

I'm seriously not trying to be a dick I'm genuinely concerned about this population and I don't think the left is giving them the attention they need.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I thought my answer to that question was complete. Yes, it included whatabout, but that was just to show that I thought the question/answer led us to a slippery slope. It was at that point that you decided to come at my "I'm not sure exactly" answer as if I was trying to say people aren't allowed to be religious.

It shows that you couldn't answer the original question. The response is always "would you be okay if they refused to serve a black person???" Well, that's not what they're doing, so no.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I don't either, but that is more comparable than her example of refusing service to someone who had an abortion. It's not about who the person is, but what they want written on the cake.

It wasn't so much an example, as a question. The question is where we draw the line. My answer was I don't know. There are many potential situations I haven't considered.

Does that clarify?

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Same could be said about the other threads you ran from when you were called out from about 10 other posters.

Dont worry your safe here...in the land of ignorance.

*you're

Ran from? I don't stay here for 12 straight hours on a Saturday like some people, and I don't always check back to see what responses the idiots came back with.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Same could be said about the other threads you ran from when you were called out from about 10 other posters.

Dont worry your safe here...in the land of ignorance.

What's typical, though, is that you don't even pretend to talk about issues. It's just a place to argue.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

All leave it at this, if the solution was medical, I think suicide rates would be lower. It's available, why is the rates so high? I think as a society we aren't treating it properly. I'm not trying to be a dick to be a dick. I actually think they need help and people are so afraid of hurting people's feelings these days they can't look past it. I'm sure this doesn't apply to every case, but I'm afraid where mental health is going to go. Soon we're going to tell sally that it's okay to cut her wrists. Either body deformation is a sign of depression or it's not.



The reason I keep bringing back the difference between how you express yourself and how you deform yourself is because I think there is a big distinction. Express yourself how ever you like. That shows that society is more inclusive and it also means that you feel safe. The minute you feel you need to deform yourself, that means you aren't comfortable with yourself which is a huge sign of depression.



I'm seriously not trying to be a dick I'm genuinely concerned about this population and I don't think the left is giving them the attention they need.

I understand completely. Again, I'm no expert at this.

My first instinct is to allow people, in conjunction with their doctors/psychiatrists, to make their own decisions about their own bodies. And I would add that public health care providers and insurers should treat them the same as everyone else.

I don't know what else to add, really.

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[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

*you're

Ran from? I don't stay here for 12 straight hours on a Saturday like some people, and I don't always check back to see what responses the idiots came back with.

Sure thing....dont worry wont be quoting anything you post anymore. Maybe I can be the lucky one and you can do the same.

But you’ll get the last post im certain of it.

Congrats on joining the grammar force!

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

It shows that you couldn't answer the original question. The response is always "would you be okay if they refused to serve a black person???" Well, that's not what they're doing, so no.

Yeah, that's my response. The reason I feel that way is because I see little difference in the legalities between discrimination against blacks and discrimination against LGBTQ.


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[cnewby]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Perfect example post right here....its truly disappointing.

Just sad...

Thanks for sharing!

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Yeah, that's my response. The reason I feel that way is because I see little difference in the legalities between discrimination against blacks and discrimination against LGBTQ.


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But, despite not seeing the difference, you're willing to dictate policy for those who do see a difference.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I look at it this way:

There is quite obviously a very important difference between a pre-op transgender person and a normal (for lack of the proper word) person. The transperson feels like their mind and body aren't the same sex. They feel like instead of a hoohoo, they should have a hoohah...or whatever.

That is either due to a medical birth defect or a mental health issue. I am not sure which. But either way, medical care of some sort is required. Why would we treat them differently in terms of health care when it is obvious that they need health care? How is it different than a disease or a birth defect or schizophrenia or any other medical/mental health problem?

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The "proper word" that you're looking for is 'cisgender.'

It should also be stated, not all transgender people get medical intervention, far fewer actually end up with gender reassignment surgery (IE: 'bottom surgery').

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I don't either, but that is more comparable than her example of refusing service to someone who had an abortion. It's not about who the person is, but what they want written on the cake.

Originally Posted by JustRachel

It wasn't so much an example, as a question. The question is where we draw the line. My answer was I don't know. There are many potential situations I haven't considered.

Does that clarify?

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Maybe my all-too-simple solution for all of this is to allow business owners to serve (or not serve) whoever they want.

Easy criticism for the above, "But what about if the business is denying service based on a protected class?"

Answer: Let the market be the market. If business A is not serving a certain populous of a community, then it is my right to take my patronage elsewhere. This would create a wonderful opportunity for an aspiring entrepreneur or related business to offer similar products/services to the portion of the community that business A refuses to serve.

People LOVE making money... if there is a portion of the market that is being under served and a business has an opportunity to swoop in and steal market share, I believe 100% there would be plenty willing to accept the dollars from the people business A decided not to serve.

[jstephens24]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Love is the answer.



Blowout investigators will be in touch with you shortly.
Please answer their questions honestly and to the best of your ability.

I’m sure they will be

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

But, despite not seeing the difference, you're willing to dictate policy for those who do see a difference.

No. I'm not. Did I say that? I am not running for office.

I'm not sure why you think people are out to get you. I'm not. I never was. I simply don't care enough either way to put effort into it.

I don't care if you or anyone else sees a difference. I am not a baker. The case doesn't affect me. You asked my opinion, I gave some of it, you didn't like it. That's all.

Courts will dictate this policy. Actually, they already have. They decided against your side. Trump's administration is trying to get the issue back into court on appeal. I have nothing to do with any of it other than having an undereducated opinion that doesn't even matter. I am not an attorney arguing one side or the other.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by discostu

The "proper word" that you're looking for is 'cisgender.'



It should also be stated, not all transgender people get medical intervention, far fewer actually end up with gender reassignment surgery (IE: 'bottom surgery').

Thank you. Cisgender is now added to my toolbox of diction. : )


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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

Maybe my all-too-simple solution for all of this is to allow business owners to serve (or not serve) whoever they want.



Easy criticism for the above, "But what about if the business is denying service based on a protected class?"



Answer: Let the market be the market. If business A is not serving a certain populous of a community, then it is my right to take my patronage elsewhere. This would create a wonderful opportunity for an aspiring entrepreneur or related business to offer similar products/services to the portion of the community that business A refuses to serve.



People LOVE making money... if there is a portion of the market that is being under served and a business has an opportunity to swoop in and steal market share, I believe 100% there would be plenty willing to accept the dollars from the people business A decided not to serve.

I think I agree here in principle about letting businesses do what they want, with one exception...government or public institutions.

But I can see a lot of trouble coming if we allow businesses to decide to offer Whites Only Pies.

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

No. I'm not. Did I say that? I am not running for office.

I'm not sure why you think people are out to get you. I'm not. I never was. I simply don't care enough either way to put effort into it.

I don't care if you or anyone else sees a difference. I am not a baker. The case doesn't affect me. You asked my opinion, I gave some of it, you didn't like it. That's all.

Courts will dictate this policy. Actually, they already have. They decided against your side. Trump's administration is trying to get the issue back into court on appeal. I have nothing to do with any of it other than having an undereducated opinion that doesn't even matter. I am not an attorney arguing one side or the other.

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You listed it in your "Trump is out to get them" post. But you weren't even sure what it was about.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I think I agree here in principle about letting businesses do what they want, with one exception...government or public institutions.

But I can see a lot of trouble coming if we allow businesses to decide to offer Whites Only Pies.

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Trust me, in this climate, they will be out of business in a week. That's the great thing about this society's thinking. Photographer doesn't want to do gay ceremonies take that bastard to twitter and watch how fast he closes up.

People have the right to religious freedom, they're just idiots to enforcing it. I say let them burn if that's how they run their business and I'm a Catholic.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

But I can see a lot of trouble coming if we allow businesses to decide to offer Whites Only Pies.

We get it. If we allow a baker to deny a cake celebrating adultery, they might start denying blacks.