Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[1977 Cloth]

Originally Posted by WhoKilledTupac

Vides and Efdot Trout’s came in on the same day I think a few days ago.



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This is a great image of what the project should look like. Now if you could just hide the Fucci a little better.

[26TagOut]

Originally Posted by WhoKilledTupac

Vides and Efdot Trout’s came in on the same day I think a few days ago.



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Love it! Didn't even notice Grotesk rotated the image until now. Reminds me of the Beck Ripken.

[AirplaneDon]

Originally Posted by efdot

Thanks for all the love on the Clemente card. I know I don't need to justify every design decision, but I'll let you in on why I chose to deviate so much from the original card.

With my cards, I'm now trying to create a piece that captures what the player means to me, while paying homage to the original card. This might be my only opportunity to make a Roberto Clemente card, so I'll make it as meaningful as possible.

I know Roberto didn't care about landscape vs horizontal, or one image vs another, so neither do I. It's more important to me, personally, to capture the feeling of the player than to please the card collector purists.

In addition, the original Roberto card had two very blurry/pixellated images that were significant, but very hard to work with, in the way that I imagine the card would look.

I'm very curious how each artist views the "spirit of the set". And it's nice to have this reference point from EfDot. If anything, I really feel like more artists could take more liberties and emphasize their interpretation a lot more. We have Naturel and Vides already staying extremely true to the original card. Several other staying extremely true to the image. Others staying true to graphic design elements. Come on boys and girls, let's get wild down the stretch.

[WhoKilledTupac]

Originally Posted by 1977 Cloth

This is a great image of what the project should look like. Now if you could just hide the Fucci a little better.

Fucci, haha. I don't have any more room on my walls in this room and I cannot think of a better way of displaying these, yet. The mini easels are nice but do not allow for the cards in the back to be shown so I made stairs with some cassette tapes I have for now.
I am going to run out of room pretty quick with Ermsy, Keith Shore and Trout displays, these are actually on top of my record shelf. Have not found anywhere to display the Don C set yet.

[WhoKilledTupac]

Originally Posted by AirplaneDon

I'm very curious how each artist views the "spirit of the set". And it's nice to have this reference point from EfDot. If anything, I really feel like more artists could take more liberties and emphasize their interpretation a lot more. We have Naturel and Vides already staying extremely true to the original card. Several other staying extremely true to the image. Others staying true to graphic design elements. Come on boys and girls, let's get wild down the stretch.

Keith Shore went "wild" and people hated it. I loved it.

[Oliroller]

Just curious 1977 Cloth, since you seem to be so set on honoring that original card, why did you use two artists as examples who did not maintain the horizontal landscape of the Koufax card they were asked to redesign? Is that part unimportant to you?

[cavsfan70]

I sent a bunch of "Bubble Cards" to PSA today. I think I sent 7 Griffey Shores -- centering looked off on 3 of them (that I didn't send).

Will report when I get them back in February - March :P

[AirplaneDon]

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

Don, greetings from Bucharest! I'm looking forward to Mr. WillieMaysHayes unveiling of the Blowout P2020 emerging artist cards when his exhibition is ready in the near future.

Will Kurtz's Clemente be traditionalist? Post-modern? A collage? A painting? I'm looking forward to the virtual museum of cards by twenty compatriots!

It's 9:15 PM here, the filming went well today and I finally got in before 11PM. Ciao!

Hope you're doing well. Looking forward to your card. At some point I'm going to do a card with pastels (chalk) and graphite as I always enjoyed working with them back when I still dabbled with art (I was always technically proficient, but I lacked a vision and point of view). Hoping the holidays bring some spare time to try to see if I have remembered anything.

[AirplaneDon]

Originally Posted by WhoKilledTupac

Keith Shore went "wild" and people hated it. I loved it.

No way, that Trout card had all the graphic design elements of the original. That was in the spirit of the set even by Cloth's standards (though he'll never admit it) as it is immediately recognizable to the card it is based on (RC, name, team) despite featuring a haircut. I need the wild turned up to 11.

[WhoKilledTupac]

Originally Posted by cavsfan70

I sent a bunch of "Bubble Cards" to PSA today. I think I sent 7 Griffey Shores -- centering looked off on 3 of them (that I didn't send).

Will report when I get them back in February - March :P

I have thought about doing the same with the Shore Griffey cards but sending half to PSA and the others to BGS.

Out of curiosity did you open them and look at the surfaces or inspect corners prior to sending? Any issues? I wonder at the ones I see on ebay that came back at PSA/BGS 7 or 8 what happened to them.

[1977 Cloth]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

Just curious 1977 Cloth, since you seem to be so set on honoring that original card, why did you use two artists as examples who did not maintain the horizontal landscape of the Koufax card they were asked to redesign? Is that part unimportant to you?

That part is unimportant to me. You are correct. I think changing the orientation of a card is a great way to reimagine it. Personally I would have probably stuck with the orientation the card originally had, but I don't mind that at all.

I actually collect the 1955 set, and it and 56 are some of the only cards I like in a landscape orientation, but the more I look at Stadium Club this year the more I understand that orientation can do a lot for an image.

Turning a card on end was expected. Swapping images when two existed makes perfect sense. Making the images with new and exciting colors and backgrounds I love. Again, it is not the iconic player that is the crux of this project. It is the iconic card.

I can tell that what I am saying is falling on deaf ears. When that happens, it is likely not the listeners, but the speakers that is off base. I will let well enough alone. I am wrong and I am sorry I ever brought it up.

[1977 Cloth]

Originally Posted by AirplaneDon

No way, that Trout card had all the graphic design elements of the original. That was in the spirit of the set even by Cloth's standards (though he'll never admit it) as it is immediately recognizable to the card it is based on (RC, name, team) despite featuring a haircut. I need the wild turned up to 11.

I will not admit that. For once we agree.

[cavsfan70]

Originally Posted by WhoKilledTupac

I have thought about doing the same with the Shore Griffey cards but sending half to PSA and the others to BGS.

Out of curiosity did you open them and look at the surfaces or inspect corners prior to sending? Any issues? I wonder at the ones I see on ebay that came back at PSA/BGS 7 or 8 what happened to them.

I opened up most of them and inspected them, put them in a larger card saver. Some of them, I left in the mags because I ran out of savers... I think I sent about 30 P2020 cards.

[ThoseBackPages]

Shore Griffey PSA 10s will do well

[WhoKilledTupac]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Shore Griffey PSA 10s will do well

I would love to have one as well as one signed by KS.

[Shinjoy]

Originally Posted by AirplaneDon

No way, that Trout card had all the graphic design elements of the original. That was in the spirit of the set even by Cloth's standards (though he'll never admit it) as it is immediately recognizable to the card it is based on (RC, name, team) despite featuring a haircut. I need the wild turned up to 11.

The number of cards where the original was TOTALLY blown up is very low (<5%): Oldmanalan's Thomas, Gwynn, and Koufax, Cartoon's Mattingly, McGwire, and Trout, Saladeen's McGwire, Fucci's Trout, Baller's Mariano, and I think that's it? [AND Fucci's Ted]

I'm surprised more people haven't blown up the same card, since some of them deserve to be blown up more than others (<cough> 1990 Topps Frank Thomas)

The Fucci card was the most baffling: that card would've worked better if he took his background but used the original image. And the Cartoon Jackie is confusing to me on many levels.

I do _prefer_ if the card does something creative under the constraint of using elements of both the original picture and design. To me, that requires the most skill and sickest technique, if done well (like writing an interesting novel without the letter "e").

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

Your adjutant is doing a fine job.

Is he though?

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by WhoKilledTupac

No. Just a bunch of Henry's and Sally's having fun.

How much fun?

[dodgersinfinity]

Tyson Beck just tweeted that his next card will be Trout!

[ObanMontecristo]

1977 Cloth kind of hit on what my original expectations were for the set...for example, it was not for the artists to make “A” Roberto Clemente card, it was to make a new, fresh version of the iconic ‘55 Topps Roberto Clemente card. For me, the image is usually the focal point of the card, although some aspects of the original design, such as orientation, could be part of it too. A lot of artists have managed to stay loyal to the original card, while at the same time, apply a lot of creativity to make them different and very unique.

All of that said, it looked pretty clear early on that some of the artists were not going with the same interpretation, which is probably one of the big reasons I’ve been gravitating towards collecting more of the artist sets rather than the player sets. I do like how a full set will have something in common, tying everything together. So I’ve kind of just accepted it and moved on. I’ve been collecting the Clemente set, which already lost the cohesion several cards ago, so I’ll enjoy Efdot’s card more as part of his artist set. It is a sharp looking card.

I still don’t ‘get’ what certain artists are doing (OMA and Vides, most notably), but that’s OK. If others are enjoying them, to each their own....

[ThoseBackPages]

Vides will be the layman collectors "gateway drug" into P2020

his sharpie is easy to see and understand, its comfortable

[mudflap02]

All caught up and I'm here to say

My name's mudflap in a major way

We got spirit yes we do

We got spirit how bout you

[mudflap02]

I like scrolling through the posts in one window from a week ago, and the archives with PR's in another. I like to be able to catch the details you guys notice that I miss out on the first time around. Feels good knowing I bought all of these (I think?)

Every time I think I have a cute snide remark, you guys are there like 4 posts later. Hope everybody grabbed a Willie who was curious about them.

[WhoKilledTupac]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Vides will be the layman collectors "gateway drug" into P2020

his sharpie is easy to see and understand, its comfortable

Wondering how PSA/BGS will grade his obviously-crooked-black-outside border lines.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by WhoKilledTupac

Wondering how PSA/BGS will grade his obviously-crooked-black-outside border lines.

good call!