2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Onions]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Have you read any of this or even know what you're talking about?

None of this is about mail in ballots, these are people who went and voted early in person. But instead of going inside a building, this county allowed them to do it in their cars in basically a drive thru method and the GOP is now trying to have those votes thrown out.

So how is it on these people for not having their vote counted now? They went in person, before election day, to a way that their local government set up, approved, and was approved all the way through the State Supreme Court.

Tell me how they put their vote being counted in someone else's hands that they shouldn't have trusted?

Nope. Thought we were talking about PA statewide wanting to count votes for 2 weeks after election day. Have not seen a story about what you are describing. If we are talking about 1 single county in PA, that is probably why. I am sure they will get it ironed out.

Edit: I will take a link if you've got one.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Has this drama been discussed yet?
Seriously?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sta...emplate=ampart

Is there video of them trying to run them off the road? I saw the second or third video where I thought at first that's what it was. Then I noticed it was actually the white SUV that drifted into the other lane by several feet and almost hit the truck and the guy in the truck appears to force the guy back in his lane.

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong?

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Onions

Nope. Thought we were talking about PA statewide wanting to count votes for 2 weeks after election day. Have not seen a story about what you are describing. If we are talking about 1 single county in PA, that is probably why. I am sure they will get it ironed out.

This isn't 1 county in PA, it's Harris County in Texas, the third most populated county in America where there were 127K votes already submitted that the GOP is trying to have thrown out.

This isn't a small thing by any means, and there is nothing to "iron out" as these are votes have been cast already. There is not compromise to make to "iron this out," there is only whether they count or not and one side is actively trying to have them thrown out.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...t-ballots.html

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by mike1498

The king of deflections would know best....

To be fair to yourself you have started deflecting less than before. I've been meaning to ask, how's that paper you're writing Dr?

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Is there video of them trying to run them off the road? I saw the second or third video where I thought at first that's what it was. Then I noticed it was actually the white SUV that drifted into the other lane by several feet and almost hit the truck and the guy in the truck appears to force the guy back in his lane.

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong?

The white car was directly behind the bus...its the campaign follow-car. The Biden bus tries to get in the middle lane, follow car tries and succeeds but the truck in front of the bus blocks the bus in...then the other truck blocks re-entry of the follow car and sideswipes it. “No more BS”...right?
Like I said before...none of this surprises me...Trumpers gonna Trump.

[zonacats8]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...t-ballots.html

The key points....

But the case landed in front of U.S. District Judge Andrew Hanen, one of the most notoriously partisan conservatives in the federal judiciary. Democrats have good reason to fear that Hanen will order the mass nullification of ballots as early as Nov. 2, when he has scheduled a hearing.

Harris County raised the idea of drive-thru voting in June, and Texas Secretary of State Ruth Hughs promptly approved it. The county tested it in July and approved it in August. Yet Republicans did not contest drive-thru voting in court until Oct. 15, two days after the start of early voting. On that day, the Harris County Republican Party, joined by several GOP operatives, asked the Texas Supreme Court to halt drive-thru voting. The court, which is entirely Republican, refused, over a single dissent.

Republicans brought this case nearly four months after Harris County announced its intent to provide drive-thru voting this fall. Yet the Republican officials only brought their lawsuit on Oct. 28, as early voting neared its end in Texas. More than 117,000 eligible voters have taken advantage of it, and will be disenfranchised if the lawsuit succeeds.

And yet there is good reason to worry that Republicans will prevail, at least initially. Hanen, the federal judge overseeing the case, is a rabid partisan. Alarmingly, he scheduled a hearing in this case for Monday morning—without even giving Harris County a chance to file a response brief. It is possible that Hanen is rushing to throw a wrench into Texas’ election, purporting to void a vast number of votes in a critical battleground state.

Just the fact that the GOP is trying to pull this crap is beyond ridiculous, that it might work is even crazier and a huge blow to democracy as we know it. They go 4 months with no legal objections to it, months after it was tested and approved (so they knew it was going to be used) and then start the legal process 2 days after voting has started, just ridiculous.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Is there video of them trying to run them off the road? I saw the second or third video where I thought at first that's what it was. Then I noticed it was actually the white SUV that drifted into the other lane by several feet and almost hit the truck and the guy in the truck appears to force the guy back in his lane.

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong?

And also....this is what “Stand By” means...

[Onions]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

This isn't 1 county in PA, it's Harris County in Texas, the third most populated county in America where there were 127K votes already submitted that the GOP is trying to have thrown out.

This isn't a small thing by any means, and there is nothing to "iron out" as these are votes have been cast already. There is not compromise to make to "iron this out," there is only whether they count or not and one side is actively trying to have them thrown out.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...t-ballots.html

I picked up the discussion off your first post talking about PA and counting absentee ballots for as long as they wanted to. My bad for not following it to Texas.

Those votes will count as long as they are legit. Honestly, if only 127k contested ballots flips it in TX, Trump has far more to worry about.

Again, vote in ways you know your vote will count. Request an absentee ballot, fill it out correctly and deliver it in time, or drop it off at a polling place, a ballot drop box, vote early in person, or on election day. We don't need 10 ways to vote. I get the pandemic concerns, but we had ways around that already.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Onions

I picked up the discussion off your first post talking about PA and counting absentee ballots for as long as they wanted to. My bad for not following it to Texas.

Those votes will count as long as they are legit. Honestly, if only 127k contested ballots flips it in TX, Trump has far more to worry about.

Again, vote in ways you know your vote will count. Request an absentee ballot, fill it out correctly and deliver it in time, or drop it off at a polling place, a ballot drop box, vote early in person, or on election day. We don't need 10 ways to vote. I get the pandemic concerns, but we had ways around that already.

If Texas is indeed in play for Biden, considering it was +800,000 votes for Trump in 2016, I'd say it would are more likely than not that the election is decided by less than 100K votes if Biden wins.

Harris county is very blue and given this was set up for those who wanted to take more precautions regarding the virus than not, it's fair to say at least 75K of those votes are for Biden I'd think, likely more.

There is every reason to believe these votes could swing the election one way or the other.

And again, there was nothing about this to make voters think their vote was anything but secure and legit, this was approved by the Secretary of State (who is a Republican), it was tested months before the election and approved by the Secretary of State, and the local GOP didn't even try to stop it until after voting had begun. It's no different than any other early in person voting in regards to thinking their vote was legitimate.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...t-ballots.html

The key points....









Just the fact that the GOP is trying to pull this crap is beyond ridiculous, that it might work is even crazier and a huge blow to democracy as we know it. They go 4 months with no legal objections to it, months after it was tested and approved (so they knew it was going to be used) and then start the legal process 2 days after voting has started, just ridiculous.

This is so typical it's funny. Every time some tin foil hat conspiracy comes out regarding Trump or GOP we see this crap. The sky is falling! Our Democracy is being destroyed!! America as we know it is dead!!Etc etc. But story after story about Clinton, Biden, or Dems corruption comes out and it's cricket's. Nothing to see here move on lol. What a joke. It's all BS from both sides. The entire government is not some deep state entity trying to brainwash everyone and destroy America. Sure there are bad people everywhere and people do shady stuff looking out for their own self interests but everyone is not out to get you. None of these people truly benefit from destroying America or democracy. Just relax. As others have said if the votes are legit and there was no foul play then they will be counted.

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[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

The white car was directly behind the bus...its the campaign follow-car. The Biden bus tries to get in the middle lane, follow car tries and succeeds but the truck in front of the bus blocks the bus in...then the other truck blocks re-entry of the follow car and sideswipes it. “No more BS”...right?
Like I said before...none of this surprises me...Trumpers gonna Trump.

i guess we will disagree on this one unless there is more video. Truck was entitled to its lane. White car initially almost side swipes truck as it drifted half in the trucks lane. It would appear truck then reacts and bully’s car back into the lane they wondered from. Like I said said at first I thought the truck was initially at fault until I paid attention to where the lanes were.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

i guess we will disagree on this one unless there is more video. Truck was entitled to its lane. White car initially almost side swipes truck as it drifted half in the trucks lane. It would appear truck then reacts and bully’s car back into the lane they wondered from. Like I said said at first I thought the truck was initially at fault until I paid attention to where the lanes were.

Why do you refuse to see the bigger picture?
This is wrong on so many levels...
They would not let the bus change lanes...they were reckless & intimidating and unpatriotic. The flags might as well be Confederate Flags...no lie!

Trumps Tweet: “I love Texas”....ok so he supports this? What if this was your family in the car?
Please for the sake of humanity...take off the blinders.
What your not seeing in that video is the trucks in front of the bus. There are numerous videos now all over Twitter...like mentioned before, the FBI is involved so it’s not a minor incident.
They tried to stop the bus & the staffers called 911....this is not fake news dude! This is a real hate crime....

[preakness]

Fredo!!!

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Ivanka is hot

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

This is so typical it's funny. Every time some tin foil hat conspiracy comes out regarding Trump or GOP we see this crap. The sky is falling! Our Democracy is being destroyed!! America as we know it is dead!!Etc etc. But story after story about Clinton, Biden, or Dems corruption comes out and it's cricket's. Nothing to see here move on lol. What a joke. It's all BS from both sides. The entire government is not some deep state entity trying to brainwash everyone and destroy America. Sure there are bad people everywhere and people do shady stuff looking out for their own self interests but everyone is not out to get you. None of these people truly benefit from destroying America or democracy. Just relax. As others have said if the votes are legit and there was no foul play then they will be counted.

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And again, if you just look into what is going on here, it's not about whether the votes are legit or not here.

Anyone who looks at this knows that every single one of those votes should count, it has nothing to do with the votes, it has to do with the method.

And if the method was so bad as the GOP is now claiming, they'd have fought it during the 4 months between when it was approved by the Republican Secretary of State and when voting began, not 2 days after voting began.

I honestly don't even know if the method should or shouldn't have been allowed from the start, I don't know the laws involved well enough of course. But the fact that it was approved and tested before the election and made it all the way thru the State Supreme Court, even if the method never should have been used, at this point you just have to count the votes given all of that.

It's completely unfair to those 127K voters to ask them to have to go try to vote again at the last minute, many of them may not even know about it or be able to vote on Tuesday. Had they fought this when it was approved 4 months ago, then it would have been worked out well before now, just dirty tactics by the GOP that has already been shot down at many levels.

Saying, "if the votes are legit then they'll be counted" is such a junk response at this point, everyone knows the votes are legit, but because there MIGHT be a slim legal loophole to get them thrown out, the GOP is trying to do so. This isn't people collecting unused mail in ballots and trying to use them, it's not someone printing off their own ballots to submit, it's not someone trying to vote multiple times.

It's clear as day voter suppression to try and make sure these people don't get to vote, as if they were to get thrown out, no way all of them end up showing up in person on Tuesday on such short notice.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Nobody is that dumb you say? I accept the challenge!



First addressing the false equivalency. If your argument is that walking into a grocery story without a mask is like driving drunk; then please don't respond to this. This conversation can go nowhere because you're then clearly drunk and need to sleep it off.



Second, it's nice to know you're not fat. Adds to the value and argument you are attempting to make here.



Third, to say things like Alcohol and smoking do not effect the health of other is also pretty LOL. It does. It does greatly. It may not do it in the "passing you a virus" kind of way, but I'm willing to bet if you asked friends and family of people who do these things regularly, you may find that their health has been impacted. You should look into it.



Fourth and final; to agree w/ a single sentence of JD is to sign your soul away to the devil. I hope you'll reconsider in the future; when your time comes and you are to be judged, you don't want that on the list.

As to the first paragraph, I stand corrected.

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[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Alright you blowhards.
Join my secret santa and I will match you up with someone on the opposite political spectrum and you can do something nice for them.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...5#post16581115

So this post resulted in 2 right leaning members to join the Secret Santa for the 1st time.

No new left leaning members.

Still time to join.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

So this post resulted in 2 right leaning members to join the Secret Santa for the 1st time.

No new left leaning members.

Still time to join.

Wow, I’m surprised. I’m always told the righties are full of hate

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Wow, I’m surprised. I’m always told the righties are full of hate

Yes, expect a box inside of a box. Inside the second box, expect two boxes. Inside one of those boxes, expect a dog turd. Inside the dog turd, expect a $25 gift card to Racists R Us. Inside the other box, expect a cat turd. Inside the cat turd, expect to find a card saying a $25 donation has been made in your name to the Republican National Committee.

(Do not take this seriously, lol)

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[Brobocop]

There really should be outrage from everyone when it comes to ballots that were cast fairly and by the rules not being counted. How this has become a political issue is beyond me. It should be the one thing people from both sides should agree is terrible. Especially just a few days from an election. It's this kind of stuff that should delay an election. If I found out my vote in Ohio all of the sudden didn't count today because of some rule change that wasn't in place when I cast my vote, I'd be furious. I am not saying to count votes that are cast after 11/3. I'm saying that the votes that have been cast, whether in person, by mail, or dropping off a ballot at an elections board, on or before 11/3, should be counted. It's disgusting that we have people cheering on the discarding of ballots for any reason. If a ballot is being discarded, that person should be notified immediately, and be given time to correct the mistake, even if it's after 11/3. We should expect more from our government. Being able to carry out an election like this should be the one thing they should be able to do.

I'm honestly kind of scared that with all these things going on and politicians calling the results of the election into question already that the idea of a peaceful transfer of power, if one should take place, is not going to happen. All I know is that there will be large segments of people on both sides who won't accept the outcome of the election if their person loses. How the hell did we get here?

[DegaBama]

Imagine a world where you need to show your ID to go eat at a restaurant, but you don't need one to vote.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Why do you refuse to see the bigger picture?
This is wrong on so many levels...
They would not let the bus change lanes...they were reckless & intimidating and unpatriotic. The flags might as well be Confederate Flags...no lie!

Trumps Tweet: “I love Texas”....ok so he supports this? What if this was your family in the car?
Please for the sake of humanity...take off the blinders.
What your not seeing in that video is the trucks in front of the bus. There are numerous videos now all over Twitter...like mentioned before, the FBI is involved so it’s not a minor incident.
They tried to stop the bus & the staffers called 911....this is not fake news dude! This is a real hate crime....

I can’t see your bigger picture only what’s actually on the videos you posted. I posted what I saw. Nothing more nothing less. I didn’t see in the videos them try and stop or run the bus off the road. Alls I saw was a truck act recklessly when the white car drifted carelessly into their lane almost hitting them. There is a guy down the street and he has three flags out front of his house. A confederate, a trump and a USA. I still see them as three different flags because I don’t have an agenda bias blinding me.

You show me a different video of them doing what’s being claimed and not just assumed I’ll have no problem at all admitting it. For the record I find Confederate flags, particularly up north tacky and in general poor taste (especially flown next to an American flag). In the end it’s the guys property And he can fly whatever he wants as long as he’s doing so lawfully. If it hurts my little feelings that’s on me.

Originally Posted by JustRachel

As to the first paragraph, I stand corrected.

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Sometimes I’m not sure if I want to high five you or flip you the bird. It’s very confusing.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Imagine a world where you need to show your ID to go eat at a restaurant, but you don't need one to vote.

Imagine where one is a right and the other is a privilege.

[NeedChapmans]

Early vote closed in NC now. Amazing the turnout being identical among both parties.

Sets R's up nicely for election day. We'll see.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Imagine where one is a right and the other is a privilege.

Just like protesting/rioting is and keeping your business open?

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

And again, if you just look into what is going on here, it's not about whether the votes are legit or not here.

Anyone who looks at this knows that every single one of those votes should count, it has nothing to do with the votes, it has to do with the method.

And if the method was so bad as the GOP is now claiming, they'd have fought it during the 4 months between when it was approved by the Republican Secretary of State and when voting began, not 2 days after voting began.

I honestly don't even know if the method should or shouldn't have been allowed from the start, I don't know the laws involved well enough of course. But the fact that it was approved and tested before the election and made it all the way thru the State Supreme Court, even if the method never should have been used, at this point you just have to count the votes given all of that.

It's completely unfair to those 127K voters to ask them to have to go try to vote again at the last minute, many of them may not even know about it or be able to vote on Tuesday. Had they fought this when it was approved 4 months ago, then it would have been worked out well before now, just dirty tactics by the GOP that has already been shot down at many levels.

Saying, "if the votes are legit then they'll be counted" is such a junk response at this point, everyone knows the votes are legit, but because there MIGHT be a slim legal loophole to get them thrown out, the GOP is trying to do so. This isn't people collecting unused mail in ballots and trying to use them, it's not someone printing off their own ballots to submit, it's not someone trying to vote multiple times.

It's clear as day voter suppression to try and make sure these people don't get to vote, as if they were to get thrown out, no way all of them end up showing up in person on Tuesday on such short notice.

Exactly, this is just a brazen attempt to get votes already cast thrown out. There is no argument the votes themselves are invalid. It is about how the government collected them. This is basically detrimental reliance and it should be a case easily thrown out but knowing who it is going to there is a good chance that he rules in the GOPs favor. The government authorized this as an appropriate way to vote and now only right when voting ends certain GOP members are trying to get legitimate votes in a heavily democratic area thrown out that has nothing to do with the voter themselves making any kind of mistake. If the judge wants to make a ruling that going forward this method needs to be approved by the state legislature then fine but you cannot throw out legit ballots already cast.