Jarred Kelenic

[Cardboard Dawg]

Originally Posted by Giuls21

This guy was ranked way too high by prospect people. His defense was already slipping, forcing him to a corner and he is not a masher. He struggles with breaking balls and has a much lower ceiling than guys behind him (see Luciano).

Every post you’ve made on this thread has aged poorly haha

[chris_ac]

Originally Posted by BBases31

I never fail to laugh at the age craziness on Blowout. The guy just turned 22 3 weeks ago and we have people talking about his clock ticking because he'll turn 23 in the middle of next season. Somehow finding a way to say that the 3rd youngest hitter in the entire league might be getting close to age issues.

I did a stats project in college and used MLB HOFers to prove one way or the other using key stats and the standard deviation for pitchers and hitters separately. The bottom line is to have an opportunity for a MLB player to be great at the end (which all would strive for and we as fans/collectors can hope for even if moons down the line) is that if you do not start putting up solid stats by age 23, your chances of being HOF-worthy are just about nill. Yes, some players from decades old are outliers either to heavy use against less teams or absolute dominance in a decade. But now with all the milestones set by predecessors, a player today needs to accumulate well not ok even at an early age. Rookies that start hot at age 25 do not end well a vast majority of the time.

Originally Posted by calculusdork

In that situation, with that call, IMO even a guy making his big league debut has a right to be upset.

Upset, ok. Chiding the the ump enough to ejected, eh... I know the manager came out to defend him but in the scheme of this season, this called 3rd strike wasn't the worst by a mile.

Originally Posted by NoWhammys2021

Oh, you are backing a shoulder height breaking ball called strike three on a Rc who apparently knows the strike zone thus proving his eye is dead on (in that at bat).

Then you are throwing around his age like it’s a bad thing to be 22 and getting ejected by a dumpy Ump who if he did that to a veteran would have had a face full of pissed off grown man.

Your post is typical of a foot n mouth say by the time he hits 23 unironically .

He didn’t even show the ump up, he just punked him like he should have. That call was Angel “Joe West” Hernandez terrible and you ate it up like cold soup.




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Yes, many crappy umps this season. The pitching stats got a boost by numerous botched 3rd strikes affecting many stars and teams. But in this case, while the pitch bowed high, the catcher had his glove chin high and didn't even move it to frame it. I agree it's high enough to be a ball, but after that, the ejections for reactions are not necessary. Kelenic isn't the only one being robbed from game to game. He's still frustrated from inconsistency at the plate. I've watched Acuña Jr. strike out enough to notice sure fire balls up, down, and way outside to know it happens. Yes, the umps are sh!!ty.


Sorry to all for touching the BO nerve lol

I've been watching Jarred quietly but waiting like most to see the results. Nothing to get antsy about. Take care.

[NoWhammys2021]

Don’t walk it back now-

Please don’t read this as if I’m angry ,

You sperged out, rushed into a thread where fans were keeping positive energy going strong for a young kid, and tried to take a quick dump while also trying to sound knowledgeable.

You provided nothing but a “college science Project” once upon a timey whiney story about HOF stats when nobody is calling him a HOF’er .

To boot you used a BALLLLLLL called strike 3 to try and desperately bring negativity in here when the kid simply walked away speaking his mind, I’m sure you don’t like people being able to speak their minds, doesn’t make them wrong.

Just let it die and stop trying to get the last word when you clearly did and are doing exactly what is written above. Back to business and positivity !





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[letsgocapitals]

That walk off walk celebration. Yikes.

[QuinEarlyDoucet]

Seriously. As the youngsters say “cringe”

Originally Posted by letsgocapitals

That walk off walk celebration. Yikes.

[ThoseBackPages]

surprised he's not in Ginter

not going to have many pack issued RCs at this point

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by QuinEarlyDoucet

Seriously. As the youngsters say “cringe”

Painful to watch .

[ScooterD]

By far his best at bat of the season - because he didn’t swing.

If he would have employed this approach (doing nothing) all year, his OPS would be much higher.

He bat-flipped a walk. Wow

[BrentR]

I didn't see anything wrong with it. He is trying to keep the spark alive in a playoff run. He was excited. Give the kid a break. No I am not trying to pump up or sell any of his cards. Just get frustrating seeing kids get criticized so much on this forum. They are kids playing the greatest sport in the world. Let them show as much emotion as they want. He is probably stressed the hell out because of his poor performance. Let the kid celebrate.

[QuinEarlyDoucet]

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

By far his best at bat of the season - because he didn’t swing.

If he would have employed this approach (doing nothing) all year, his OPS would be much higher.

He bat-flipped a walk. Wow

[80s Kid]

Originally Posted by BrentR

I didn't see anything wrong with it. He is trying to keep the spark alive in a playoff run. He was excited. Give the kid a break. No I am not trying to pump up or sell any of his cards. Just get frustrating seeing kids get criticized so much on this forum. They are kids playing the greatest sport in the world. Let them show as much emotion as they want. He is probably stressed the hell out because of his poor performance. Let the kid celebrate.

Yeah, too much of the no-fun police in here.

[letsgocapitals]

Originally Posted by 80s Kid

Yeah, too much of the no-fun police in here.

For the record, I'm good with bat flips and am a blast at parties.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by chris_ac

I did a stats project in college and used MLB HOFers to prove one way or the other using key stats and the standard deviation for pitchers and hitters separately. The bottom line is to have an opportunity for a MLB player to be great at the end (which all would strive for and we as fans/collectors can hope for even if moons down the line) is that if you do not start putting up solid stats by age 23, your chances of being HOF-worthy are just about nill. Yes, some players from decades old are outliers either to heavy use against less teams or absolute dominance in a decade. But now with all the milestones set by predecessors, a player today needs to accumulate well not ok even at an early age. Rookies that start hot at age 25 do not end well a vast majority of the time.

I get all that but he is not moving on from age 23 until the middle of the 2023 season and it's August 2021. In the previous post you said that by then he needs to light the world on fire for the long term potential to feel right. You are talking the super long term. His cards can still rip huge if he doesn't really break out until he turns 24 or 25. If you're planning to buy and hold and refuse to sell until 2028 then sure, but that's silly to not be able to be even the slightest bit nimble. But it's pretty likely anyway that the WAR HOF scale is going to come down a notch for the crop of today's guys. If it doesn't, you're going to be getting half the previous rate of inductees and voters will probably adjust to the era

Again, we're talking about the window closing age-wise for the third youngest hitter in baseball. That is bonkers to think about

[Giroux]

God forbid someone be excited about winning a game...

[ThoseBackPages]

Topps NOW!!!!!!!

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Topps NOW!!!!!!!

With autos! And bat relics!

[Alec11579]

Boom. HR #6. He’s been much better ever since the change in batting stance. I think a lot of people buried him a little prematurely. I have a feeling he’s still gonna be a great player. I see him being a .280-.290, 25-30 HR, 90 RBIs, with 15-20 SBs type of player. Walk rate keeps going up. Just need to get his K rate down. He definitely dug himself a huge hole to start his career but I think he’ll finish strong and hopefully really hit the ground running next season. At least the early numbers are making it easier to get his cards a bit cheaper.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Alec11579

Boom. HR #6. He’s been much better ever since the change in batting stance. I think a lot of people buried him a little prematurely. I have a feeling he’s still gonna be a great player. I see him being a .280-.290, 25-30 HR, 90 RBIs, with 15-20 SBs type of player. Walk rate keeps going up. Just need to get his K rate down. He definitely dug himself a huge hole to start his career but I think he’ll finish strong and hopefully really hit the ground running next season. At least the early numbers are making it easier to get his cards a bit cheaper.

i cant wait for his RCs to be released!

[REGGIE206]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i cant wait for his RCs to be released!

Me too!

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Alec11579

Boom. HR #6. He’s been much better ever since the change in batting stance. I think a lot of people buried him a little prematurely. I have a feeling he’s still gonna be a great player. I see him being a .280-.290, 25-30 HR, 90 RBIs, with 15-20 SBs type of player. Walk rate keeps going up. Just need to get his K rate down. He definitely dug himself a huge hole to start his career but I think he’ll finish strong and hopefully really hit the ground running next season. At least the early numbers are making it easier to get his cards a bit cheaper.

I haven’t been watching his at bats, what batting stance change did he make?

[Alec11579]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I haven’t been watching his at bats, what batting stance change did he make?

He changed his stance on July 28th vs Houston. It’s more of reverting back to his early minors stance where he stands more upright with less wiggle. Apparently he can see the ball better and cover more of the plate now. It’s a small sample size (16 games) but he’s slashing .241/.328/.517 with 4HR 12 RBI 8BB 9SO since. Wish he would’ve figured it out a little sooner.

[hammertime]

Joey Votto made a similar chance to his batting stance this season.

[Alec11579]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Joey Votto made a similar chance to his batting stance this season.

Did Votto do it mid season? I know he was struggling early but has been raking for about half the season now.

[rman112]

0 for his last 16. 7 strikeouts. Just send him down.

[Giuls21]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Dawg

Every post you’ve made on this thread has aged poorly haha

I disagree, unless the stats I am looking at are incorrect.