PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[Anish]

Originally Posted by ken161

Just for grins I went to VCP and looked up a few random vintage cards. I decided to look up three cards and count how many NM7 or higher cards had been sold in the last two years with the new "lighthouse" slab. So these cards had to have been graded since 2017. I was shocked at what I found.

1969 Topps Mickey Mantle White Letters - 10 Lighthouse Slabs PSA7 or higher

1954 Bowman Ted Williams - 13 Lighthouse Slabs PSA7 or higher

1965 Topps Joe Namath - 24 Lighthouse Slabs PSA7 or higher

Most were sold anonymously through PWCC or one of the big auction houses.

Who knew there were so many attic finds in recent years? If I recall correctly, Alan Rosen's 1954 Bowman find in Paris, TN did not include any Ted Williams cards. Where are these high-grade cards coming from? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

And sadly, I think this whole rotten mess goes way, way beyond Moser and other card doctors outed thus far. I think there are guys out there much more skilled as card doctors raking in way more $$$$$.

Doesn’t that include reslabbed cards?

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by Anish

Doesn’t that include reslabbed cards?

Maybe, PSA considers the original submission/grade date of a certification number "private information"... In seriousness, I can't think of a logical reason why that would be can you or anyone else?

[ken161]

Originally Posted by Anish

Doesn’t that include reslabbed cards?

Point well taken. But I suspect the lion's share resided in a slab with a lower number grade.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Batpig

I suspect the feds are finding it to be way more far reaching than they expected. This has been going on so long that many of these guys felt immune. That likely made them complacent and open to leaving huge paper trails leading to others and additional crimes. I expect there’s tax crimes, mail fraud, and who knows what else that they’re finding.

You’re describing the hobby in so many ways as it pertains to money: Nobody thinking about out-of-control prices or the recklessness of their actions because seemingly “everyone else is doing it”.

Never mind it’s the criminals and corrupt who are pushing the action and are profiting...and slamming the ethical just to keep the carousel going a little while longer.

[superdan49]

PSA Set Registry Owners pages 112-221
I haven't updated the list of the PSA Set Registry owners of altered cards brokered through PWCC since mid-June. According to PSA's data, these are the current owners of these cards:


1911 C55 Hockey Fred Cyclone Taylor #20 PSA 7 (#28313045) Post #2812- danbarker111
1954 Bowman George Blanda RC #23 PSA 8.5 (#41697360) Post #2868- HDC211
1953 Parkhurst Jean Beliveau RC #27 PSA 7 (#42312767) Post #2873- dmwojtow
1953 Parkhurst Jean Beliveau RC #27 PSA 8 (#41697317) Post #2875- bigwes99
1953 Parkhurst Jean Beliveau RC #27 PSA 8.5 (#27619836) Post #2878- robertmeyer111
1954 Parkhurst Jean Beliveau #3 PSA 8 (#24182141) Post #2899- strauss386
1938 Goudey Hank Greenberg #253 PSA 7 (#27456692) Post #2902- CalgaryJay
1952 Topps Look 'N See Henry Hudson PSA 8 (#41008249) Post #2908- brantley.pace
1958 Topps Duke Snider #88 PSA 8.5 (#40751290) Post #2924- lilleys
1953 Parkhurst Jim Thomson #8 PSA 9 (#42313850) Post #2959- danbarker111
1969 Topps Brooks Robinson #550 PSA 10 (#40751246) Post #2962- schlonsky
1965 Topps Pete Rose #207 PSA 9 (#40751304) Post #3034- bbadams1980
1965 Topps Stan Mikita #60 PSA 10 (#41822202) Post #3092- CES
1914 Cracker Jack Mickey Doolan #120 PSA 5 (#42556445) Post #3141- yellowsub
1953 Parkhurst Dickie Moore PHOTO IS JEAN BELIVEAU #28 PSA 9 (#42313851) Post #3201- danbarker111
1959 Parkhurst Maurice 'Rocket' Richard #2 PSA 8 (#41004599) Post #3228- canucksfan77
1961 Fleer #46 Elgin Baylor In Action PSA 10 (#42313851) Post #3353- rakosinyc
1953 Parkhurst Teeder Kennedy #7 PSA 9 (#25790432) Post #3489- beatmasterplus
1953 Parkhurst Doug Harvey #26 PSA 8 (#25578124) Post #3616- MCABLE
1953 Parkhurst Al Dewsbury #78 PSA 9 (#29029273) Post #3642- danbarker111
1954 Parkhurst Gordie Howe #41 PSA 8 (#25790678) Post #3855- lestricolors
1909-11 T206 Sovereign 350 Gabby Street PSA 8 (#40927090) Post #3886- joshnoga
1911 C55 Hockey Ernest Russell #35 PSA 5 (#27620844) Post #3913- kevin's c55 set
1948 Leaf #79 Jackie Robinson PSA 1.5 (#28843607) Post #3941- edgeusafl
1954 Wilson Franks Ted Williams PSA 5 (#28843615) Post #3941- dan
1948 Leaf Jim Hegan #28 PSA 8 (#14213120) Post #3965- bobsbbcards
1952 Bowman Small Joe Stydahar RC #99 PSA 7 (#42313717) Post #4129- RustyWilly
1948 Leaf #76 Ted Williams PSA 5 (#25790667) Post #4274- Favara
1957 Topps #10Paul Arizin PSA 8.5 (#41820275) Post #4408- rakosinyc
1955 Parkhurst #50 Jacques Plante PSA 6 (#27642943) Post #4493- MCABLE
1954 Parkhurst #33 Terry Sawchuk PSA 8 (#25959140) Post #4687- lestricolors
1954 Parkhurst #100 Terry Sawchuk Stops Boom Boom PSA 7 (#27581433) Post #4730- bigwes99
1954 Parkhurst #65 Johnny Bowers (Bower) PSA 8 (#27581431) Post #4751- gomaz
1954 Parkhurst #65 Johnny Bowers (Bower) PSA 7 (#27113024) Post #4752- glabow
1951 Parkhurst #81 Max Bentley PSA 8 (#42313887) Post #4815- Digstown
1952 Bowman #5 Minnie Minoso (#25578067) Post #4821- Senator
1952 Topps Look 'N See #106 Machiavelli PSA 8.5 (#23967339) Post #4976- crippler1
1953 Parkhurst Fleming MacKell (with bio) #91 PSA 7 (#27581440) Post #5026- danbarker111
1954 Bowman #23 George Blanda PSA 8 (#27581446) Post #5047- johnc3514
1933 Goudey Sport Kings Walter Hagen #8 PSA 8.5 (#25776415) Post #5083- howardtsao
1952 Topps Look 'N See #108 Michelangelo PSA 8 (#25959086) Post #5152- shapdumas
1953 Bowman Color Fred Hatfield #125 PSA 9 (#42313871) Post #5154- SHANELEONARD1
1888 N2 Allen & Ginter Chief Joseph PSA 8 (#27148679) Post #5180-mimsdar
1887 Old Judge Mike Tiernan Stooping to Field Grounder PSA 7 (#27148681) Post #5181- BBCards4U
1948 Leaf #32 Warren Spahn PSA 6 (#42313721) Post #5222- cal.purvis
1951 Topps Ringside #96 Ezzard Charles PSA 7 (#27363997) Post #5240- shapdumas
1951 Bowman #4 Norm Van Brocklin PSA 8 (#41697304) Post #5269- The Philly Collection
1951 Topps Ringside #32 Rocky Marciano PSA 7 (#41004579) Post #5284- JNguyen
1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug John (Monte) Ward PSA 2 (#27015718) Post #5466- SHANELEONARD1
1948 Leaf Boxing #101 John L. Sullivan PSA 8 (#22243903) Post #5487- RAS
1953 Parkhurst #53 Gump Worsley PSA 8 (#27581074) Post #5493- JAYGROAT1
1953 Parkhurst #1 Harry Lumley PSA 8 (#25959146) Post #5496- robertmeyer111

[superdan49]

Most altered cards in pages 112-221 of this thread (arranged by PSA user name). In this round, 41 different collectors were defrauded:

danbarker111- 5
bigwes99- 2
robertmeyer111- 2
rakosinyc- 2
lestricolors- 2
MCABLE- 2
shapdumas- 2
SHANELEONARD1- 2
HDC211- 1
dmwojtow- 1
strauss386- 1
CalgaryJay- 1
brantley.pace- 1
lilleys- 1
schlonsky- 1
bbadams1980- 1
CES- 1
yellowsub- 1
canucksfan77- 1
beatmasterplus- 1
joshnoga- 1
kevin's c55 set- 1
edgeusafl- 1
dan- 1
bobsbbcards- 1
RustyWilly- 1
Favara- 1
gomaz- 1
glabow- 1
Digstown- 1
Senator- 1
crippler1- 1
johnc3514- 1
howardtsao- 1
mimsdar- 1
BBCards4U- 1
cal.purvis- 1
The Philly Collection- 1
JNguyen- 1
RAS- 1
JAYGROAT1- 1


**If you know any of these collectors personally or professionally, please reach out to them. They more than likely do not know that their cards have been outed as among the trimmed here on Blowout. Even if you do not know them, if you are willing to (politely) direct them to this page, please do so. Many can only be contacted through the PSA website. Thank you!

[3124508 on COMC]

What moron is still selling their newly graded, trimmed cards via PWCC? smh

[base set]

I would expect there will be some folks who do indeed “crack” and have to “re-submit” - their legal testimony.

[DunceMode]

Originally Posted by ken161

Who knew there were so many attic finds in recent years? If I recall correctly, Alan Rosen's 1954 Bowman find in Paris, TN did not include any Ted Williams cards. Where are these high-grade cards coming from? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

I had the same thought about 18 months ago. I was perusing the auction at Sirius, and it dawned on me that every two weeks, these guys had reams and reams of newly slabbed vintage. I too wondered where all these cards were coming from.

[gomaz]

Originally Posted by superdan49

PSA Cert #:27581431

1954 Parkhurst #65 Johnny Bowers (Bower) PSA 7 to PSA 8
Alteration types: Trimming

Sold on 12/7/2016 as a PSA 7 by eBay seller beardentoys to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $395.75
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 9/26/2017 as a PSA 8 for $838.00
Final price: $838.00
Value gain: $442.25


The left edge here on this 1954 Parkhurst Bower card has been significantly trimmed. The red circles on the back are print marks and/or paper fibers common to both images, confirming it is the same card. This set is as dangerous as any of them due to risk of buying an altered card.



PSA 7: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/h...65/75024/PSA/7
PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1552298

Well this bites.

I did receive the following email from PWCC regarding this card:

PWCC Marketplace is reaching out to buyers of cards that have been sold recently which PWCC believes have evidence of alteration. We have identified the dealer who submitted your altered card and, working with the dealer and the grading company, we will work to refund your purchase price as well as taking the card out of circulation – by ultimately causing the card to be forwarded to law enforcement.

The card(s) in question for which we'd like to arrange a return are as follows:

ITEM TITLE: 1954 Parkhurst Johnny Bower ROOKIE RC #65 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
SALE PRICE: $838
SALE DATE: September 26, 2017

Please reply to this email and confirm your willingness to have the item returned and we will then issue you a pre-paid shipping label and work on refunding your money.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused and hope to regain your trust in PWCC.

Thank you,

PWCC Marketplace

I will be returning the card, have already deleted from my PSA registry and am back on the hunt for a nice unaltered replacement copy.

I am happy to see PWCC send out these emails and also that BODA is helping keep the hobby accountable.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by gomaz

I am happy to see PWCC send out these emails and also that BODA is helping keep the hobby accountable.

Happy to see BODA helped you avoid getting swindled on that card!

An ongoing FBI investigation of PWCC in response to this thread might have helped too

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Happy to see BODA helped you avoid getting swindled on that card!

An ongoing FBI investigation of PWCC in response to this thread might have helped too

That's fantastic.... But unless the FBI is investigating PSA with the same gusto, the corruption and thievery will continue with no end in sight.

[Bruins1993]

1934 Goudey Jimmy Foxx #1 (PSA AUTHENTIC ALTERED to PSA 6)

This card was originally graded Authentic Altered with cert # 26226699 purchased by w***1 from an eBay seller bbcinv on October 17, 2016 for $260.00

Same card with new cert # 41697321 was graded PSA 6 and sold by pwcc_auctions (eBay) on November 8, 2018 for $1,076.00
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1863401

Value gain of $816.00

Alterations: Chemical cleaning took place from Authentic Altered to PSA 6. Also, looking from the back-side you can see the top edge appears to be roughed up, which is not found on the Authentic Altered. Step appears to have been taken to mask prior issues that would have deemed card altered by a PSA grader, while at same time cleaning card to obtain highest grade possible.

Yellow circles are print, fiber identifiers.
Red box identifies roughed up top edge on PSA 6 in this example.

[Bruins1993]

1934 Goudey Lou Gehrig #61 (BVG 3.5 to PSA 3)

This card with BVG cert # 006106536 purchased by w***1 from pwcc_auctions (eBay) on September 9, 2015 for $1,136.00

Same card after being HEAVILY chemically cleaned was graded PSA 3 with new cert # 27898987 and sold by pwcc_auctions (eBay) on October 9, 2017 for $2,275.00
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555643

Value gain of $1,139.00

Alterations: Chemical cleaning/whitening to point of significantly visible ink loss. For example, see the before and after of the small Lou Gehrig head to the left of "Lou Gehrig Says..." to compare! Significant ink loss on reverse print.

Yellow circles are print, fiber identifiers.
Red box identifies stain of some type that is more visible/pronounced after chemical cleaning process. Appears to have bleed larger when reacting with chemicals.

[SetBuilder]

There was nothing wrong with that Gehrig.

Another nice card ruined.

[barringtonmoore]

PWCC offered a 1922 E120 American Caramel Babe Ruth PSA 4 in Auction #2 of 2019. Note below the card was *not* given a "certified" eye appeal designation.





In the current PWCC auction- #9 of 2019- the same card is offered with a "PWCC Certified - Eye Appeal Rating: Top 30%" designation.





This not only shows the subjective, unreliable nature of the "certified eye appeal" designation, but it also raises questions about the integrity of the people making these determinations. At worst, it leads one to ask if the current consignor is friends with PWCC, or if PWCC has an interest in the card. At best, it reveals a powerful conflict of interest, whereby PWCC gives the designation to a card then receives a larger commission from the sale of that card in its own auction. PWCC comes right out and says it: "Cards in the top 30% of the eye appeal scale statistically garner superior market prices - 200%+ of market average..." It follows that PWCC takes a larger commission from those cards.

Returning to the E120 Ruth: this particular card has a distinctive mark on the top left border. It was sold about seven months ago. One would think the person/people judging eye appeal would remember seeing the exact same card earlier this year.

So why did the card fail to receive a special eye appeal designation in February, and why, if it wasn't worthy of that designation then is it worthy of it today? Incompetence? Possible but hard to arrive at that conclusion since PWCC financially benefits. Conflict of interest? Seems more likely than incompetence given the financial incentive to boost card prices. Something worse? I'd love PWCC to rule that out by publicly stating that it a) does not own the card it's selling and b) that it does not have a relationship with the person selling the card.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by barringtonmoore

So why did the card fail to receive a special eye appeal designation in February, and why, if it wasn't worthy of that designation then is it worthy of it today? Incompetence? Possible but hard to arrive at that conclusion since PWCC financially benefits. Conflict of interest? Seems more likely than incompetence given the financial incentive to boost card prices. Something worse? I'd love PWCC to rule that out by publicly stating that it a) does not own the card it's selling and b) that it does not have a relationship with the person selling the card.

Prior to everything hitting the fan for Brent's PWCC, he mostly stickered cards that he had vested interest in. Once the truth behind the stickers was revealed it looks like he has learned to share.

[shagrotn77]

For anyone not caught up on (or aware of) the shenanigans involving COMC and PWCC, here you go:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1315750

[corndog]

PSA Cert #15785215

1948 Leaf Ewell Blackwell #39

Value gain of $71.40

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Littlewahoo.

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller cooperstownsportscards as a PSA-6 on May 29, 2008 for $48.09.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...39/42395/PSA/6

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-7 for $119.49 on October 06, 2009.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...39/42395/PSA/7

Yellow circles are print or fiber identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge. No back image supplied from first sale.
PWCC image removed from Marketplace.
Right edge is also trimmed.

[tconte]

With that black dot on the left, I never would think of that E120 Ruth card as high end for the grade.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ken161

Just for grins I went to VCP and looked up a few random vintage cards. I decided to look up three cards and count how many NM7 or higher cards had been sold in the last two years with the new "lighthouse" slab. So these cards had to have been graded since 2017. I was shocked at what I found.

1969 Topps Mickey Mantle White Letters - 10 Lighthouse Slabs PSA7 or higher

1954 Bowman Ted Williams - 13 Lighthouse Slabs PSA7 or higher

1965 Topps Joe Namath - 24 Lighthouse Slabs PSA7 or higher

Most were sold anonymously through PWCC or one of the big auction houses.

Who knew there were so many attic finds in recent years? If I recall correctly, Alan Rosen's 1954 Bowman find in Paris, TN did not include any Ted Williams cards. Where are these high-grade cards coming from? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

And sadly, I think this whole rotten mess goes way, way beyond Moser and other card doctors outed thus far. I think there are guys out there much more skilled as card doctors raking in way more $$$$$.

This is correct. #66 Jim Piersall was in the packs confirming these were a later print run. Most of these packs were opened long ago.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #20386740

1948 Leaf Hank Edwards #72

Value gain of $194.31

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller 24nats as a PSA-6 on September 11, 2011 for $21.99.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-8 for $216.30 on October 08, 2012.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...72/42371/PSA/8

Yellow circles are print or fiber identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. No back image supplied from first sale.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #20872035

1948 Leaf Hank Edwards #72

Value gain of $56.50

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller rangers557 as a PSA-6 on May 30, 2012 for $23.27.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-7 for $79.77 on February 05, 2013.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...72/42371/PSA/7

Yellow circles are print or fiber identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. No back image supplied from first sale.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #15310131

1948 Leaf Hank Edwards #72

Value gain of $143.20

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller nick_the_attic_addict as a PSA-6 on June 12, 2008 for $43.08.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-8 for $186.28 on June 08, 2010.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...72/42371/PSA/8

Yellow circles are print or fiber identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. No back image supplied from first sale.

[rcmb3220]

Nevermind