PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

If I look at the hobby as a whole, I see an entire collective of people that WANT third party grading to work. Right or wrong, they love the liquidity it gives their cards, the measurability it gives their cards, the vindication it gives them, the categorization, the competition, the complete lack of justification they have to give. This group has been operating with a healthy amount of denial for the past decade, at least.

In the vintage/prewar environment, EVERYONE knew that trimmed/altered cards were getting past graders. You'd be a fool to think otherwise. But people thought it was on a much smaller scale than this has all shown. It was easy for people to say to themselves, "yeah, but it doesn't effect me," even if it did effect them. Seasoned collectors would openly admit that they "probably have an altered card or two in their collection." But if they couldn't find it, what were they going to do? It was considered the price of admission. You couldn't have all the benefits of grading without having a certain amount of screw ups. On the off-chance that you were able to catch one, you submitted it to PSA and their guarantee covered it. Everyone played under these rules and only a small handful of people knew how pervasive it really was.

Those people could tell you "hey, it's a lot worse than this. You have no idea how many trimmed cards are out there. There are large-scale dealers putting tons of bad material out into the hobby." But without proof, and without proof those people couldn't just name names, it stayed in that ethereal place in the back of everyone's mind. It wasn't concrete. You couldn't shove it anyone face. This was part of the denial that everyone was operating under.

They weren't in denial simply because they hadn't been shown the facts. They were in denial because the hobby was so much better and so much more enjoyable when third party grading worked. So what has changed? We've seen hundreds, if not thousands of cards get outed plain as day. We've seen lists of many, many thousands of other cards that are, at best, highly suspect. The FBI has gotten involved. It's been written about in many major mainstream news outlets. Whoever was going to find out about it probably has. Are TPGing submissions down? Are TPGed prices down? Barely a blip.

Can we fault the lack of evidence? Hell no! BODA has absolutely crushed it. I'm continuously in awe of their investigative skills and for the most part they've done all of this without a sliver of judgment. They show up, drop damning evidence, and leave it for the shock and admonition to rightfully follow. And they're not close to be done. And I'm not just talking about PSA/PWCC. So what, then, is the problem?

The problem is that people compartmentalize. In the history of people, people have never given up something they love because someone told them "some of that is completely toxic." There WILL be a list. That list will consist of what has been outed here and the linked submissions. Anything that doesn't show up on that list will be 100% denial food. I'm not saying that's right, I'm just saying that's what's going to happen.

So what changes that? What is the tipping point? Obviously, on a long enough timeline, anything can happen. But if we're talking about the near future? There is no tipping point. A smoking gun? Even in that instance, we'll see what we see from every other corporation caught in a scandal -- heads roll, new leadership is implemented, and a reason for denial is put back in place. Business 101. That's all that people want -- an excuse for them to be in denial. That's how much most of the hobby loves third-party grading. Third-party grading will never go away and in order for PSA/SGC/BGS to be torn down you need replacements.

This is an extremely difficult, if not borderline impossible, market to get into. You need to be able to lose millions your first 5 years, at least. There's all sorts of "off" grading companies out there right now. Who here is buying them or putting any stock in their opinion? No one. We immediately assume they're a joke. How are you going to tackle PSA and their registry when SGC can barely hang on? They survive because they have a niche that they've carved out over many years. But they're at their ceiling. They can't have a registry. They're sorely inept. We're still waiting on their grand magnificence that they announced would be "coming soon" at the 2018 National. Beckett? I think we all know Beckett has their own grading frauds to work through right now.

I'm not saying all of this because it's what I want. I'm saying it because it's the hard truth and we need to keep it in mind while tackling the fraud that's going on right now. If you're operating under the premise that this is going to lead to PSA going out of business or even PSA losing their hold on the #1 spot, you're only going to be further disappointed and angered and life's too short to have all of that injected into your life over something like this.

I believe we should focus less on a tipping point and more on forcing their hand to improve the grading process and transparency. They're not going to say boo as long as their legal battles with PWCC are ongoing so let's not waste our breath on that. But once the FBI concludes and the dust settles, we should be able to put forward a concrete plan of action.

I know I've noticed in a few posts a hint of frustration from BODA. I can't even fathom what they're feeling after putting in countless hours toward this and not seeing major results yet. But I know for a fact that the people I've notified have gotten refunded so you guys are saving collectors thousands and thousands of dollars and getting bad cards out of their collection. It may not seem like much but that's a huge service that definitely don't get thanked for enough due to desired anonymity on the victims' part. So let me be the one to thank you. You guys ARE making a difference, even if you don't see it materially. Every victim I've spoken to has been nothing but grateful. That's all of YOUR good work. I'm simply the messenger and I make sure they know that.

Well, congrats to anyone that made it this far. Apologies for the bloviating. A bit like lighting a cigarette with a SCUD missile. I know a lot of this is going to met with dissent. I hope that most of you can see that this is not what I'm endorsing or condoning, just what I'm afraid we're staring down the barrel of. I would love to hear about other theories though. I certainly don't think I have a monopoly on the truth.

Arthur

Naturally I just skimmed all of this

Its just easy to see you're indifferent, and think if lots of people get scammed along the way and lose tens of millions of dollars, so be it...perhaps things will get better one day...or maybe not. You're saying it's OK for PWCC, grading companies, and card doctors everywhere to enrich themselves during the process, even if they're contributing to the fraud, as slabs at least provide a false sense of security.

PSA/BGS/SGC have all demonstrated that their services are unable to reliably catch alterations, and, as you admit, the problem is getting steadily worse and worse rather than better. But you remain unconcerned. If a million relatively high-end slabs have cards found to be altered in the next months, you would argue it wouldn't make a difference.

So with this laissez-faire attitude, why bother posting in these threads? Clearly since you're posting here, you of course realize you're the kind of person the many people perpetuating fraud like to have in the hobby.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

That is not what I said at all. Strange that you would conclude that. PSA's current process is not inducive to catching many of the alterations. When graders (sometimes junior I am sure) are looking at cards for what 20-30 seconds, they are not going to catch a lot. It doesn't seem they are taking anytime to measure, blacklight, etc. the cards to catch alterations. They certainly "could" be doing more. That would increase costs and increase backlog. When PSA can't even keep up with orders as is even after increasing costs, why would they do anything to make it worse? PSA will only do these things when they start to feel pain with less submissions coming in. I just don't see much changing unless there was some big boycott of sending cards to PSA and buying graded PSA cards.

Exactly, because the inability to catch alterations in a general sense should have been addressed directly: corruption might be a small reason why they're not identifying alterations, but clearly there are other, more major, contributing factors that lead to grading companies not being able to perform their jobs.

You're reaching by assuming grading companies can't provide a good product because they don't spend enough time analyzing cards. Unfortunately, there isn't proof to show they could make a dent in the ongoing fraud even with sufficient time.

Basically you're saying the tipping point will come when and if it comes. Like HarryLime, you're just indifferent, another person those perpetuating the fraud like to have in these threads!

[ken161]

Corndog, you need to chill. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Joe Orlando said himself recently that PSA has been unaffected by this alleged fraud. At the PSA luncheon dinner at the National, the subject of card trimming was not even broached. Yes, t***9 purchases of vintage cards are literally everywhere on VCP, but I'm confident this 69 Mantle is a rare exception in that it made it by the stellar PSA netminders.

I have utter faith and belief in PSA. I am not afraid to purchase high-grade cards at "tomorrow's prices" because I know I will never get cheated.

Originally Posted by corndog

Last night an anonymous tip supplied the following information regarding the masked VCP id of t***9.
He reminded me that 312 had previously outed Will Jaimet as having that masked id under a previous Ebay id of qut9.
Will Jaimet is involved in the long hockey card post above.

PSA Cert #28728153

1969 Topps Mickey Mantle #500 (white letters)

Value gain of $18,386.40

This cert is currently in a user's private set registry inventory.

This card was purchased by Ebay ID qut9 (Will Jaimet) from Ebay seller jpcards as a PSA 7 for $4,500.00 on September 06, 2016.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...w/149021/PSA/7



Same card was sold by Mile High Auctions as a PSA 8 for $22,886.40 on June 21, 2018.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...w/149021/PSA/8

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.

[Vladdy Jr]

Originally Posted by ken161

Corndog, you need to chill. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Joe Orlando said himself recently that PSA has been unaffected by this alleged fraud. At the PSA luncheon dinner at the National, the subject of card trimming was not even broached. Yes, t***9 purchases of vintage cards are literally everywhere on VCP, but I'm confident this 69 Mantle is a rare exception in that it made it by the stellar PSA netminders.

I have utter faith and belief in PSA. I am not afraid to purchase high-grade cards at "tomorrow's prices" because I know I will never get cheated.

Lolzzzz! Nothing like the good folks from PSA attempting to disregard their scam in a Blowout thread. Or am I totally off here.... you work for PWCC? GTFO and take your trimmed cards with you.

[ThoseBackPages]

PBMs fighting is my favorite BO fighting!

[corndog]

Again from an anonymous tip. Jaimet sat on this card for a little while before grading it. Other cards from the sub list confirm it never changed hands before trimming and grading.

PSA Cert #42276999

1967 Wacky Packs Die Cut Pure Hex #16

Value gain of $2,440.00

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Brian's 1967 Topps Wacky Die Cuts.

This card was purchased by Ebay ID qut9 (Will Jaimet) from Ebay seller 70topcat as a PSA 8 for $210.00 on June 14, 2017.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/n...e/193991/PSA/8

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $2,650.00 on February 27, 2019.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1917022

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge. Very noticeable if you look at the two small snipped images and the spacing between the type and the right edge.

[Vladdy Jr]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

PBMs fighting is my favorite BO fighting!

Assumptions.... I know you’re smart enough to know the true definition of an assumption.
Since you attack roughly 50% of my posts, I need to ask you, where can I buy one of those super cool XXXXXXXXL “Buy The Card, Not The Grade” T-Shirts? I’ll be happy to locate the nearest Supercuts for you in exchange for this info. Thanks buddy!

[signed79]

The back and forth bickering makes it difficult for people just hearing about the scandal to read through these threads. Have a disagreement and let it go - for the sake of the hobby, please.

[tconte]

In a sequentially numbered stretch of 21 PSA certs, there are 13 vintage PSA 10s - most trimmed and the others with no prior sale found. In that 21 card range there were 10 consecutive 10s given by PSA's experts. I believe the odds of that occurring with 50+ year old trimmed cards is astronomical without insider assistance from within PSA.

Unreal!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Vladdy Jr

Assumptions.... I know you’re smart enough to know the true definition of an assumption.
Since you attack roughly 50% of my posts, I need to ask you, where can I buy one of those super cool XXXXXXXXL “Buy The Card, Not The Grade” T-Shirts? I’ll be happy to locate the nearest Supercuts for you in exchange for this info. Thanks buddy!

online!

[Rooftop]

Originally Posted by corndog

Again from an anonymous tip. Jaimet sat on this card for a little while before grading it. Other cards from the sub list confirm it never changed hands before trimming and grading.

PSA Cert #42276999

1967 Wacky Packs Die Cut Pure Hex #16

Value gain of $2,440.00

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Brian's 1967 Topps Wacky Die Cuts.

This card was purchased by Ebay ID qut9 (Will Jaimet) from Ebay seller 70topcat as a PSA 8 for $210.00 on June 14, 2017.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/n...e/193991/PSA/8

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $2,650.00 on February 27, 2019.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1917022

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge. Very noticeable if you look at the two small snipped images and the spacing between the type and the right edge.

Trimming wacky cards? Is not anything sacred anymore?

[ken161]

Originally Posted by Rooftop

Trimming wacky cards? Is not anything sacred anymore?

I was thinking the same thing. Cultural barbarians.

[corndog]

Again from an anonymous tip.

PSA Cert #41328911

1967 Wacky Packs Die Cut Spray Nit #7

Value gain of $660.49

This cert is currently in a private Set Registry inventory.

This card was purchased by Ebay ID qut9 (Will Jaimet) from Ebay seller tonyetrade as a PSA 8 for $247.50 on May 22, 2018.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/n...a/193981/PSA/8

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $907.99 on November 20, 2018.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1861432

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.

[Rooftop]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1288383&page=7

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Am I at the point where I think PSA is "in on it?" I suppose you'd have to define what "in on it" entails. I think they very clearly have been criminally (in our sense of the word) incompetent and that may have included some sort of veil of ignorance as they just tried to keep up with submissions. But even when we pull up huge trimmed submissions we find a decent amount of cards get rejected for Evid Trimming so they obviously were doing their job to some degree. That degree was just sorely inept.

Founded on fraud with 00000001

“[A] focus on buying the best quality you can afford is a good thing.” including from known card doctors submissions they have been doing business with for 15+ years?

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Do I think there's a conspiracy where bags of money are changing hands in parking lots and other cloak & dagger stuff? I'm not there yet.

It appears to me the bags of money are submission fees and then the kickbacks are putting PSA 10 , PSA 9 (kickbacks) on the flips to help sales that in turn generate more submissions. Revolving cycle of scratching each others back$$$$

[pspa123]

10 consecutive vintage 10s is nothing short of astonishing, even leaving aside the trimming. And that's putting it mildly. I know people who have submitted virgin material for decades and probably haven't received that many 10s in total. Something seems very wrong to me.

[blackbears86]

[QUOTE=corndog;15169740]*** I realize that I had posted this in the wrong thread yesterday. OCSI/card-buyer is not involved with these cards. PWCC was once again the vehicle used to anonymously unload all of these trimmed cards.

It took me a while to figure this one out (I think). I came across this string of vintage graded PSA 10s several weeks ago and couldn't pin down who submitted them. I have typically seen the usual masked VCP ID of b***y when I find the before purchases, but it wasn't the case this time. The submission numbers in the cards that I am about to post begin with 27755431 and end with 27751452 and total 21 cards. There are three different initial VCP purchase IDs involved that include an unknown Ebay ID with the masked Ebay ID of 9***9 and VCP masked ID of e***c, and an unknown Ebay ID with a masked Ebay ID of p***e and a matched VCP masked ID of p***e and a VCP masked ID of t***9 . While I cannot confirm a link between the three, they do seem to be from the same submission and all of the after sales were through PWCC with many being sold on the same date.

The majority of the posted card images have poor first sale scans or only a front scan that I could not 100% confirm a match. I posted the first scans that I am confident are a match.

In a sequentially numbered stretch of 21 PSA certs, there are 13 vintage PSA 10s - most trimmed and the others with no prior sale found. In that 21 card range there were 10 consecutive 10s given by PSA's experts. I believe the odds of that occurring with 50+ year old trimmed cards is astronomical without insider assistance from within PSA.

Any help in identifying these three masked VCP ID's would be greatly appreciated.

The cards are as follows:

#27755431 - PSA 10 - 1960 Parkhurst Jack McIntyre #24
Could not find a prior sale. Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $2,024.00.



#27755432 - PSA 9 - 1960 Parkhurst Barry Cullen #32
Could not find a prior sale. Sold by PWCC on 10/26/17 for $88.66.

#27755433 - PSA 9 - 1960 Parkhurst Henri Richard #47
Purchased by e***c on 6/12/17 as a PSA 8 for $250.00.
Sold by PWCC on 10/26/17 for $379.00. Only a front scan provided. Trimmed on right edge.
PSA Set Registry: George's Gems



#27755434 - PSA 9 - 1961 Topps Murray Balfour #33
No sale record in VCP.

#27755435 - PSA 8 - 1961 Topps Doug Harvey #45
Could not find a prior sale. Sold by PWCC on 10/26/17 for $59.00.

#27755436 - PSA 9 - 1962 Parkhurst Jean Beliveau #39
Purchased by e***c on 12/01/16 as a PSA 8 for $110.95.
No sale record on VCP.

#27755437 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Dick Duff #4
Purchased by e***c on 03/27/17 as a PSA 8 for $36.00.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $561.00.
Poor first scan. Borders and mis-registered colors match (not 100% though). Trimmed right edge.
PSA Set Registry: George's Gems



#27755438 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Ed Litzenberger #6
Purchased by e***c on 03/27/17 as a PSA 8 for $30.00.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $235.50.
Poor first scan. Borders, smudges, and mis-registered colors match (not 100% though). Trimmed left and bottom edges.
PSA Set Registry: private



#27755439 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Bob Nevin #10
Purchased by e***c on 03/27/17 as a PSA 8 for $36.00.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $787.00.
Poor first scan. Borders, smudge, and mis-registered colors match (not 100% though). Trimmed right edge.
PSA Set Registry: George's Gems



#27755440 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Bob Pulford #12
Purchased by e***c on 05/23/17 as a PSA 8 for $30.00.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $257.00.
Poor first scan. Borders, smudge, and mis-registered colors match (not 100% though). Trimmed right edge.
PSA Set Registry: Martin the Erudicious Hockey Antiquarian



#27755441 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Pete Goegan #43
Purchased by e***c on 05/23/17 as a PSA 8 for $30.00.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $699.00.
Poor first scan. Borders, smudge, print spots match (not 100% though). Trimmed left and right edges.
PSA Set Registry: George's Gems



#27755442 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Billy McNeill #56
Purchased by e***c on 05/28/17 as a PSA 8 for $24.99.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $678.00.
Poor first scan. Borders, smudge, print spots match (not 100% though). No conclusive evidence of trimming.
PSA Set Registry: private



#27755443 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Kent Douglas #67
Could not locate a prior sale.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $777.00.
PSA Set Registry: rjmjr



#27755444 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Bob Pulford #72
Purchased by e***c on 03/27/17 as a PSA 8 for $25.00.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $326.00.
Poor first scan. Borders, smudge, print spots match (not 100% though).
Trimmed left and right edges.
PSA Set Registry: I've clearly gone INSANE!



#27755445 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Ron Stewart #74
Purchased by e***c on 03/20/17 as a PSA 8 for $38.00.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $1,236.00.
Poor first scan. Borders, smudge, print spots match (not 100% though).
Trimmed bottom edge.
PSA Set Registry: George's Gems



#27755446 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Ralph Backstrom #83
Purchased by p***e on 03/20/17 as a PSA 8 for $38.00.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $372.00.
Borders, smudge, print spots match.
Trimmed left edge.
PSA Set Registry: George's Gems





#27755447 - PSA 9 - 1963 Parkhurst Jean Beliveau #89
No sale found.
PSA Set Registry: none

#27755448 - PSA 9 - 1963 Parkhurst Terry Harper #91
Purchased by p***e on 03/20/17 as a PSA 8 for $43.99.
Sold by PWCC on 10/26/17 for $72.00.
Good front and back scans to verify a match - only posted the front scan since there is enough to confirm a match. Borders, smudge, print spots match.
Trimmed left and top edges.
PSA Set Registry: none



#27755449 - PSA 10 - 1963 Parkhurst Gump Worsley #98
No prior graded sale found.
Sold by PWCC on 11/27/17 for $932.79.
PSA Set Registry: none





These hockey cards are some of the most egregious trim jobs I've seen posted on these boards, and that's saying a lot. The Richard is disgusting (kudos Corndog for uncovering these)



It has me thinking that this stretches beyond mere incompetence in grading by PSA.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Naturally I just skimmed all of this

Its just easy to see you're indifferent, and think if lots of people get scammed along the way and lose tens of millions of dollars, so be it...perhaps things will get better one day...or maybe not. You're saying it's OK for PWCC, grading companies, and card doctors everywhere to enrich themselves during the process, even if they're contributing to the fraud, as slabs at least provide a false sense of security.

PSA/BGS/SGC have all demonstrated that their services are unable to reliably catch alterations, and, as you admit, the problem is getting steadily worse and worse rather than better. But you remain unconcerned. If a million relatively high-end slabs have cards found to be altered in the next months, you would argue it wouldn't make a difference.

So with this laissez-faire attitude, why bother posting in these threads? Clearly since you're posting here, you of course realize you're the kind of person the many people perpetuating fraud like to have in the hobby.

Indifferent? What should my posts here in this thread look like? All caps rants that just continuously say the same rhetoric over and over again like "PSA is the devil and we need to burn them to the ground!"? If I expressed rage in the written word here in these threads then that would make my posts more understandable?

Should I just keep posting the same old Joe O. quotes from 15 years ago that make him look like an arse but don't really contribute anything to the process?

Is it just more important that I toe the mob mentality line and carry a torch than actually use some independent thought and accept some hard truths?

I can scream and yell until the cows come home but that isn't going to change what is going to happen. And talking about what is going to happen doesn't mean I'm indifferent, it means I'm trying to prepare for it and find a way around it.

It's funny, I'm in here completely acknowledging PSA's grotesque incompetence and trying to put forth realistic ideas on how to go about handling this mess and I'm the bad guy. Meanwhile, board buddy Jewcer gets praised for pumping hundreds and hundreds of cards into PSA all the time.

I must be doing a horrible job of articulating my points. I took a break from the trimming threads for a while because they just resulted in me taking shite for not being angry enough and now we're back to that again. BODA has a good thing going here and I'm not going to clog it up with arguments.

Corndog, follow the Heritage trail.

Arthur

[pspa123]

Sounds like a song from the Wizard of Oz.

Follow the Heritage Trail.
Follow the Heritage Trial.
Follow the follow the follow the follow the
Follow the Heritage Trail.

But I agree that could well be a fruitful endeavor at the high end.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Should I just keep posting the same old Joe O. quotes from 15 years ago that make him look like an arse but don't really contribute anything to the process?

Seriously, you are falling for PSA's meaningful contributions rhetoric?

Wakeup and smell the coffee... it is all about $$$$$ with PSA. Money talks and makes all the decisions.

[geomon]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Oh. My. God.

[mattglet]

Does anyone know if VCP has stated one way or the other that they do/do not have the unmasked buyer IDs?

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Seriously, you are falling for PSA's meaningful contributions rhetoric?

Wakeup and smell the coffee... it is all about $$$$$ with PSA. Money talks and makes all the decisions.

And the "Emperors New Clothes" collectors continue to laud them, flood them with submissions and praise, and hand over their hard earned money to this corrupt and incompetent enterprise. I cannot think of a bigger sham in all of the business world. I'm reminded of Enron (with the very similar style of lying and deception), but unfortunately Enron faced greater scrutiny than PSA.

I guess the ONLY way they'll ever go away is if Law Enforcement forces the issue. Seriously, I wonder how many mistakes they'd have to make for the paying public to finally abandon them. I guess that's what's being referred to as the tipping point. I honestly believe they could get half (50%) wrong, and still thrive as a business. The FBI represents our only hope for change.

[ken161]

I think a few card doctors may have used some of this Pure Hex to remove stains from pre-war cards. Looks like pretty potent stuff (and undetectable by PSA). An outed 1948 Leaf Joe DiMaggio comes to mind.

Originally Posted by corndog

Again from an anonymous tip. Jaimet sat on this card for a little while before grading it. Other cards from the sub list confirm it never changed hands before trimming and grading.

PSA Cert #42276999

1967 Wacky Packs Die Cut Pure Hex #16

Value gain of $2,440.00

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Brian's 1967 Topps Wacky Die Cuts.

This card was purchased by Ebay ID qut9 (Will Jaimet) from Ebay seller 70topcat as a PSA 8 for $210.00 on June 14, 2017.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/n...e/193991/PSA/8

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $2,650.00 on February 27, 2019.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1917022

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge. Very noticeable if you look at the two small snipped images and the spacing between the type and the right edge.

[corndog]

Came across another Moser purchase.

PSA Cert #20870984

1948 Leaf Kirby Higbe #129

Value gain of $386.49

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Steve Anderson.

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller www,stevenovella,com as a PSA 5 for $239.49 on October 24, 2012.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...29/42337/PSA/5

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 6 for $625.98 on October 05, 2014.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1036682

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge. No back image provided.