Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer - Page 2292

440ToCenter · 11-10-2020, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tconte

Did the Fonz make the jump? I couldn’t tell as I had my eyes closed!

Heeeeey...

cavsfan70 · 11-10-2020, 09:14 AM

There aren't many Siff Mookie cards listed (base, not AP).... and they're in the 250+ range.

Let's see how this plays out.

Also... good luck to all who's paying up for the Art Prints. The timing of them is odd to me... and I'd love them at 1/2 the price they're listed at. I can see the Ermsy Trout selling out in the first day (and maybe a few others that people love)

PDCCollectibles · 11-10-2020, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hammertime

I wonder if it will suck any of the wind out of the base card PRs?

I think it's just another 'extra' (along with companions, artist autos, etc.) that takes away from the actually P2020 cards....imo.

Silas Barnaby · 11-10-2020, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kidfan9

So will we be getting non signed prints like those for Living Set? Doesn't sound like it, right?

Hopefully not.

JRX · 11-10-2020, 09:32 AM

Is there really a market for this? Printruns have been dropping, i'll be surprised if they sell 99 of these at 400 ea.

mwheeler27 · 11-10-2020, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cavsfan70

There aren't many Siff Mookie cards listed (base, not AP).... and they're in the 250+ range.

Let's see how this plays out.

Still cheaper on my site.

I have the set of 3 listed for under $200.

mwheeler27 · 11-10-2020, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

Is there really a market for this? Printruns have been dropping, i'll be surprised if they sell 99 of these at 400 ea.

I'm going to buy whatever releases this week and then see how things play out.

Hopefully I get to see the quality, (which I'm sure will better than other prints Topps has done to this point), before I have to decide to buy more.

ChutneyGrey · 11-10-2020, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I'm going to buy whatever releases this week and then see how things play out.

Hopefully I get to see the quality, (which I'm sure will better than other prints Topps has done to this point), before I have to decide to buy more.

Curious to see how the framing is. If they are decent frames the price isn't that bad, framing (quality) is expensive. But I would rather frame it myself and pay less for the print.

dOubleO · 11-10-2020, 09:54 AM

Today's cards are...

Oliroller · 11-10-2020, 09:54 AM

We will let Matt be the guinea pig for these. He can report back on the quality. Jacob Rochester posted a picture of his framed Mays leaning against a wall, and it honestly looked pretty nice

Oliroller · 11-10-2020, 09:55 AM

Wow, I never thought I'd like a Siff card again. But I like this one. Kudos.

RyanSwinger · 11-10-2020, 09:56 AM

My issues are as follows:
- size/boarder: the 12x14 is small to begin with but the way its shown in the pictures makes me think the actually card will be even smaller considering the massive boarder on the print.
- the price: maybe $1k for the artist collection signed by the artist on print is worth it but there is no way these individual prints are worth $400-$1000.
- the frame: the colored frame to distinguish value is about the dumbest thing ive ever heard. i dont see any of these frames being quality and the glass on the prints is prob cheap and both will need to be reframed anyway.
- no real "ap": what makes something an AP? unless they are also selling original paintings it sounds like a money grab.
- the rollout: why release 20 a week? even the deepest pockets will not by more than 1-3 per week
- the lack of transparent PR: assuming they do not sell out, how will anyone know how many were actually sold? are they going to burn the rest?
- timing: who at Topps actually thinks the timing of this makes sense? artist and the secondary market have bleed this set almost bone dry and Topps assumes they can muster another $400-$1000 out of people when AP cards arent even in demand anymore? sure they sell but begrudgingly

bottom line- i guess this may bring attention but its not the attention the set needs and it ticks me off. my gripe is in no way a knock on the artist or the set (which i love).

Cardsfan79 · 11-10-2020, 10:00 AM

Early link for todays artist proof cards. Should go live around 12pm EST but could be sooner.

https://www.topps.com/cards-collecti...oof-to-20.html

https://www.topps.com/cards-collecti...oof-to-20.html

AirplaneDon · 11-10-2020, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I'm going to buy whatever releases this week and then see how things play out.

Hopefully I get to see the quality, (which I'm sure will better than other prints Topps has done to this point), before I have to decide to buy more.

The quality of the print is my main concern. I'm looking forward to hearing how they are when you get them, and hopefully Siff Brett hasn't dropped by then, as that would be one I would strongly consider buying.

AirplaneDon · 11-10-2020, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ChutneyGrey

Curious to see how the framing is. If they are decent frames the price isn't that bad, framing (quality) is expensive. But I would rather frame it myself and pay less for the print.

Agree with this, but then I also worry about Topps ability to ship a print in a tube securely.

ThoseBackPages · 11-10-2020, 10:09 AM

i like how Siff layered his minor league insert on top of his Rookie Card! well done!

guess i will wind up getting the tupac

armenexchange · 11-10-2020, 10:10 AM

quality of the prints are really good, deckled edges, linen paper...its not just basic cardstock. frames are pretty standard. think prices are still a bit high but can say the paper quality is solid, on par with some of the nicer artists prints I've bought in the past if that's the main concern on these. Good luck to whoever going for these. It'll be interesting to watch when it drops!

AirplaneDon · 11-10-2020, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliroller

Wow, I never thought I'd like a Siff card again. But I like this one. Kudos.

Probably because he put in a OMA sized block of text up top

There is A LOT going on in that card. Siff is just designing for the prints now apparently.

dbpsooner · 11-10-2020, 10:14 AM

That Trout is fantastic. Wow

Bruvydsb · 11-10-2020, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i like how Siff layered his minor league insert on top of his Rookie Card! well done!

guess i will wind up getting the tupac

Isn't that his First Bowman Chrome card? We really calling that a "minor league insert"?

ThoseBackPages · 11-10-2020, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruvydsb

Isn't that his First Bowman Chrome card? We really calling that a "minor league insert"?

yes it is. most dont call it that, even though that's what it is

1000 Sport Zonk · 11-10-2020, 10:19 AM

Big GULP on these prints of the p2020 cards! I guess this must be a holiday gift push??

If I was wealthy I would buy a Don C Frank Thomas print as a goof, but, I am not in such a bracket.

Bruvydsb · 11-10-2020, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yes it is. most dont call it that, even though that's what it is

Big Bowman fan, got it

Oliroller · 11-10-2020, 10:21 AM

I said the same thing last night...if you buy the Don C Frank Thomas you have a very good shot at getting the gold, because it may be the only one sold.

1000 Sport Zonk · 11-10-2020, 10:22 AM

Siff is the most Love it / Hate it artist for me in this whole project. I do not like this Trout at all, it would improve a lot without the gradient core full of microscopic doodles.

11-10-2020, 09:56 AM	#57287
RyanSwinger Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1,104	My issues are as follows: - size/boarder: the 12x14 is small to begin with but the way its shown in the pictures makes me think the actually card will be even smaller considering the massive boarder on the print. - the price: maybe $1k for the artist collection signed by the artist on print is worth it but there is no way these individual prints are worth $400-$1000. - the frame: the colored frame to distinguish value is about the dumbest thing ive ever heard. i dont see any of these frames being quality and the glass on the prints is prob cheap and both will need to be reframed anyway. - no real "ap": what makes something an AP? unless they are also selling original paintings it sounds like a money grab. - the rollout: why release 20 a week? even the deepest pockets will not by more than 1-3 per week - the lack of transparent PR: assuming they do not sell out, how will anyone know how many were actually sold? are they going to burn the rest? - timing: who at Topps actually thinks the timing of this makes sense? artist and the secondary market have bleed this set almost bone dry and Topps assumes they can muster another $400-$1000 out of people when AP cards arent even in demand anymore? sure they sell but begrudgingly bottom line- i guess this may bring attention but its not the attention the set needs and it ticks me off. my gripe is in no way a knock on the artist or the set (which i love). Last edited by RyanSwinger; 11-10-2020 at 09:58 AM.

11-10-2020, 10:09 AM	#57291
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,737 ThoseBackPages	i like how Siff layered his minor league insert on top of his Rookie Card! well done! guess i will wind up getting the tupac __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

11-10-2020, 09:14 AM	#57277
cavsfan70 Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: OH > TN > NC Posts: 1,195 nosebleed70 bigcontracts	There aren't many Siff Mookie cards listed (base, not AP).... and they're in the 250+ range. Let's see how this plays out. Also... good luck to all who's paying up for the Art Prints. The timing of them is odd to me... and I'd love them at 1/2 the price they're listed at. I can see the Ermsy Trout selling out in the first day (and maybe a few others that people love)

11-10-2020, 09:32 AM	#57280
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,677	Is there really a market for this? Printruns have been dropping, i'll be surprised if they sell 99 of these at 400 ea.

11-10-2020, 09:54 AM	#57284
dOubleO Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Toronto Posts: 398 d0uble0	Today's cards are...

11-10-2020, 09:54 AM	#57285
Oliroller Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 4,031	We will let Matt be the guinea pig for these. He can report back on the quality. Jacob Rochester posted a picture of his framed Mays leaning against a wall, and it honestly looked pretty nice

11-10-2020, 09:55 AM	#57286
Oliroller Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 4,031	Wow, I never thought I'd like a Siff card again. But I like this one. Kudos.

11-10-2020, 10:00 AM	#57288
Cardsfan79 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 93	Early link for todays artist proof cards. Should go live around 12pm EST but could be sooner. https://www.topps.com/cards-collecti...oof-to-20.html https://www.topps.com/cards-collecti...oof-to-20.html

11-10-2020, 10:10 AM	#57292
armenexchange Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 135	quality of the prints are really good, deckled edges, linen paper...its not just basic cardstock. frames are pretty standard. think prices are still a bit high but can say the paper quality is solid, on par with some of the nicer artists prints I've bought in the past if that's the main concern on these. Good luck to whoever going for these. It'll be interesting to watch when it drops!

11-10-2020, 10:14 AM	#57294
dbpsooner Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Omaha Posts: 2,984 dbpsooner	That Trout is fantastic. Wow

11-10-2020, 10:19 AM	#57297
1000 Sport Zonk Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 1,368	Big GULP on these prints of the p2020 cards! I guess this must be a holiday gift push?? If I was wealthy I would buy a Don C Frank Thomas print as a goof, but, I am not in such a bracket.

11-10-2020, 10:21 AM	#57299
Oliroller Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 4,031	I said the same thing last night...if you buy the Don C Frank Thomas you have a very good shot at getting the gold, because it may be the only one sold.

11-10-2020, 10:22 AM	#57300
1000 Sport Zonk Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 1,368	Siff is the most Love it / Hate it artist for me in this whole project. I do not like this Trout at all, it would improve a lot without the gradient core full of microscopic doodles.