**The Perennial MIKE TROUT Thread**

[wharfrat7624]

Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

I bid but did not win. My bids were simply to tell myself I bid. If I won, great. I think it went too high and it's going to be returned or not paid for. Although the crease is clear in the picture, he made no mention of it and simply said the grade was from a scratch on the front. I'm hoping it's relisted and the crease mentioned so it goes for less.

Ahh ok. Well good luck if it gets relisted.


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[ThoseBackPages]

did Block or Gary win it?

[Shadowsonic2004]

Originally Posted by Rabs

Someone else say it, I'm not this time.

Not sure what you're trying to get at but I would take another June type stats in July.

[Shadowsonic2004]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

did Block or Gary win it?

It doesn't appear that way. Although I did just notice that I won a nice Trout today from the same seller of the PSA 2 Diamond.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

Trust me, I want this card. I love low grade cards. $740 is hard to swallow for it though. Might not even stop me. I doubt anyone here is interested in buying it though, which is why I posted it pre ending.

I would have LOVED to buy it....that would be a fun card to own.... but not for $780 dlvd. I think I paid that for my Quad 9.5 Diamond back in Feb 2017.

[Chrisyork33]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyd...outputType=amp

Spicy take. Let's keep watching as Trout Vs DJ plays out in the second half.

[Chrisyork33]

Originally Posted by moosetequila

July 16, seeing fish for the first time!! Excited!!!

Road Trip!!!

Awesome man, excited for you.

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

Not sure what you're trying to get at but I would take another June type stats in July.

I hyped him up for June and repeatedly said June was the month. He did actually have a really good month. My point was I’m not hyping him up for July this time. Of course I would take a July like his June.


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[Chrisyork33]

Originally Posted by Rabs

I hyped him up for June and repeatedly said June was the month. He did actually have a really good month. My point was I’m not hyping him up for July this time. Of course I would take a July like his June.


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I will be the July hype man. This season has remind me a lot of '15 Trout. If you go back and look July was incredible for him that year. Here is to history repeating itself.

#dontdenydaJuly

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by Chrisyork33

I will be the July hype man. This season has remind me a lot of '15 Trout. If you go back and look July was incredible for him that year. Here is to history repeating itself.



#dontdenydaJuly

I pass the torch to you. Let’s gooooooo!


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[caflisch78]

Originally Posted by Chrisyork33

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyd...outputType=amp

Spicy take. Let's keep watching as Trout Vs DJ plays out in the second half.

I can only lol at this the second I saw it was from a NY news outlet. #TrustLasVegasOdds

[Tim]

Originally Posted by caflisch78

I can only lol at this the second I saw it was from a NY news outlet. #TrustLasVegasOdds

you can lol all day long but if DJ keeps this up (unlikely) and the yanks win (likely), we will be sweating out the MVP race - i guarantee it.

[clocsta2323]

He does make some sense about how ignorant people are who argue that a player's superiority begins and ends with WAR.

Edit: Very happy for DJ. Never got his just due because he played in Colorado. Hopefully his season can modulate the impassioned Coors Field nut jobs

[Chrisyork33]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.usa...this-month/amp

Did somebody say WAR?

[SidVish]

Originally Posted by Chrisyork33

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.usa...this-month/amp

Did somebody say WAR?

So for those who can't click or don't want to here is the article in the above link:

Mike Trout Monday: The 13 Hall of Famers Mike Trout surpassed in WAR in June By: Ted Berg | July 1, 2019 10:40 am

In appreciation of Mike Trout’s consistent greatness, Mike Trout Monday is For The Win’s weekly roundup of stuff Mike Trout did.

Accept no alternatives or imitations: It’s the original Hall of Famers Mike Trout surpassed in WAR, a For The Win tradition dating back to July of 2016.

Like every calendar month Mike Trout has played in since becoming a full-time big-leaguer in 2012, June marked another great month for ol’ Mike Trout. The Angels’ 27-year-old superstar rocked a .320/.440/.681 line with nine homers and strong play in center field across 28 games since June 1.

In the process, Trout increased his career WAR to a hefty 69.5. Because guys that valuable tend to wind up enshrined in Cooperstown, most guys Trout surpasses on the career WAR leaderboard at this point are Hall of Famers. Trout surpassed 13 Hall of Famers in career WAR in June alone. Here they are:

1. Fred Clarke: A deadball era outfielder who blossomed into a superstar once he gave up his youthful carousing, Clarke finished his career with 2,678 hits, 509 steals, and a sturdy 133 OPS+. Clarke committed 49 outfield errors in 1895, but he is credited as the inventor of the diving catch.

2. Ryne Sandberg: When this author played his first Little League season, he did so wearing a glove with Ryne Sandberg’s signature on it because Ryne Sandberg was that dude in the late 1980s and early 1990s. A nine-time Gold Glover who popped 282 career homers in an era when second base was typically reserved for slap hitters, Sandberg made 10 All-Star games, won the NL MVP in 1984, and finished with a lower career WAR than Mike Trout has right now.

3. Carl Hubbell: In a five-season stretch from 1933-1937, King Carl averaged 298 innings a year with a 2.52 ERA and a strikeout-to-walk ratio practically unheard of in his era. In a pair of starts in the Giants’ 1933 World Series win, Hubbell threw 20 innings with no earned runs allowed. His reign of greatness might have started sooner had Ty Cobb not convinced him to scrap his screwball early in his career. But he did, so Hubbell could not rack up more WAR in 16 mostly stellar seasons in the Majors as Mike Trout has in 8 1/2.

4. Jim Palmer: Those blinded by his steamy Jockey ads might forget that Palmer was one of the greatest pitchers of his era with or without clothes on. Back when people cared a lot about 20-game winners, Palmer won 20 or more games in eight of nine seasons from 1970-1978. Palmer won three Cy Young Awards, three World Series and a heck of a lot of hearts, but failed to match Mike Trout in career WAR.

5. Edgar Martinez: Unlike most human beings who’ve ever walked this Earth, Edgar Martinez actually hit nearly as well as Trout during his best years. From 1995-2000 with the Mariners, Martinez sported an incredible .332/.449/.579 line. But Martinez had a fairly short, late peak and was a full-time DH for all of it, so he was not as valuable in 16 excellent big-league seasons as Trout has been to date in his career.

6. Carlton Fisk: One of two Hall of Fame catchers nicknamed “Pudge” that Mike Trout surpassed in WAR this month, Fisk combined good hitting with outrageous longevity behind the plate. Dude caught 106 games at age 43 in 1991. Insane.

7. Ivan Rodriguez: The other of two Hall of Fame catchers nicknamed “Pudge” that Mike Trout surpassed in WAR this month, Rodriguez was a game-changing defensive backstop and a very good hitter in his best years. Did you remember that Ivan Rodriguez stole 25 bases in 1999? I must have known that at some point, but I forgot it until I visited his baseball-reference.com page this morning to see the ways he did not quite match up with Trout. To be fair to both Pudges, the rigors of catching prevent guys from getting enough playing time to amass huge WAR totals, plus there’s a case to be made that the stat undervalues catcher defense. Rodriguez and Fisk are third and fourth, respectively, among all catchers on the WAR leaderboard. Trout’s likely going to surpass the No. 1 catcher, Johnny Bench, sometime early next season.

8. Eddie Murray: The 1980s knew few better bats or better mustaches. With Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Albert Pujols, Rafael Palmeiro and Alex Rodriguez, Murray is one of only six hitters in MLB history with more than 3,000 hits and more than 500 homers. He was undeniably one of the greatest switch-hitters of all time. But Murray played first base, and as such his lack of defensive value across his stellar 21-year career prevented him from matching Mike Trout in WAR.

9. Al Simmons: Here’s a wild fact: The only team in MLB history to have more than 40 hitters reach base in a game — the 1932 Cleveland Indians — lost that game, in part because their opponent had both Al Simmons and Jimmie Foxx. Simmons went 5-for-9 with a walk in the Philadelphia A’s 18-17, 18-inning win. He was a career .334 hitter with power whose open batting stance earned him the nickname “Bucketfoot Al.” No one has cool nicknames like Bucketfoot Al anymore.

10. Red Ruffing: One of the best pitchers on some of the best teams for the dynastic Yankees in the 1930s, Ruffing finished with as many World Series rings as he had total toes: Six. Despite losing four toes in a coal-mining accident as a teenager, Ruffing was drafted into military service at age 37 in 1942. Missing more than two seasons for noncombat duty during World War II cost Ruffing the chance to finish with a higher career WAR than Mike Trout has right now.

11. John Smoltz: In this day and age, with the way the game is now, Mike Trout has a higher career WAR than John Smoltz.

12. Tony Gwynn: When you’re in the business of listing Hall of Famers Mike Trout surpassed in WAR, you’re inevitably going to offend some people when you point out that Mike Trout surpassed some of their all-time heroes. But WAR isn’t an opinion, and no one’s here to knock Tony Gwynn. Ask basically every pitcher who ever faced Gwynn to name the guy that gave them the most trouble, and they’ll all say Gwynn. The guy was unbelievable. But Gwynn, for all his preternatural contact ability, did not hit with a ton of power or draw a ton of walks or play especially good defense in the latter half of his career. Maybe he wasn’t trying to hit dingers the way guys do now, and maybe if he did, his stats would look a lot different. No one can say. But what we can say is that by WAR — a very good but undoubtedly imperfect metric — Tony Gwynn, a bona fide legend of the game who won eight batting titles, was not as valuable in parts of 20 big-league seasons as Mike Trout has been in parts of nine. Again, it’s not about Gwynn. It’s about Trout. The guy is absurd.

13. Tim Raines: I went to one of the Montreal Expos’ final home games at Olympic Stadium back in 2004 — I want to say this one, but I’m not completely sure. The place was almost completely empty, so my friends and I moved down to seats a couple rows behind first base. Raines was coaching the Expos at the time and knew someone sitting in the row ahead of us, so he came over to talk with them, and we were all just completely stunned and star-struck. I mean, Tim Raines, man. That’s one of the greatest and coolest and most exciting players of our youth, chatting it up within like, five feet of where we’re sitting. Little did we know that Mike Trout would come along in a few years to knock Tim Raines down the WAR leaderboard. But to our credit, Mike Trout was 13 at the time and WAR did not exist yet.

[Rabs]

First his brother in law and now Skaggs. Can't be easy for him.

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by Rabs

First his brother in law and now Skaggs. Can't be easy for him.

Seriously......

[Chrisyork33]

What a difference a day makes. All of the conversation on will July be better than June or will DJ or Mike win the MVP just seems small now.

Thoughts and prayers to the Skaggs and Angels family.

[SidVish]

Trout's tweet:

"Words cannot express the deep sadness we feel right now. Our thoughts and prayers are with Carli and their families. Remembering him as a great teammate, friend, and person who will forever remain in our hearts... we love you, 45."

[ToddW]

Trout Topps Now auto up for sale today, fyi.

[WalterAZ31]

Originally Posted by Chrisyork33

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyd...outputType=amp

Spicy take. Let's keep watching as Trout Vs DJ plays out in the second half.

geez that was just so nauseating to read

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

geez that was just so nauseating to read

LOL. That’s why I didn’t even bother.

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

LOL. That’s why I didn’t even bother.

Basically says DJ will win because he plays on a winning team and has an impact on the Yankees

[Chrisyork33]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

geez that was just so nauseating to read

After everything that happened, I really regret posting it. Hopefully the guys will find the game to be a welcome distraction during this time.

[Shadowsonic2004]

Not many of them sold to go by but I picked up a Immaculate red button patch PSA 10. Felt like a good price. $300. Only thing knocking it is being Panini.