2022 Topps Chrome Baseball Pre Sale.. thoughts?

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by nomarkj

Saw an email that Topps sent out that they oversold on these and they are going to cancel orders?

Originally Posted by yodastories

I don't understand this. Even sites like Big Cartel have a box where you enter the inventory and when it reaches zero it doesn't sell anymore.

Originally Posted by elny43

I haven't seen this anywhere. Do you have a screenshot?

Originally Posted by Blake050

They're still showing as available on topps.com...

[KhalDrogo]

Y’all are so desperate for this to sell out that you’ll believe anything. I’m sure Topps sent out a handful of emails saying they oversold, but managed to leave the product available on the site.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

You mean, I’m not going to get the 76 boxes I purchased yesterday from the website?

[Dbacksbaseball]

Always amazes me the loudest people are the people who dont want the product.

If you dont want the product, have no interest in it, dont think its a winner, why post 937 times in 4 pages? That desperate to beat your chest on a sportscard forum?

[SGC300ier]

None of it makes sense haha. So the SP's are NOT in these boxes...and the image variation is a variation of a card that doesn't exist?

I can't wait to open them!

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Y’all are so desperate for this to sell out that you’ll believe anything. I’m sure Topps sent out a handful of emails saying they oversold, but managed to leave the product available on the site.

Almost as desperate as you are for this to sit on the site forever and not be sold. You are such a hypocrite.

What you fail to understand is that Topps has significantly cut down on bots. This means the last couple online exclusive releases have lasted MUCH longer on the website than they used to. The 14,000 or so Finest Flashbacks boxes sat for days even though there was high demand. So the fact that these 44,000 or so boxes are not sold out doesn't mean what you think (and clearly hope) it means.

[ThoseBackPages]

im sure topps will say the ESPs were meant to be in the product

[rngrdanny22]

Has a Rose Gold surfaced yet?

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

What you fail to understand is that Topps has significantly cut down on bots. This means the last couple online exclusive releases have lasted MUCH longer on the website than they used to. The 14,000 or so Finest Flashbacks boxes sat for days even though there was high demand. So the fact that these 44,000 or so boxes are not sold out doesn't mean what you think (and clearly hope) it means.

If what you're saying about bots were true for FF (a product I like so not dumping on it) then D&A would sell it for more than $280. The simplest explanation is the correct one here... bots just didn't want it.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Almost as desperate as you are for this to sit on the site forever and not be sold. You are such a hypocrite.

What you fail to understand is that Topps has significantly cut down on bots. This means the last couple online exclusive releases have lasted MUCH longer on the website than they used to. The 14,000 or so Finest Flashbacks boxes sat for days even though there was high demand. So the fact that these 44,000 or so boxes are not sold out doesn't mean what you think (and clearly hope) it means.

Bots may be manipulative, but they certainly represent demand for a product. And even if Topps rid the site of all bots, they could create as many unique Topps accounts as they want in order to purchase product. Is that incorrect?

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

If what you're saying about bots were true for FF (a product I like so not dumping on it) then D&A would sell it for more than $280. The simplest explanation is the correct one here... bots just didn't want it.

This is a good surmise of it. Just because the bots didnt want it doesnt make it a loser. Its going to be a good standard rip in my opinion. You wont make millions flipping sealed, you wont lose millions opening it. It will be circa 2014-2015-2016 products. Reasonable value at the cost....to RIP.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

If what you're saying about bots were true for FF (a product I like so not dumping on it) then D&A would sell it for more than $280. The simplest explanation is the correct one here... bots just didn't want it.

Generally I agree. We see this often with new product though. Botbois have no real indication that this is a winning product and they're willing to forego the uncertainty for one of their million other opportunities. Anyone who thinks this isn't the best SKU of 22TC so far is lying to themselves though. Might not happen overnight, but this is the best opportunity I've seen in an actually available public release in a while.

[craines27mc]

Love that his card is that SSP.

Everyone is welcome to their opinion. I bought 20 boxes and will bet on Julio or one of the other RC’s to make it worth it.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Shankweather

They're listed under image variations, but they're not really variations are they? They're the only 111-115 in the set.

That’s right - no image variations - just one version of Short Prints

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

Might not happen overnight, but this is the best opportunity I've seen in an actually available public release in a while.

100% ^
Wish I could buy more

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Bots may be manipulative, but they certainly represent demand for a product. And even if Topps rid the site of all bots, they could create as many unique Topps accounts as they want in order to purchase product. Is that incorrect?

You are ignoring the time factor. Bots could scoop up all the product in a matter of minutes. It takes more time (and effort) to create accounts to purchase it. We aren't talking about an insignificant amount of time either. It's a time and effort that will not only discourage some from purchasing large quantities, but will take enough time to make a product sit for a day or longer before selling out like it used to. So I don't think it's representative of demand.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You are ignoring the time factor. Bots could scoop up all the product in a matter of minutes. It takes more time (and effort) to create accounts to purchase it. We aren't talking about an insignificant amount of time either. It's a time and effort that will not only discourage some from purchasing large quantities, but will take enough time to make a product sit for a day or longer before selling out like it used to. So I don't think it's representative of demand.

I just created a new account in under 30 seconds. How long does it take to order the product?

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

Anyone who thinks this isn't the best SKU of 22TC so far is lying to themselves though. Might not happen overnight, but this is the best opportunity I've seen in an actually available public release in a while.

At least one more edition coming so it's still anyone's guess at this point which product is the clear winner (or less crappy than the other SKUs).

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

At least one more edition coming so it's still anyone's guess at this point which product is the clear winner (or less crappy than the other SKUs).

Just fun to mention that a standard blaster is $35 now. So these for $50 again...are fairly safe to open (and I agree they are printed to the moon).

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You are ignoring the time factor. Bots could scoop up all the product in a matter of minutes. It takes more time (and effort) to create accounts to purchase it. We aren't talking about an insignificant amount of time either. It's a time and effort that will not only discourage some from purchasing large quantities, but will take enough time to make a product sit for a day or longer before selling out like it used to. So I don't think it's representative of demand.

I think you should stick to lawyering. Your assumptions about bots all seem to be gleaned from this forum.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I just created a new account in under 30 seconds. How long does it take to order the product?

Now go ahead and create a few dozen more accounts. Not only will it take 12 times as long, but you likely won't bother to do it because of the hassle. Now apply that to everyone who would set up a bot. Their efforts have now had to increase exponentially and it won't be worth it for many of them. And for the ones who do still want to hoard the product in spite of the increased challenge, now take 30 seconds per account and 20 boxes (of course the total transaction is longer than that), instead of literally milliseconds like it was before. We're talking about extending the time to sell out by multiples of thousands. Processing enough orders to sell 42,000 boxes, 10 or 20 at a time, takes MUCH longer than a day, even if people are taking the time to create a bunch of accounts.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

I think you should stick to lawyering. Your assumptions about bots all seem to be gleaned from this forum.

Whose assumptions? LOL

My information about the bots is based on the changes I've personally seen on the Topps website designed to limit bots, and the public statements Topps has made about blocking the bots and the Topps employee who said the same thing when I called.

So you are the one making incorrect assumptions.

How about you tell me why I'm wrong about the bots? I'll wait.

[Neo]

Auto checklist is actually pretty good. Some nice ones out there.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Now go ahead and create a few dozen more accounts. Not only will it take 12 times as long, but you likely won't bother to do it because of the hassle. Now apply that to everyone who would set up a bot. Their efforts have now had to increase exponentially and it won't be worth it for many of them. And for the ones who do still want to hoard the product in spite of the increased challenge, now take 30 seconds per account and 20 boxes (of course the total transaction is longer than that), instead of literally milliseconds like it was before. We're talking about extending the time to sell out by multiples of thousands. Processing enough orders to sell 42,000 boxes, 10 or 20 at a time, takes MUCH longer than a day, even if people are taking the time to create a bunch of accounts.

But can't I just call up the MLB store and order as many as I want?

Even if not, surely there are enough people out there to take advantage of this no brainer money making opportunity in a rotten equities market when it only takes a few minutes of your time.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Now go ahead and create a few dozen more accounts. Not only will it take 12 times as long, but you likely won't bother to do it because of the hassle. Now apply that to everyone who would set up a bot. Their efforts have now had to increase exponentially and it won't be worth it for many of them. And for the ones who do still want to hoard the product in spite of the increased challenge, now take 30 seconds per account and 20 boxes (of course the total transaction is longer than that), instead of literally milliseconds like it was before. We're talking about extending the time to sell out by multiples of thousands. Processing enough orders to sell 42,000 boxes, 10 or 20 at a time, takes MUCH longer than a day, even if people are taking the time to create a bunch of accounts.

Here's a major incorrect assumption on your part... bot users already have their accounts established long ago. They have been using them since at least the Topps raffles.