2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Down to 56k in AZ

And what came in was non Maricopa vote. Not to shabby for Trump. He may pull AZ out.

[Swipe79]

Trump is up by only 2,500 votes in Georgia now.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by pskell02

Not to defend, but there are a lot of us R or former R's (Libertarian over here) who hate what the current Republican party has become under Trump/McConnell. They have destroyed the party that I used to love. Now I haven't voted R in presidential race since Romney, despite leaning conservative.

Yes!

100%

We may have differing views (I am not libertarian), but the sentiment behind this post is spot on.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

The first 2 years of Trump, Republicans had full control.



Was that not good either?

Trump is not conservative. So, no. Republicans imo did not have full control. Trump is some sort of oddball that doesn't really fit conservative or even maybe republican.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Totally understand. Just own it and move on. I'm not saying being liberal or Democrat is wrong or bad. Everyone has a right to their beliefs and opinions. But when every stance you take is aligning with the left you are no longer a Republican. Just own it. That's all I'm saying.

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I own it. I'm absolutely not republican by today's definition. I am conservative.

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[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

And what came in was non Maricopa vote. Not to shabby for Trump. He may pull AZ out.

What percentage did he get in that drop?

[lisu]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Yes!

100%

We may have differing views (I am not libertarian), but the sentiment behind this post is spot on.

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The problem that I see with the R party - and I'm a defined moderate Democrat is that they are not as fiscally conservative as they should be. I hate seeing wasteful spending, and both parties are responsible for it.

For example, Trump giving tax cuts to people making over a million and corps doesn't help the country when he doesn't cut the budget appropriately.

[lisu]

Originally Posted by Swipe79

Honestly the R or D label doesn't really apply - most Americans live close enough to the middle that we should all just call ourselves moderates.

Most people use the R/D to make themselves feel better about not knowing who they vote for - much easier to vote a party line than spend the time learning the candidates and making an informed decision. From my experience, it's always fun to ask people why they voted for specific candidates.

I think we should get rid of the parties in whole - especially in positions where political affiliation has no bearing on your ability to do a job (sheriff, conservation districts, trustee positions, school boards, etc.).

Totally agree with this. I hate that the D party has to be so extreme left and the R party to be so extreme right that every political candidate that comes out panders to those crowds - for example, I loved John McCain until he ran for President and started pandering to the religious right.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

Tell me what your hero is saying here. His brain is mush!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPT4hsIpPy4

Not my hero.....next....

Im anti-Trump...not anti-republican.

And BTW—-lame duck youtube drama. Wonder what its about....Fox? Oh so its juicy!!!

[lisu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

GA Secretary of state says that there are 14,223 votes left to be counted; Trump w/ a 3,486 vote lead.

This one is for sure going to get recounted. eek.

[thenwhatjk]

Guys guys guys, huge update

The most batpoop insane evangelical I know posted this, ALL IS WELL!

[Astros19]

Lots of posturing going on here today. If the Senate does end up tied you might be careful what you wish for.
I don't see Biden or the Democrats in office as some sort of messiah. The next 4 years aren't going to be a picnic and if there's blame to be laid you just might want to have another option to get blamed, if there is one.
Kudos to the Dems for playing it safe and keeping Biden hidden. Strange strategy, but it worked.

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[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Guys guys guys, huge update

The most batpoop insane evangelical I know posted this, ALL IS WELL!

Wow. Gold medal in the mental gymnastics right there.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by lisu

The problem that I see with the R party - and I'm a defined moderate Democrat is that they are not as fiscally conservative as they should be. I hate seeing wasteful spending, and both parties are responsible for it.



For example, Trump giving tax cuts to people making over a million and corps doesn't help the country when he doesn't cut the budget appropriately.

Absolutely.

It's been a while since we have seen a true fiscal conservative. I truly believe that may end up being a huge reason history mocks us.

I'm okay with deficit spending, but it needs to be around 2-3% to be sustainable. Both parties recently have been ~30 times higher than that.

I hate higher taxes, like everyone else. But if we spend crazy, we must tax crazy. That's the only way we sustain long-term (excepting the acceptable 2 or 3 percent inflationary rise plus another 2 or 3 percent deficit rise). What politicians of both parties have been doing is simply unsustainable. This is how empires fall.

Tax appropriately, spend appropriately. It's not that hard. Fiscal conservatism.

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[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Wow. Gold medal in the mental gymnastics right there.

That is Q, right there.

Scary $hit

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Lots of posturing going on here today. If the Senate does end up tied you might be careful what you wish for.
I don't see Biden or the Democrats in office as some sort of messiah. The next 4 years aren't going to be a picnic and if there's blame to be laid you just might want to have another option to get blamed, if there is one.
Kudos to the Dems for playing it safe and keeping Biden hidden. Strange strategy, but it worked.

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Lol. Yes.

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[zonacats8]

With the Bobblehead Hall of Fame making so many political based bobbleheads this year, I really hope they end up making a John King standing in front of a map, I'd buy that for sure.

No matter who you support, you can't deny that he's the GOAT of working the map, nobody else is even close to him.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

What percentage did he get in that drop?

Varied by county. He was ahead in Pima by 6 (a county which he was down 22) so the vote coming in now clearly favors him.

The only county vote he lost on this vote was Apache, by 1,000 votes. Overall it was a 12,000 net vote gain and there's still 300,000+ votes to count.

GA and AZ are the same story, just opposite players.

[Onepocketj]

PA down to 53k

[Callmethevreez]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Lots of posturing going on here today. If the Senate does end up tied you might be careful what you wish for.
I don't see Biden or the Democrats in office as some sort of messiah. The next 4 years aren't going to be a picnic and if there's blame to be laid you just might want to have another option to get blamed, if there is one.
Kudos to the Dems for playing it safe and keeping Biden hidden. Strange strategy, but it worked.

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An all Blue situation could potentially make it where a Republican never wins another National Election right? Or I am overblowing things?

[NeedChapmans]

The voting cures in GA can be accepted until 5pm ET tomorrow, and the SOS has indicated there are over 16,000 ballots that are in need of one still. Both teams are down there trying to get in touch with as many voters as they can.

If one side turns out more fixes than the other, might make the difference.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Varied by county. He was ahead in Pima by 6 (a county which he was down 22) so the vote coming in now clearly favors him.

The only county vote he lost on this vote was Apache, by 1,000 votes. Overall it was a 12,000 net vote gain and there's still 300,000+ votes to count.

GA and AZ are the same story, just opposite players.

None of it might matter as PA keeps coming in big for Biden.

He's been taking big numbers in all the dumps lately, just now took 73% from a blue county, but even taking like 65% in red counties, and he only needs like 62% the rest of the way to take it.

[yanksfan1]

NeedChapmans, can you say whether or not the AZ senate race is in play or is Kelly safe?

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The voting cures in GA can be accepted until 5pm ET tomorrow, and the SOS has indicated there are over 16,000 ballots that are in need of one still. Both teams are down there trying to get in touch with as many voters as they can.

If one side turns out more fixes than the other, might make the difference.

They can also still accept overseas and military mail in ballots that arrive tomorrow too.

With how close this vote is going to be, those legit could swing it one way or the other.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

NeedChapmans, can you say whether or not the AZ senate race is in play or is Kelly safe?

Kelly should have that, still up about 110K