2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

The Republican party has no choice if he decides to run, they couldn't do anything to stop him from running away with the nomination.

Think about it.... if he ran, he'd immediately keep his entire loyal base, that alone is likely enough to out-vote the standard Republicans who vote for him but not part of that deeply loyal base.

Then how could you run in a primary against him? it didn't work the first time when they attacked him as a person or his policies, and that was before he spent the last 4 years gaining more power with what he says. So someone like Cruz couldn't go back to bashing him in a primary, Trump would squish him like a bug. But they'd never attack him because they'd know he'd win the primary and they couldn't risk upsetting him or his base as they're needed for their own elections still.

If he ran, he'd win the primary without having to do debates or campaign.

And I think if he has his own media channel, it would only help him come election time as you know how slanted that channel would be on every topic and would have a large viewer base with all his followers.

I've been a Trump supporter this entire thread. Would you consider me part of his loyal base?
I can tell you with the utmost confidence that I would not vote for Trump if he chose to run in 2024.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

And not making a fool of yourself or trying to dismantle an electoral process that has been in place for hundreds of years because you're a sore loser.

The left has been wanting to do exactly this for the last 4+ years. You know that right?
Because THEY were also sore losers.
Just pointing that out.

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[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by Astros19

The left has been wanting to do exactly this for the last 4+ years. You know that right?
Because THEY were also sore losers.
Just pointing that out.

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There's a big difference between wanting to fix a system that awarded the loser of the popular vote the presidency twice in 16 years and baselessly crying "voter fraud!" because you lost in a contest you already tried to rig by screwing with the Post Office.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

The left has been wanting to do exactly this for the last 4+ years. You know that right?
Because THEY were also sore losers.
Just pointing that out.

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Does that somehow make it okay?

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Does that somehow make it okay?

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Did I say that?
Just pointing out hypocrisy.

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[Astros19]

Regarding the popular vote/Electoral College.
Think about this—approximately half of the population of the country lives in just 9 states:

California
Texas
Illinois
Ohio
Michigan
Florida
Georgia
Pennsylvania
New York

Or how about this—there are 38 STATES that have smaller populations than New York CITY (just the city, not the entire state):

Washington
Oregon
Idaho
Nevada
Arizona
Utah
Montana
Wyoming
Colorado
New Mexico
North Dakota
South Dakota
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Minnesota
Iowa
Missouri
Arkansas
Louisiana
Mississippi
Alabama
Tennessee
Kentucky
Indiana
Wisconsin
West Virginia
South Carolina
Maryland
Delaware
Connecticut
Massachusetts
Vermont
New Hampshire
Rhode Island
Maine
Alaska
Hawaii

The popular vote is meaningless.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Did I say that?
Just pointing out hypocrisy.

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Oh. Okay.

I'm just happy we will be rid of our clown prez in a couple of months. Now if we can just get rid of more of them, woooo

We would do well to vote them all out. New rule: act like a jerkwad, lose your job.

G-bye Nancy. See ya Mitch.

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[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by Astros19

The popular vote is meaningless.

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I'm not arguing that it is or isn't.

I'm just stating that what the Dems have been complaining about regarding the election is exponentially different than what some of the Republicans are doing right now.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

We would do well to vote them all out. New rule: act like a jerkwad, lose your job.

G-bye Nancy. See ya Mitch.

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I'd settle for Gym Jordan.

How anyone voted for that sexual-abuse-covering-up jackass, I'll never understand.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I like how there are reports that Trump is angry that the legal responses haven't been working and that they didn't seem properly prepared for the fights.

Uh...... how do you "prepare" to file lawsuits for instances of fraud that you expect to happen?

Don't you have to catch the fraud in the act and have evidence for it?

How do you prepare for that? You just have to find it and then boom, that's your evidence and use it when you file. The only way to "prepare" for that would be to be making fake evidence and having ready to go.

They should’ve been prepared. He started the same schtick before the 2016 election but he won so he didn’t have to say it was fixed. They had 4 years to prep it.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

The popular vote is meaningless.

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I'm not arguing that it is or isn't.



I'm just stating that what the Dems have been complaining about regarding the election is exponentially different than what some of the Republicans are doing right now.

Yes and no.

They may be arguing different points, but to the same end. I'd call it a distinction without a meaningful difference.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I'm not arguing that it is or isn't.



I'm just stating that what the Dems have been complaining about regarding the election is exponentially different than what some of the Republicans are doing right now.

Well I wasn't just responding to you, or any particular poster for that matter, but the popular vote has been mentioned several times in this thread.
Since we're on a sportscard message board I'll use this as an analogy.
Over the years there have been several instances where the team that had the most victories in the regular season did not go on to become World Series champions.
I'm sure those teams were proud of that fact, but yet pretty damn depressed that they didn't get a ring.
Regular season bragging rights are all they have.
That and a dollar and they still can't buy a cup of coffee.
I was pretty amazed at the NYC population statistic to be honest. I'd have to imagine I'm not the only person who was.

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[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by Astros19

The popular vote is meaningless.

So absolutely wrong. We are the only country where more people can vote for a leader and that leader doesn’t take office. Why does the land the people are on matter? The electoral college is extremely out dated and it actually over values the votes from smaller states and undervalues votes from larger states. People vote, not land.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I've been a Trump supporter this entire thread. Would you consider me part of his loyal base?
I can tell you with the utmost confidence that I would not vote for Trump if he chose to run in 2024.

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I truly hope they bring a moderate to the table. Someone posted a chart (idk if here or somewhere else) with rankings on right to left. Give me someone in the middle.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I'd settle for Gym Jordan.



How anyone voted for that sexual-abuse-covering-up jackass, I'll never understand.

There are just so many of them on both sides.

It boggles the mind. How do these people get to the national political scene? Is it that difficult to find a person that isn't a total whackjob or a morally bankrupt sleezebucket? It seems these days that the parties are putting up so many of these types that most times we have to choose the lesser of two evils. It's hard to find a race anywhere that isn't a whackjob vs a sleezebucket.

This country has lost its way. Thank goodness we have a Constitution to guide us, because the clowns we get to choose between these days are truly unbelievable.

Thanks for draining the swamp there, Mr Prez. Excellent freaking job. Doh!

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[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Yes and no.

They may be arguing different points, but to the same end. I'd call it a distinction without a meaningful difference.

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I disagree.

What some of the Republicans are doing is more damaging to the fabric of our democracy because they are stating (without evidence) that there is wholesale fraud within the voting system and that none of it is to be trusted.

I think what the Democrats were doing regarding the Electoral College was stating that the system worked as designed, but perhaps that design is overdue for a change.

Changing the system vs. fraud.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

So absolutely wrong. We are the only country where more people can vote for a leader and that leader doesn’t take office. Why does the land the people are on matter? The electoral college is extremely out dated and it actually over values the votes from smaller states and undervalues votes from larger states. People vote, not land.

The Federalist in me disagrees.

While it sucks when the popular vote does not mirror the electoral vote, I think it would also suck if a majority of states were controlled by a handful. Montana doesn't want to be ruled by California.

The EC balances that. It's not perfect, but no compromise ever is.


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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I disagree.

What some of the Republicans are doing is more damaging to the fabric of our democracy because they are stating (without evidence) that there is wholesale fraud within the voting system and that none of it is to be trusted.

I think what the Democrats were doing regarding the Electoral College was stating that the system worked as designed, but perhaps that design is overdue for a change.

Changing the system vs. fraud.

LOL, for four years, the boogeyman was said to have elected Donald Trump because he was owned by Russia and was a Russian agent.

Your fear falls on deaf ears. Voter suppression is to the left what voter fraud is to the right. Trump in Ukraine is to the left what Biden in Ukraine is to the right. Are there reasons to be concerned about these things / absolutely. Are there reasons to think it's a wide scale, cross state operation that actually changed the results in any way; NO.

Let people whine. Until there are charges; it's just noise.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I'd settle for Gym Jordan.

How anyone voted for that sexual-abuse-covering-up jackass, I'll never understand.

For such a close and shut case of cover up. Ohio must be very corrupt or immoral or something because he won pretty easily

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I disagree.



What some of the Republicans are doing is more damaging to the fabric of our democracy because they are stating (without evidence) that there is wholesale fraud within the voting system and that none of it is to be trusted.



I think what the Democrats were doing regarding the Electoral College was stating that the system worked as designed, but perhaps that design is overdue for a change.



Changing the system vs. fraud.

It seems I misunderstood your point. I thought you were referring to something else. My bad.

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[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

It seems I misunderstood your point. I thought you were referring to something else. My bad.

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No problem.

I very rarely make a salient point.

[Astros19]

The thing about the last 60,000+ posts (that figure is is pretty amazing by the way) that stick in my mind the most, and truly surprised me is how many times arguments were made where if the names were interchanged could have been a mirror image of 4 years ago.
I witnessed debates here that you could have switched up Hillary for Donald, and Donald for Joe and the debates would have been the same.

Me? I wasn't a big fan of Trump going all the way back to the primaries. I hadn't chosen one candidate in particular but have always thought Trump to be a pompous ass. Way before his stint on The Apprentice.
Well it ended up him winning the primary and going up against Hillary and there was never a chance I was going to vote for her.
I not so elegantly described that election as picking the prettiest turd in the toilet.
Well we all know how that election turned out. Then as Trump began his term I witnessed how he was treated by the press. To be truthful I witnessed this before then. We've all seen videos with media talking heads laughing at the prospect of a Trump election victory. The more the media went out of their way to discredit him, the more I got behind him. Hell, I don't even believe Trump took his candidacy serious until he saw the numbers rolling in.

The things I did like about Trump, he was a fighter in which Republicans hadn't seen for decades. He fought back against a biased media like no other Republican had ever done before. I believe that will have a lasting effect. He put America first by making other countries pay their fair share, be it the UN or trade agreements.
Things I very much disliked about Trump, his tweeting, his pettiness and his thin skin. There's other things as well but I won't waste time trying to recollect them.
As I've stated before, congrats to the Democrats for running a bizarre but effective campaign by keeping Joe hidden during the final months if the election. The "let Trump win this campaign for us" tactic worked beautifully.
I would love nothing more than a successful term for Biden as I'm an American and we should all want success for our country.
My biggest concern of all is him not finishing his term and having Kamala inserted in his place. That scares the hell out of me.
Lastly, I realize there's a huge difference between those of us here and the president of the United States, but I do think some should look at themselves and realize your gloating is quite Trump like.
Granted, it's a sportscard message board and it is expected, but I personally have never been much of a trash talker when my team wins.
Hope everyone has a great day. 70's here in Iowa in November is pretty unusual, but I'll take it!

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

So absolutely wrong. We are the only country where more people can vote for a leader and that leader doesn’t take office. Why does the land the people are on matter? The electoral college is extremely out dated and it actually over values the votes from smaller states and undervalues votes from larger states. People vote, not land.

So we should elect a president based on a few big cities? That sounds terrible, those cities are ran terribly so let's run the whole country that way!

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

For such a close and shut case of cover up. Ohio must be very corrupt or immoral or something because he won pretty easily

Well given the situation, that's hard to argue against.

I'd go with the "or something" part, personally. It's hard to rule out the other two though.

Times were very different back when Jordan was at OSU. It's not hard at all to imagine that back then something like this with little actual evidence would've been swept under the rug. It was almost standard practice back then, especially if the victims were men.

That does not make any of it okay though. Times have changed and we don't accept that crap anymore. Any faculty member that knew about any of this and swept it under the rug needs to be held to account, not elected to Congress.

There is something seriously wrong with how this went down. Shame on Ohio voters.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

So absolutely wrong. We are the only country where more people can vote for a leader and that leader doesn’t take office. Why does the land the people are on matter? The electoral college is extremely out dated and it actually over values the votes from smaller states and undervalues votes from larger states. People vote, not land.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Interesting that if I'm not mistaken, you are from New York City correct?
There are tons of sites and videos that explain the purpose and intent of the EC.
If you haven't done any reading on the subject I really think you should.

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