2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

I am there as well, I just think they doesn;t need to be the amount of them out there. Want one for personal protection? Fine with me. Want one to go hunt with? Fine with me. No ordinary citizen should ever have the need to own a machine gun, AR-whatever. Its like we are just going to be one-upping ourselves until we all have some sort of personal nuclear device.

This is all well and good but you seem to be terribly misinformed on this topic. An AR-15 or AR-14 as Joe calls them isn’t even fully automatic yet you basically liken it to a machine gun lol.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

I am there as well, I just think they doesn;t need to be the amount of them out there. Want one for personal protection? Fine with me. Want one to go hunt with? Fine with me. No ordinary citizen should ever have the need to own a machine gun, AR-whatever. Its like we are just going to be one-upping ourselves until we all have some sort of personal nuclear device.

As someone who hates guns, it can be partially because of my ignorance of them. I usually can’t debate them as I don’t know the differences between them. I know ARs are more dangerous in that sense but the counter is that over 80% of gun deaths are from hand guns.

Personally I don’t know but I’m definitely not for limiting the amount you can own but I could understand the argument for regulating. I am not smart enough to know which ones should be “illegal” but the sheer number isn’t the problem imo.

[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

This is all well and good but you seem to be terribly misinformed on this topic. An AR-15 or AR-14 as Joe calls them isn’t even fully automatic yet you basically liken it to a machine gun lol.

For what purpose would an ordinary person need that type of weapon, automatic, semi-automatic or not?

[packman80]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

If you hate our politicians and government so much, find a new place to live. They are public servants, becoming a career politican is tough. Think about how many professional athletes we have. It's a much tougher road to go that way, with lots of personal sacrifice. That they accumulate wealth is okay with me as long as it's done above board. I'd much rather having someone getting $30 million to serve our interests than to watch someone make $30 million to score a bucket/goal.

LOL I am done with you with the you don't like our politicians and govt you can find a new place to live comment. Did you do that for the last 4 years since it's clear you hate Trump. Or is it the far left thing were only their views matter everyone else is wrong and a bad person if their views are different? Also the career politicans serving our interests? LOL that's the funniest thing I heard all day they have NEVER served our interests it's what's in the best interest to keep them in office and their party.

[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by mike1498

As someone who hates guns, it can be partially because of my ignorance of them. I usually can’t debate them as I don’t know the differences between them. I know ARs are more dangerous in that sense but the counter is that over 80% of gun deaths are from hand guns.

Personally I don’t know but I’m definitely not for limiting the amount you can own but I could understand the argument for regulating. I am not smart enough to know which ones should be “illegal” but the sheer number isn’t the problem imo.

We have enough guns for every person in this country, probably enough for the ones yet to be born as well. Fixing this issue here is so complex, it'll never ever get done, it'll only get worse.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Can you send me a link to one?

I and others have provided plenty already.

Google it.

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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

We have enough guns for every person in this country, probably enough for the ones yet to be born as well. Fixing this issue here is so complex, it'll never ever get done, it'll only get worse.

But what's the problem with the actual amount of guns? My grandfather collects them. If he was to become a mass murderer tomorrow, he only needs one to do that. I don't think the number is the problem.

Now if you want to talk about what guns should be regulated, that's a different argument. And for that I would not have enough knowledge on to debate it. Hence why I just let the 2nd amendment be the 2nd amendment. I'll admit it's maybe more because of my ignorance but I haven't heard a better argument otherwise.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

For what purpose would an ordinary person need that type of weapon, automatic, semi-automatic or not?

Some people collect guns, some shoot them at the gun range, etc. You may just want to bow out gracefully here if you’re not even informed enough to know a AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle.

[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by packman80

LOL I am done with you with the you don't like our politicians and govt you can find a new place to live comment. Did you do that for the last 4 years since it's clear you hate Trump. Or is it the far left thing were only their views matter everyone else is wrong and a bad person if their views are different?

Aww, someone's going to melt n the heat again. Did you hear me really complaining about the Don? Did you see me out in the streets with burning yellow-haired effigies? No. If you think I am far-left, you are wrong. I am simply someone who has compassion and empathy and a love for my country.
And yes, actually, I had plans to leave the country if the insanity was to continue for 4 more years. Fortunately for me my partner has dual citizenship so it would be fairly easy to set up camp in a nice place with a caring and loving citizenry. Glad you're done with me with me though.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by mike1498

But what's the problem with the actual amount of guns? My grandfather collects them. If he was to become a mass murderer tomorrow, he only needs one to do that.

Now if you want to talk about what guns should be regulated, that's a different argument. And for that I would not have enough knowledge on to debate it. Hence why I just let the 2nd amendment be the 2nd amendment. I'll admit it's maybe more because of my ignorance but I haven't heard a better argument otherwise.

Thing is the Dem's want to make all these laws when a shooting happens. Thing is if some criminal wants to get a gun to commit a criminal act they are likely going to be able to get one. Look at Chicago a anti-gun city but yet look at all the gun crimes there. Responsible gun owners are the ones most hurt by gun laws as the criminal won't act like a gun law will stop them.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

Whoa!
Really?

Yes? Guns do not kill people. People do.

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

So you just rail against masks because you have yet to see an article stating they are effective? All because they make your face hot?

It isn't easy to breathe in them, especially if you have a cloth one, depending on the heat and such.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

Aww, someone's going to melt n the heat again. Did you hear me really complaining about the Don? Did you see me out in the streets with burning yellow-haired effigies? No. If you think I am far-left, you are wrong. I am simply someone who has compassion and empathy and a love for my country.
And yes, actually, I had plans to leave the country if the insanity was to continue for 4 more years. Fortunately for me my partner has dual citizenship so it would be fairly easy to set up camp in a nice place with a caring and loving citizenry. Glad you're done with me with me though.

Seems you are the one melting but enjoy I guess you enjoy being the typical intolerant lib you must be so proud thinking you are better then everyone else.

[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by mike1498

But what's the problem with the actual amount of guns? My grandfather collects them. If he was to become a mass murderer tomorrow, he only needs one to do that. I don't think the number is the problem.

Now if you want to talk about what guns should be regulated, that's a different argument. And for that I would not have enough knowledge on to debate it. Hence why I just let the 2nd amendment be the 2nd amendment. I'll admit it's maybe more because of my ignorance but I haven't heard a better argument otherwise.

I have no solution to our problem, I just think commonsensically it would be easier to lessen our problem if there were less guns to keep track of. Bear arms, we have 2, you can have 2 guns, if you want them.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by packman80

Thing is the Dem's want to make all these laws when a shooting happens. Thing is if some criminal wants to get a gun to commit a criminal act they are likely going to be able to get one. Look at Chicago a anti-gun city but yet look at all the gun crimes there. Responsible gun owners are the ones most hurt by gun laws as the criminal won't act like a gun law will stop them.

That's my view. As someone who doesn't and probably won't own a gun, my chances of being protected are by law abiding gun holders. I know the criminals will get them. That's common sense.

[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by packman80

Seems you are the one melting but enjoy I guess you enjoy being the typical intolerant lib you must be so proud thinking you are better then everyone else.

Not pride, but certainly happier knowing that I am a caring person and respectful member of society.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

I have no solution to our problem, I just think commonsensically it would be easier to lessen our problem if there were less guns to keep track of. Bear arms, we have 2, you can have 2 guns, if you want them.

What does the number of guns have to do with the amount of deaths? Are you saying if I own 5 I'm more likely to kill someone than if I own 2? Can I shoot 5 guns at a time? This is silly.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

Not pride, but certainly happier knowing that I am a caring person and respectful member of society.

So you are saying because I don't follow your view political view points I must not be a caring person or respectful member of society? Ok yep gotcha

[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

It's funny to me when people from other countries presume to judge others based on their opinion and what they hear from the media. The American media portrays Donald Trump as a racist, bigot, criminal so therefore it must be true.

Trump's biggest flaw is his ego. Was he a philandering immoral man years ago? Sure, but who am I to judge someone's character years ago? Is he today? Not so sure and quite honestly I don't care, I care about his policies. People in this country gave Kobe a pass, Tiger, Bill Clinton, Jay Z for all cheating yet Trump is the immoral one? sure...wtfever. Hypocrites the lot of them.

Donald Trump is no racist or bigot imo but sadly in our country that is the media's playbook. The politician you like is a racist and a bigot and if you vote for him/her you are a racist and bigot. They don't realize they are the bigots as they hate anyone who disagrees with their agenda and this is why Trump is so hated but he is a populist and fights for the blue collar worker and that is why he is so loved by 50% of the country.

You also have to remember if COVID never happened this election would not have been as close I'd bet and Trump would have most likely got the popular vote as well as the win. COVID beat Trump, Biden just got lucky his buddies in China released a virus on the world.

I could just as easily ask you why so many in your country voted for that absolute lefty nutter Justin Trudeau who actually believes we shouldn't use gender pronouns and got a pass from the left for wearing black face.

Saying Covid kept Trump from reelection is the same as a drunk saying they wouldn't have crashed if the other car wasn't there.

The virus isn't to blame, being unprepared and incapable of leading through a crisis is why Trump lost.

[petesahuttt]

Originally Posted by packman80

So you are saying because I don't follow your view political view points I must not be a caring person or respectful member of society? Ok yep gotcha

So you're not done not done with me with me yet? But yeah, you do seem to be a caring person.

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by petesahuttt

Not pride, but certainly happier knowing that I am a caring person and respectful member of society.

So your idea of a caring person and respectful member of society is when someone disagrees with you, you insult them and wave the virtue signaling flag?

I have seen this caring and respectful behavior many times from the left. Not impressed by the double standard.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Saying Covid kept Trump from reelection is the same as a drunk saying they wouldn't have crashed if the other car wasn't there.

The virus isn't to blame, being unprepared and incapable of leading through a crisis is why Trump lost.

It's not even that. Trump would've just said something stupid in between that time period as well. Biden didn't even need COVID, he just needed to be running against Trump.

Biden did absolutely nothing and won.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

So you don’t actually live in the United States permanently? That’s good, at least you had the stones to move out of a country that embarrasses you.

The whole "love it or leave it" thing is just silly.

How about "love it or fix it"? How about "love it or kick the dillholes out and then love it"?

Peddle that single-minded, binary, unoriginal nonsense if you like, but does it ever solve anything other than making you feel righteous?

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[mattglet]

Originally Posted by packman80

Thing is the Dem's want to make all these laws when a shooting happens. Thing is if some criminal wants to get a gun to commit a criminal act they are likely going to be able to get one. Look at Chicago a anti-gun city but yet look at all the gun crimes there. Responsible gun owners are the ones most hurt by gun laws as the criminal won't act like a gun law will stop them.

Ah, the Chicago argument. I was wondering when it was going to come up. Do some research about Indiana please.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

So your idea of a caring person and respectful member of society is when someone disagrees with you, you insult them and wave the virtue signaling flag?

I have seen this caring and respectful behavior many times from the left. Not impressed by the double standard.

And I've seen the racist, homophobic, xenophobic behavior many times from the right.

Instead of attacking a whole group of people just because it's easy (although largely incorrect), stick to the person. This is how you help remove the us-vs-all-of-them tribal nonsense. That, and stay off of social media.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by packman80

Thing is the Dem's want to make all these laws when a shooting happens. Thing is if some criminal wants to get a gun to commit a criminal act they are likely going to be able to get one. Look at Chicago a anti-gun city but yet look at all the gun crimes there. Responsible gun owners are the ones most hurt by gun laws as the criminal won't act like a gun law will stop them.

Shift this argument to the Muslim ban and it still works.

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