2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by irv

Care to actually analyze and debunk the film based on facts, or are you just going to do the typical lib thing by calling me a crackpot and calling it lies and declaring anyone who believes it <INSERT BASELESS MEANINGLESS DEM LABEL HERE (racist, Nazi, transphobe, xenophobe, white supremacist, etc)>?

Seriously, the cognitive dissonance on the left is just mind boggling. They have you programmed better than the communists could have ever dreamt.

They are incapable of accepting authentic information due to media abuse from their chosen information sources

[oldgoldy97]

Debunk raving lunatics. Throw any sort of baseless accusations out there and it becomes the burden of the rational to refute? Sounds about right.

[oldgoldy97]

Just watched a couple Trump supporters on the news.

“I don’t believe in masks”
“We need to pray”

I didn’t really think about this, but maybe guardian angels can fly around our heads and blow microbial carrying droplets away. Problem solved.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by irv

Care to actually analyze and debunk the film based on facts, or are you just going to do the typical lib thing by calling me a crackpot and calling it lies and declaring anyone who believes it <INSERT BASELESS MEANINGLESS DEM LABEL HERE (racist, Nazi, transphobe, xenophobe, white supremacist, etc)>?

Seriously, the cognitive dissonance on the left is just mind boggling. They have you programmed better than the communists could have ever dreamt.

Tell you what Irv, I will watch this, but j will say that i do own the book already.

The giant leap of faith is the near sainthood status applied to Devin Nunes, so I assume that the documentary version will be no different.

But again, I will watch this.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Debunk raving lunatics. Throw any sort of baseless accusations out there and it becomes the burden of the rational to refute? Sounds about right.

"Inadmissible hearsay within hearsay" - Judge Cynthia Stevens in response to lawyers for Donald Trump. She actually said "C'mon".

The burden is no longer on detractors of der fuhrer. The burden has shifted.

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[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Timmay

They are incapable of accepting authentic information due to media abuse from their chosen information sources

Irony. If you think mainstream media is bad, and it is, I have some bad news about these off the wall sources.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Debunk raving lunatics. Throw any sort of baseless accusations out there and it becomes the burden of the rational to refute? Sounds about right.

Perfectly said.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by irv

Care to actually analyze and debunk the film based on facts, or are you just going to do the typical lib thing by calling me a crackpot and calling it lies and declaring anyone who believes it <INSERT BASELESS MEANINGLESS DEM LABEL HERE (racist, Nazi, transphobe, xenophobe, white supremacist, etc)>?

Seriously, the cognitive dissonance on the left is just mind boggling. They have you programmed better than the communists could have ever dreamt.

Here's the thing, movies like this or Pandemic place the burden of proof on the denier, not the person putting the doc out. Why should I have to prove it's wrong, it's job is to prove that it's right. "Documentaries" like this or Pandemic or even Loose Change just take a lot of ideas, shoot them against a wall, and then tell everyone else to prove them wrong.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Timmay

They are incapable of accepting authentic information due to media abuse from their chosen information sources

What exactly is "authentic information?"

I'll say this, I do really enjoy the backbones of conspiracies. Truly, I do. Heavily slanted documentaries are convincing, so are slightly slanted docs.

When I first saw "Roger & Me," I was convinced that all people in Flint were killing rabbits just to survive.

But like most things, the truth is in middle.

Is there media bias? Yes. Most adults are aware of this. However, the notion of Donald Trump as some sort of media victim is comically sad at best. He is a master at media manipulation, always has been. It's been his modus operandi for decades.

Opinion is great, multiple opinions are better.

I read the same amount of left-leaning and right-leaning material.

I will say this, I do steer away from most fringe material because it's noise. That said, when the fringe leaks into the middle, I jump in and read up. No matter the side.

I also know that whatever your "truth" is, I can't sway it...nor would I care to.

You can't argue faith.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Here's the thing, movies like this or Pandemic place the burden of proof on the denier, not the person putting the doc out. Why should I have to prove it's wrong, it's job is to prove that it's right. "Documentaries" like this or Pandemic or even Loose Change just take a lot of ideas, shoot them against a wall, and then tell everyone else to prove them wrong.

Prove this wrong. : )

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by irv

Care to actually analyze and debunk the film based on facts, or are you just going to do the typical lib thing by calling me a crackpot and calling it lies and declaring anyone who believes it **INSERT BASELESS MEANINGLESS DEM LABEL HERE (racist, Nazi, transphobe, xenophobe, white supremacist, etc)**?

Yes. This seems like the appropriate response. Let's go with it.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by discostu

Yes, you're correct, election fraud can and does happen.

You should familiarize yourself will all known, proven cases of election fraud.

Where can you get such information? The conversative leaning Heritage Foundation of course.

They have tracked this going back decades.

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

It's a solid database, and a broad reach of cases extending well beyond what people are suggesting here.

1,300 proven instances (again, in varying forms) over decades. Please don't let their notion of " A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States" mislead you...this is all they have found. All is typically not a sample.

Read.

Enjoy.

Be merry.

Let it be clear... I’m not being misled because haven’t dove into this voter fraud thing because it seems like much ado about nothing in regard to the 2020 election. But it’s impossible not to see the posts in here about it and see the headlines. I voted for Trump and have laughed off fraud allegations from the right as soon as they started with them. The poster who mentioned dozens of cases... that’s about what I’d expect. Fairly insignificant.

Trump lost. Fraud played no role in the outcome. I’ve expressed my disappointment with the way Trump voters have reacted to this in a couple of my posts. I expected some of this stuff, but it feels far more prevalent than I expected. I thought it would be limited to fringe pockets of the right.

To those who say, “well the left behaved like brats for four years,” I agree, and I see your point, but reacting to piss poor behavior with piss poor behavior isn’t the way to respond here IMO.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Not bitter in the least. Just calling you on your cr@p and of course, the continued hypocrisy of your posts.

That’s what I thought. You’re the guy who was once a republican but is now aghast at the current state of the party and has to remind anyone who will listen at every opportunity.

What is it you wanna talk about? I remember disregarding you the first two times you did this, but you seem to really want my attention, otherwise you would’ve said your piece the first time and moved on. Let’s get this over with.

[Onepocketj]

It says in today's Washington Post that Trump hasn't attended a Coronavirus task force meeting in 5 months. That's just pathetic.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Let it be clear... I’m not being misled because haven’t dove into this voter fraud thing because it seems like much ado about nothing in regard to the 2020 election. But it’s impossible not to see the posts in here about it and see the headlines. I voted for Trump and have laughed off fraud allegations from the right as soon as they started with them. The poster who mentioned dozens of cases... that’s about what I’d expect. Fairly insignificant.

Trump lost. Fraud played no role in the outcome. I’ve expressed my disappointment with the way Trump voters have reacted to this in a couple of my posts. I expected some of this stuff, but it feels far more prevalent than I expected. I thought it would be limited to fringe pockets of the right.

To those who say, “well the left behaved like brats for four years,” I agree, and I see your point, but reacting to piss poor behavior with piss poor behavior isn’t the way to respond here IMO.

I agree. I would love to see a return to civility. Would be great if that was the mandate from the 2020 outcome.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by wood minis

I agree. I would love to see a return to civility. Would be great if that was the mandate from the 2020 outcome.

Not going to happen with how Trump has acted after the loss. I'd say of the 70 million that voted for him, at least 15-20 million are now more dedicated to Trump than the GOP. They'll vote GOP, but are die hard Trump fans who hang on his every word. That segment is going to make being civil difficult since they will forever more cry fraud when the 2020 election is mentioned.

The big difference between how the GOP has handled the results of 2020 compared to how the Democrats handled the results of 2016 is that the left fell back on winning the popular vote. I get it, the electoral college is here, but I think the "winner takes all" approach to most of the states is incredibly stupid. There should be a better way to dividing up state votes.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Not going to happen with how Trump has acted after the loss. I'd say of the 70 million that voted for him, at least 15-20 million are now more dedicated to Trump than the GOP. They'll vote GOP, but are die hard Trump fans who hang on his every word. That segment is going to make being civil difficult since they will forever more cry fraud when the 2020 election is mentioned.

The big difference between how the GOP has handled the results of 2020 compared to how the Democrats handled the results of 2016 is that the left fell back on winning the popular vote. I get it, the electoral college is here, but I think the "winner takes all" approach to most of the states is incredibly stupid. There should be a better way to dividing up state votes.

Being a resident of NYS I think it would be fair in states where a citiy or two make up a large portion of the population electoral college votes should be split according to the population difference. Winner take all for each half. City life in no way, shape or form accurately represents what most of the non NYC portions wants yet one city controls the fate of most of the state. A state in which I might add is hemorrhaging residents.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Being a resident of NYS I think it would be fair in states where a citiy or two make up a large portion of the population electoral college votes should be split according to the population difference. Winner take all for each half. City life in no way, shape or form accurately represents what most of the non NYC portions wants yet one city controls the fate of most of the state. A state in which I might add is hemorrhaging residents.

This discussion was going on in Arizona when I was there, though not in terms of EC votes.

Phoenix, or rather Maricopa County had over half the population of the state. In the state house, Phoenix politicians could vote for anything they needed. They could pass legislation in which all the state's money was spent in their county and no other county could do anything about it. But the state Senate was a different story. Counties are represented equally, regardless of population.

It made for an interesting dynamic in state government, for sure.

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[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

It says in today's Washington Post that Trump hasn't attended a Coronavirus task force meeting in 5 months. That's just pathetic.

But they can just say since it’s the post it’s fake news

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Being a resident of NYS I think it would be fair in states where a citiy or two make up a large portion of the population electoral college votes should be split according to the population difference. Winner take all for each half. City life in no way, shape or form accurately represents what most of the non NYC portions wants yet one city controls the fate of most of the state. A state in which I might add is hemorrhaging residents.

Still don't think it would have made a difference. NY is mostly liberal and Trump is a whack job. I don't think the two aren't changing anytime soon.

[yanksfan1]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Being a resident of NYS I think it would be fair in states where a citiy or two make up a large portion of the population electoral college votes should be split according to the population difference. Winner take all for each half. City life in no way, shape or form accurately represents what most of the non NYC portions wants yet one city controls the fate of most of the state. A state in which I might add is hemorrhaging residents.

Or just award Electoral College votes proportionally based on the popular vote in the state. I hate the electoral college anyway so I'm down for anything that reduces the chance of the nationwide popular vote winner not becoming president.

[DegaBama]

Rumor in Michigan is 3 weeks of lockdowns starting tomorrow. All bars and restaurants will have to close dine-in, all schools will be remote. All high school sports will stop, which just happens to be the state finals in football.

Those kids, man I feel bad for them. I know their life doesn't matter but it's sad.

[oldgoldy97]

Read that Jared and Ivanka had to pull their kids out their private school because of parents complaining about their lack of adherence to Covid protocols. Those poor kids.

[JustRachel]

I just read that Jared and Ivanka were caught on video throwing puppies off of a cliff. There were apparently two poodles, a chihuahua, and some sort of terrier mix. I also saw that Trump had a meeting with a Sith Lord, Darth Putin, and after delivering an update on his progress, narrowly escaped the meeting with his life.

Scary stuff out there in the Fake News world. Stay safe, friends.

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[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Rumor in Michigan is 3 weeks of lockdowns starting tomorrow. All bars and restaurants will have to close dine-in, all schools will be remote. All high school sports will stop, which just happens to be the state finals in football.

Those kids, man I feel bad for them. I know their life doesn't matter but it's sad.

Does the MDHHS have the authority to close schools? Whitmer doesn’t now.

Also I was told this would all end if Biden won the election, so I’m suspicious.