**The Perennial MIKE TROUT Thread**

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by dave2424

That was the answer I was looking for.
I am just saying if I was the owner of a card like that and was looking to sell 26.4 would be the beginning based on the fact that someone was willing to pay that regardless if the seller did not get all of it.

But thank you jjeanius, appreciate the help.

NP. IMO seller fees do not factor into FMV - only actual price paid by the buyer

[jstephens24]

saw on twitter yesterday someone make a post that their baseball teammate who used to be in the hobby found his old target red trout. Its been in a top loader this whole time. I wish I could remember the post so I could show it

[mcgoo2]

Just playing devil's advocate here, if you're using the price with a buyer's premium as a jumping off point, a PSA 10 Diamond Anniversary sold for $3,700. A PSA 10 BC Auto went for $16,800. Is it just a coincidence that the Heritage sales went for all-time highs compared to their eBay counterparts? If you compare Heritage Auctions sales to eBay sales, it's pretty clear that Heritage is causing cards to sell for more than they typically would.

Just a different perspective but I think it's more nuanced than buyer's premium + hammer price = FMV.

[regularp]

The buyer's premium on those Heritage auctions is garbage.

[Shadowsonic2004]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

NP. IMO seller fees do not factor into FMV - only actual price paid by the buyer

I agree with this. Whatever the buyer paid, that's the price it should be set at. If probstein sells a card for $100 it shows that on ebay but the seller and cosigner don't get that. Same should be said about Heritage.

Looking like I'll win one of the Trouts. Had my eye on 4 of them. I had two of them already so I bid low, didn't expect to win. The 1/1 Sterling, I wanted but I set my limit at 50k. Unless Daniela happened to win it I doubt it will be up for sale anytime soon.

[speedyjg13]

So how much did all these heritage auction cards sell for in the end?

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

So how much did all these heritage auction cards sell for in the end?

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by mcgoo2

Just playing devil's advocate here, if you're using the price with a buyer's premium as a jumping off point, a PSA 10 Diamond Anniversary sold for $3,700. A PSA 10 BC Auto went for $16,800. Is it just a coincidence that the Heritage sales went for all-time highs compared to their eBay counterparts? If you compare Heritage Auctions sales to eBay sales, it's pretty clear that Heritage is causing cards to sell for more than they typically would.

Just a different perspective but I think it's more nuanced than buyer's premium + hammer price = FMV.

Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

I agree with this. Whatever the buyer paid, that's the price it should be set at. If probstein sells a card for $100 it shows that on ebay but the seller and cosigner don't get that. Same should be said about Heritage.

For rare/low numbered cards (such as hope diamond and black) which do not surface often, a seller might be able to get the heritage price (hammer price + buyers premium) depending on how desperate the buyer is to acquire the card and how desperate the seller is to sell the card. It is all about finding that right buyer at the right time. I have seen some sellers selling their cards for 10-20% lower than heritage price because they are desperate for money.

On the other hand, heritage final price cannot be used as FMV on cards which are not rare such as Diamond Anniversary and Cognac diamond. A PSA 10 cognac diamond sold for $4440 (hammer price + BP) at heritage auction yesterday. Good luck to a seller who wants to sell his/her PSA 10 cognac diamond at ebay for $4440 because recent ebay sales are around $3,000

[Chrisyork33]

Weekend vs the M's. Just what the doctor ordered.

[jdung17]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

For rare/low numbered cards (such as hope diamond and black) which do not surface often, a seller might be able to get the heritage price (hammer price + buyers premium) depending on how desperate the buyer is to acquire the card and how desperate the seller is to sell the card. It is all about finding that right buyer at the right time. I have seen some sellers selling their cards for 10-20% lower than heritage price because they are desperate for money.

On the other hand, heritage final price cannot be used as FMV on cards which are not rare such as Diamond Anniversary and Cognac diamond. A PSA 10 cognac diamond sold for $4440 (hammer price + BP) at heritage auction yesterday. Good luck to a seller who wants to sell his/her PSA 10 cognac diamond at ebay for $4440 because recent ebay sales are around $3,000

What do you think caused the premium price for the PSA 10 Cognac sold through Heritage? That is a substantial premium for a card that is available regularly on eBay.

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by Chrisyork33

Weekend vs the M's. Just what the doctor ordered.

Yes please!

[KhalDrogo]

Last Cognac PSA 10 got $3300 on 7/5. None currently available.

Last Diamond PSA 10 got $3500 on 7/1. One PWCC auction running, and one available for $4500.

eBay is not the end all in determining price. Up until last night, Trout had hit 8 HRs with an OBP of 1.675 in July. So yeah, prices are going to bump, especially when demand far outstrips current supply.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by jdung17

What do you think caused the premium price for the PSA 10 Cognac sold through Heritage? That is a substantial premium for a card that is available regularly on eBay.

Honestly, I have no idea. My guess is some collector with big pocket who does not care on saving $1000 by shopping around (JK). Could it be planned price manipulation by two people/bidders? PWCC auction sale prices are also consistently higher. It could be due to customer loyalty, financing options etc.

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Last Cognac PSA 10 got $3300 on 7/5. None currently available.

Last Diamond PSA 10 got $3500 on 7/1. One PWCC auction running, and one available for $4500.

eBay is not the end all in determining price. Up until last night, Trout had hit 8 HRs with an OBP of 1.675 in July. So yeah, prices are going to bump, especially when demand far outstrips current supply.

khal, I bet a cognac PSA 10 will show up and sell on ebay for less than $4400 within a month. They are not that rare

EDIT: If I desperately want a hope diamond/60, I do no mind paying $26K because I do not know when the next one will show up for sale and at what price. However, I am not paying $4400 for a PSA 10 cognac when I can get it for less than $4000 somewhere else.

[wharfrat7624]

This arrived yesterday as well:




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[jdung17]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Last Cognac PSA 10 got $3300 on 7/5. None currently available.

Last Diamond PSA 10 got $3500 on 7/1. One PWCC auction running, and one available for $4500.

eBay is not the end all in determining price. Up until last night, Trout had hit 8 HRs with an OBP of 1.675 in July. So yeah, prices are going to bump, especially when demand far outstrips current supply.

Makes sense. I thought this card in a PSA 10 popped up more frequently, but you are right that it has not been for sale as much recently. I was just surprised that it sold for so much more than the last sale on eBay and at higher price than the PSA 10 Diamond. I am really wishing that I spent the extra money and bought a PSA 10 instead of the PSA 9 I bought a few years ago (although the wife wasn't thrilled about that "big" purchase as it was). Can't wait to see what the prices for these cards are at the end of the year if he has a good (by Trout standards) second half.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

so many nice trouts sold lately. I figure with trout being the most popular player in today's game people would be holding onto their trouts. Guess not.

[pcptrade]

Forgot to mention that a 2011 Topps Update PSA 10 sold for $1050 (hammer price + buyers premium) last night at heritage auction. There are currently two 2011 Topps Update PSA 10's available on ebay with a BIN of $950. Heritage also charges sales tax in most states similar to ebay.

[ToddW]

The big auction houses like Heritage generally are able to more easily pull in deep-pocketed investors who might not always be in the hobby - no coincidence their office here is in Beverly Hills and their New York office is on Park. Also, while I've never (and probably never will) spend $26k on a single card, if I did I would be a bit more comfortable dealing with an auction house (even with a premium) than doing a standard eBay purchase in the same way I'd buy a $10 card. That may not be warranted, but I would feel more comfortable. I wouldn't buy a Picasso via eBay, even if I could save some money. I view some of these cards at that level in relation to most modern cards.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by ToddW

The big auction houses like Heritage generally are able to more easily pull in deep-pocketed investors who might not always be in the hobby - no coincidence their office here is in Beverly Hills and their New York office is on Park. Also, while I've never (and probably never will) spend $26k on a single card, if I did I would be a bit more comfortable dealing with an auction house (even with a premium) than doing a standard eBay purchase in the same way I'd buy a $10 card. That may not be warranted, but I would feel more comfortable. I wouldn't buy a Picasso via eBay, even if I could save some money. I view some of these cards at that level in relation to most modern cards.

Trust and reputation plays an important factor in the sale of high end items. Agree on the highlighted part. However, I would not pay a premium to an auction house for low end items such as Topps Update base in a PSA 10 slab when I can get them for a lower price somewhere else. I understand it is subjective and that not every collector might think the same way

[crpav]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Trust and reputation plays an important factor in the sale of high end items. Agree on the highlighted part. However, I would not pay a premium to an auction house for low end items such as Topps Update base in a PSA 10 slab when I can get them for a lower price somewhere else. I understand it is subjective and that not every collector might think the same way

Yeah, don't really see a PSA 10 Update a card that warrants going through the extra expense and hassle. For that card ebay or even here is fine.

I picked up a 10 from a user here for $880 as well as the 2 Bowman Chromes. 101 (psa 9) and 175 (psa 10). Both for decent prices.

[speedyjg13]

So is Heritage Auctions the new PWCC or is PWCC still the king for consignment despite what's happened?

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by jdung17

Can't wait to see what the prices for these cards are at the end of the year if he has a good (by Trout standards) second half.

Winning MVP is what matters most I feel like.



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[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by Rabs

Winning MVP is what matters most I feel like.



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I hear this and understand this...but how much impact will it have on the cards? Say he wins it...card go up 5%? 10%?

[seabass97166]

Originally Posted by Chrisyork33

Weekend vs the M's. Just what the doctor ordered.

Followed by Orioles and Detroit. (also short 2 games vs LAD in the middle)

[seabass97166]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

I hear this and understand this...but how much impact will it have on the cards? Say he wins it...card go up 5%? 10%?

In my opinion I would say no. MVP isn't announced until mid November way after the season. I've always maintained it seems to peak during in season hot streaks (player of the month surges, etc)