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[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by daeve

Big Z - Why you so biiiiiggg?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

Problem is, even if Zion ends up being an Embiid, folks who already invested in Zion cards still stands to lose tons of $$$. Yes Oden is a bad comparison in terms of basketball skill and what they've done on the court. But honestly no one really ever shelled out big money for Oden cards, even before his injuries. Everyone was too busy spending all their dollars on Durant that year. Zion however had prices that rivals the top guys in the league already.

This isn’t true in the slightest.

The biggest gains and appreciation in card prices are when the market at large levels up. There are very few cards you could have bought in 2017, at ATH pricing for the time, that wouldn’t return massive appreciation currently. Regardless of player performance. The entire market moved up.

If the market moves up again, and Zion isn’t moonlighting at a Popeyes when it happens, his cards will ALSO move up.

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Sorry but this is terrible advice in general. Opportunity cost is a thing

Opportunity costs in equities is a thing. In cards not so much. Since cards are naturally illiquid, you can’t really shuffle them around and trade them the way you can with equities. By the time you consummated a deal the next thing is popping off. The nature of the beast is the card market is inefficient so it’s better to hold and wait for the 3-4 figure percentage gains.

Zion upside on certain cards is still greater than the downside and will remain that way for years.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

This isn’t true in the slightest.

The biggest gains and appreciation in card prices are when the market at large levels up. There are very few cards you could have bought in 2017, at ATH pricing for the time, that wouldn’t return massive appreciation currently. Regardless of player performance. The entire market moved up.

If the market moves up again, and Zion isn’t moonlighting at a Popeyes when it happens, his cards will ALSO move up.



Opportunity costs in equities is a thing. In cards not so much. Since cards are naturally illiquid, you can’t really shuffle them around and trade them the way you can with equities. By the time you consummated a deal the next thing is popping off. The nature of the beast is the card market is inefficient so it’s better to hold and wait for the 3-4 figure percentage gains.

Zion upside on certain cards is still greater than the downside and will remain that way for years.

It's important for any investment and like I said, if you're treating cards like an investment....

If we assume Zion will be out for the season (I think that's the reasonable assumption at this point), why buy now unless it's something super rare and something that you wouldn't be able to get again?

Barring some sort of miraculous come back and the Pelicans not sucking there are months left of declines for his card prices across everything.

Maybe opportunity cost isn't taking a loss on what you have but just not continuing to buy into a sinking ship and let things settle out? Sentiment isn't getting better any time soon

[KhalDrogo]

For most Zion cards, it makes absolutely no sense to not sell before the year ends. Lock in the loss for tax purposes, and buy back in next month if you are that antsy.

If things go well, I think late spring/early summer will be the best time to buy.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

For most Zion cards, it makes absolutely no sense to not sell before the year ends. Lock in the loss for tax purposes, and buy back in next month if you are that antsy.

If things go well, I think late spring/early summer will be the best time to buy.

I didn't even factor this in but 100% correct. Lock in the losses now and rebuy after the new year.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

It's important for any investment and like I said, if you're treating cards like an investment....

If we assume Zion will be out for the season (I think that's the reasonable assumption at this point), why buy now unless it's something super rare and something that you wouldn't be able to get again?

Barring some sort of miraculous come back and the Pelicans not sucking there is months left of declines for his card prices across everything.

Maybe opportunity cost isn't taking a loss on what you have but just not continuing to buy into a sinking ship and let things settle out? Sentiment isn't getting better any time soon

I just don't feel like opportunity cost is important in cards because you don't know when or where the next wave is coming.

The biggest price appreciations in cards come from factors outside of player performance.

I'd bet that I'd make higher returns buying a Zion-like guy (hyped but out of the spotlight) and hodling for the wave then being the guy constantly trying to flip and maximize his dollars on a week to week/month to month basis.

Maybe a better way to say it is I wouldn't be trading my Jordan cards for Curry cards right now if I was investment minded, even though Curry is the wave currently and have the better card "opportunity cost".

Since the truly investable cards aren't being passed around even month to month, I don't feel like you're ever truly missing out. If that makes any sense.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

For most Zion cards, it makes absolutely no sense to not sell before the year ends. Lock in the loss for tax purposes, and buy back in next month if you are that antsy.

If things go well, I think late spring/early summer will be the best time to buy.

Would you sell an NT RPA or Color Blast Zion right now?

Different strokes for different folks, but I personally wouldn't. It wouldn't even be a thought.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Would you sell an NT RPA or Color Blast Zion right now?

Different strokes for different folks, but I personally wouldn't. It wouldn't even be a thought.

NT would depend on my entry. Color Blast is a no because it’s going to be hard to replace.

Wonder what an NT would get right now. That October Goldin sale was a ridiculous overpay, even at that time.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I just don't feel like opportunity cost is important in cards because you don't know when or where the next wave is coming.

The biggest price appreciations in cards come from factors outside of player performance.

I'd bet that I'd make higher returns buying a Zion-like guy (hyped but out of the spotlight) and hodling for the wave then being the guy constantly trying to flip and maximize his dollars on a week to week/month to month basis.

Maybe a better way to say it is I wouldn't be trading my Jordan cards for Curry cards right now if I was investment minded, even though Curry is the wave currently and have the better card "opportunity cost".

Since the truly investable cards aren't being passed around even month to month, I don't feel like you're ever truly missing out. If that makes any sense.

Yea, I'm mostly talking about the junk stuff. The run of the mill silver psa 10 type stuff.

I just don't see what catalyst there is this year for any real increase in prices. Is he gonna get traded? Doubt it. Is he going to come back and play? Not for a few months if at all.

I do agree that taking that money and just moving it in and out of hyped players is unlikely to give you a better return. Unless you're taking something high end and borrowing against it? maybe not

but I also think cards are an absolutely terrible investment if you take away the pandemic boom so my opinion is worthless.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

NT would depend on my entry. Color Blast is a no because it’s going to be hard to replace.

Wonder what an NT would get right now. That October Goldin sale was a ridiculous overpay, even at that time.

I can definitely see that case on the NT.

Just if harvesting losses I'd probably be looking elsewhere to do that.

The market is so deep it can't really be boxed in, so when I'm talking about cards and the monetary side of these things I'm not talking about your chromium products or your base rookie stuff.

95% of Zion cards are not investments aside from what Jason is talking about. The quick flip, opportunity cost level of things. I don't care for that stuff and I don't think it really has a place when talking about the "market" and "investing" at large.

Also can't really debate that Zion cards aren't down. His CL index is at it's lowest point in the past year.

[jova888]

LOL, The idiots that paid alot of money for his card in hopes of flipping them.. I hope he never plays again..

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Also can't really debate that Zion cards aren't down. His CL index is at it's lowest point in the past year.

Peter Brandt just dropped the latest Factor Report.




Silver (refractor) lining:

Wendell's Ark still has limited parking spots available for all jsy matching dupes.

Yellen sippin' that good Metamucil if she thinks I'mma take a massive L on this Schedule C...

[Vdm2018]

Now his RCs are overpriced.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by jova888

LOL, The idiots that paid alot of money for his card in hopes of flipping them.. I hope he never plays again..

Regardless of your jealousy, that would be a very sad thing for the league.

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by jova888

LOL, The idiots that paid alot of money for his card in hopes of flipping them.. I hope he never plays again..

You have deep unresolved issues, seek help ASAP

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Big Z - Why you so biiiiiggg?

Eat vegetabrrrrr

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by Dame

I never said he’s blameless. But the Pels did hire David Griffin.

So, yes.

No one is forcing all that fat down his throat.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by jova888

LOL, The idiots that paid alot of money for his card in hopes of flipping them.. I hope he never plays again..

Incredibly sad to root against a kid that has been nothing but a prime off-the-court role model and great with kids/fans. I hope you get the help you need to feel better about yourself.

[Bob Ross]

I'm starting to think this fella is a bit overweight.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

Incredibly sad to root against a kid that has been nothing but a prime off-the-court role model and great with kids/fans. I hope you get the help you need to feel better about yourself.

Any person who says crap like that about any player is either trying to get a rise out of people or is just a gutter trash person. No player deserves to have their career taken from them due to an injury.


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[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Any person who says crap like that about any player is either trying to get a rise out of people or is just a gutter trash person. No player deserves to have their career taken from them due to an injury.


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I agree 100%. Except maybe Tom Wilson of the Capitals. Dude looks to end careers with cheap shots and head hunting. But overall, I do agree with you. And Zion has been great off-court with kids and fans, so I really don't understand the hate on him at all.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

I agree 100%. Except maybe Tom Wilson of the Capitals. Dude looks to end careers with cheap shots and head hunting. But overall, I do agree with you. And Zion has been great off-court with kids and fans, so I really don't understand the hate on him at all.

People are weird..people want to stick to the investors so bad..that they tend to take out their anger on the player. That's what it seems like to me all these players threads.

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

Incredibly sad to root against a kid that has been nothing but a prime off-the-court role model and great with kids/fans. I hope you get the help you need to feel better about yourself.

Couldn't have said it better myself

[regularp]

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...67764411871236

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by regularp

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...67764411871236

Uh oh, are they shelving him for the rest of the season?