**The Perennial JUAN SOTO Thread!** - Page 256

Rage · 12-16-2020, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeAdam

Realistically though, do we see any MVP's in the future?

Obviously biased like most in here but yes no doubt. Would've had one already if he got to play all 60 games this year.

ThoseBackPages · 12-17-2020, 12:21 AM

Soto will be 22 years of age for all of the 2021 season

lauriontj · 12-17-2020, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Soto will be 22 years of age for all of the 2021 season

Already has a ring and a batting title. He could sit out all of 2021 and I’d still be a buyer of his stuff.

wharfrat7624 · 12-17-2020, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by VintageTraderNC

Came across this pic today. Some of my favorite Sotos! Next season can't come soon enough...

Amazing! Congrats!

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calcoach2103 · 12-17-2020, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by VintageTraderNC

Came across this pic today. Some of my favorite Sotos! Next season can't come soon enough...

Unbelievable! How early were you grabbing the BCs?

Snakeonia · 12-17-2020, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeAdam

That is some insane Soto stash!

I've been looking to get back into the Soto game but can't help but think that maybe his "peak" card prices have passed and his cards won't keep going up. And before you jump on me, hear me out. I'm obviously a huge believer in Soto and very grateful for the spark he provided my collection.

Realistically though, do we see any MVP's in the future? The NL is stacked with young talent and Soto is 7th in the MVP odds to start the season behind Betts, Yelich, Acuna, Bellinger, Freeman and Tatis Jr.

Odds are 1/2 based on popularity 1/2 based on fact. Same reason the dodgers, cubs and yankees are usually world series favorites. He will be just fine. Only worries about betts and maybe a 40-40 acuna but I feel that’s unlikely.

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towerymt · 12-17-2020, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by calcoach2103

Unbelievable! How early were you grabbing the BCs?

Early, I'd say.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2178

I still remember walking back to the Metro after a Nats game and seeing a notification on my phone about Soto being called up. I didn't know much about him at the time, and that was 2018. Robles was the stud then, but I believe he may have been injured at the time. I only saw Robles once in the minors, July 4th, 2017 in A ball. I think he had 2 doubles, 3 or 4 hits, and looked ready for the next level. Never did see Soto before his call up in 2018.

REGGIE206 · 12-17-2020, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by VintageTraderNC

Came across this pic today. Some of my favorite Sotos! Next season can't come soon enough...

Love it, Bill! The red & superfractor are both amazing.. but the shine on that blue twitter refractor is WOW!

calcoach2103 · 12-17-2020, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by towerymt

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2178

Well tip of a hat to you!

KhalDrogo · 12-17-2020, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by towerymt

Early, I'd say.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2178

I still remember walking back to the Metro after a Nats game and seeing a notification on my phone about Soto being called up. I didn't know much about him at the time, and that was 2018. Robles was the stud then, but I believe he may have been injured at the time. I only saw Robles once in the minors, July 4th, 2017 in A ball. I think he had 2 doubles, 3 or 4 hits, and looked ready for the next level. Never did see Soto before his call up in 2018.

I still remember walking back to the Metro after a Nats game and seeing a notification on my phone about Soto being called up. I didn't know much about him at the time, and that was 2018. Robles was the stud then, but I believe he may have been injured at the time. I only saw Robles once in the minors, July 4th, 2017 in A ball. I think he had 2 doubles, 3 or 4 hits, and looked ready for the next level. Never did see Soto before his call up in 2018.[/QUOTE]
For a brief period of time in 2018 I was tracking BGS 9.5 sales of BCA for the top 100 prospects. In March, Acuna was #1, Ohtani #2, Vlad #3, ZEloy #4, Robles #5. Acuna'a BCA was $500, increasing to $800+ in May. Robles was $160, declining to $130 in May. Juan Soto was #56, with a $135 price tag in March, and $400 in May by time he had made it clear the minors were not for him.

Guys priced similarly to or more than Soto in March? Acuna, Vlad, Eloy, Robles, Torres, Senzel, Bichette, Tatis, Tucker, Rodgers, Lewis, Kingery, Adell, Hiura, Andujar, Ramos,

Some Guy · 12-17-2020, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NCWolf

An auction for a 2018 PRIZM-holo Soto is already at $152 with three days left. And the quality of the card is basically hidden behind what appears to be a Civil War era top loader.

Are football/basketball prizm collectors venturing over to baseball??

It’s now $61 someone retracted a bid with 2 days 14 hours left. Giggity giggity

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BosPats1980 · 12-17-2020, 07:51 AM

If those are just some of your favorites, I'd really love to see your favorites

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Originally Posted by VintageTraderNC

Came across this pic today. Some of my favorite Sotos! Next season can't come soon enough...

VintageTraderNC · 12-17-2020, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wharfrat7624

Amazing! Congrats!

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Thanks!

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Originally Posted by calcoach2103

Unbelievable! How early were you grabbing the BCs?

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Originally Posted by towerymt

Early, I'd say.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2178

I bought most right around release. I actually had 6 of the Orange refractor autos. Really hate that I sold 5 of them..

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Originally Posted by REGGIE206

Love it, Bill! The red & superfractor are both amazing.. but the shine on that blue twitter refractor is WOW!

Thanks Reggie! I agree. That Twitter Refractor is beautiful!

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Originally Posted by calcoach2103

Well tip of a hat to you!

Thanks!

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rngrdanny22 · 12-17-2020, 07:57 AM

Still jealous of that TCU super...

VintageTraderNC · 12-17-2020, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BosPats1980

If those are just some of your favorites, I'd really love to see your favorites

Haha! Most of them are posted on my IG @breakingbill_sportscards if you want to take a look

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Some Guy · 12-17-2020, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by VintageTraderNC

Haha! Most of them are posted on my IG @breakingbill_sportscards if you want to take a look

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You are the Grandmaster. I bow to you in reverence.

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BosPats1980 · 12-17-2020, 08:06 AM

Holy cow!! Do you still have all of them?

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Haha! Most of them are posted on my IG @breakingbill_sportscards if you want to take a look

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VintageTraderNC · 12-17-2020, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BosPats1980

Holy cow!! Do you still have all of them?

Yep. Have them all and then some. I need to update my pics when I have a free minute.

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BosPats1980 · 12-17-2020, 09:36 AM

Well please don't leave us waiting too long

That is awesome and even more impressive that you have been able to resist selling them for so long

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Originally Posted by VintageTraderNC

Yep. Have them all and then some. I need to update my pics when I have a free minute.

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HarryLime · 12-17-2020, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeAdam

That is some insane Soto stash!

I've been looking to get back into the Soto game but can't help but think that maybe his "peak" card prices have passed and his cards won't keep going up. And before you jump on me, hear me out. I'm obviously a huge believer in Soto and very grateful for the spark he provided my collection.

Realistically though, do we see any MVP's in the future? The NL is stacked with young talent and Soto is 7th in the MVP odds to start the season behind Betts, Yelich, Acuna, Bellinger, Freeman and Tatis Jr.

I'm not a Soto boner. I'll go weeks without looking at this thread and I don't remember the last time I bought a Soto card. I've been focusing on Tatis and Guerrero for the past months.

But the more I read, the more I think Soto is grossly undervalued. With apologies to Nats fans, I think being in D.C. and not having the "sexy" speed of Acuna allows Soto to fly under the radar.

The articles that I've read this offseason are making unreal comps for him and I'm not just talking about average and/or power. They're examining Soto's knowledge of the strike zone and patience. How he rarely swings at pitches outside of the zone and how his average against pitches inside of the zone is ludicrous. The only comp they came up with was Ted Williams.

Ted Williams.

For you guys that aren't well versed in the olden days, go look at Williams' baseball reference page. We're talking about a guy who put up 1.000+ OPS seasons, like, 18 and 19 years into his career. His numbers are beyond video game. And he lost three full seasons (in his prime) to military service.

That's the only player they could come up with that's done what Soto has done at such a young age.

As far as Vegas, you have to remember, Vegas isn't putting up the odds that they think an outcome will occur. They're putting up the odds that they think will draw even money on both sides of the wager. Vegas isn't looking to take a stance, they're looking to collect that dime.

Arthur

monkeymcgee · 12-17-2020, 09:54 AM

I was early to Soto and sold my big cards after his first boom. I'm loading up again. I think this is the last time we'll see a lot of these prices on his key cards.

NCWolf · 12-17-2020, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryLime

I'm not a Soto boner. I'll go weeks without looking at this thread and I don't remember the last time I bought a Soto card. I've been focusing on Tatis and Guerrero for the past months.

But the more I read, the more I think Soto is grossly undervalued. With apologies to Nats fans, I think being in D.C. and not having the "sexy" speed of Acuna allows Soto to fly under the radar.

The articles that I've read this offseason are making unreal comps for him and I'm not just talking about average and/or power. They're examining Soto's knowledge of the strike zone and patience. How he rarely swings at pitches outside of the zone and how his average against pitches inside of the zone is ludicrous. The only comp they came up with was Ted Williams.

Ted Williams.

For you guys that aren't well versed in the olden days, go look at Williams' baseball reference page. We're talking about a guy who put up 1.000+ OPS seasons, like, 18 and 19 years into his career. His numbers are beyond video game. And he lost three full seasons (in his prime) to military service.

That's the only player they could come up with that's done what Soto has done at such a young age.

As far as Vegas, you have to remember, Vegas isn't putting up the odds that they think an outcome will occur. They're putting up the odds that they think will draw even money on both sides of the wager. Vegas isn't looking to take a stance, they're looking to collect that dime.

Arthur

I do not like Soto. I'm a Braves fan and I can't stand the guy, mainly because he's so good.

I know Acuna just about as well as anyone and to be very honest I don't think he will be able to match Soto's success at the plate in the years to come.

A lot of Acuna's appeal is built on the back of 40-40 talk. Just my opinion but I believe those days are behind him. Now, he'll have years where he hits 40 HRs and strikes out a bunch. But with as much caution as the organization takes with him from a health standpoint, and how prone he has been to injuries whether its the wrist, back, ankle, shin etc. I don't see 40-40 in the future.

I have a good investment in both. But if Soto can be at least average in the OF, he's the safer card to own in my mind. There are also far fewer Soto rookie cards. Lower supply will always drive up demand.

Curious to hear what others think...

Cards and 401K · 12-17-2020, 10:09 AM

I started collecting Soto because of the Harper signing with the Phils, in March 2019 after a 7 year hiatus from collecting. I focused on US300,HMT55 and any Soto parallel with the a "RC" logo, nothing high end unfortunately but have over 300 graded 10 RC's, he is so clutch great eye at the plate and from members who have met him a great all around person!, looking forward to his 2021 season at age 22 years old!!

wharfrat7624 · 12-17-2020, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NCWolf

I do not like Soto. I'm a Braves fan and I can't stand the guy, mainly because he's so good.

I know Acuna just about as well as anyone and to be very honest I don't think he will be able to match Soto's success at the plate in the years to come.

A lot of Acuna's appeal is built on the back of 40-40 talk. Just my opinion but I believe those days are behind him. Now, he'll have years where he hits 40 HRs and strikes out a bunch. But with as much caution as the organization takes with him from a health standpoint, and how prone he has been to injuries whether its the wrist, back, ankle, shin etc. I don't see 40-40 in the future.

I have a good investment in both. But if Soto can be at least average in the OF, he's the safer card to own in my mind. There are also far fewer Soto rookie cards. Lower supply will always drive up demand.

Curious to hear what others think...

Fangraphs did this article in October talking about how Acuna is walking more and swinging less...

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/ronald-a...ally-greenlit/

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lauriontj · 12-17-2020, 01:41 PM

I’ll be honest, I’m surprised that BGS 9 Independence Day Card is still on eBay. In my opinion, one of His top 2 or 3 cards to acquire. Of course I am biased because I have one

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lauriontj Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: PA Posts: 6,268	I’ll be honest, I’m surprised that BGS 9 Independence Day Card is still on eBay. In my opinion, one of His top 2 or 3 cards to acquire. Of course I am biased because I have one __________________ Insta: tjssportscards24 PC: Griffey/Soto and like the Washington Nationals! My dad taught me to hate the Yankees. Now that I’m an adult, I realize I was raised correctly.

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monkeymcgee Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: VA Posts: 10,974	I was early to Soto and sold my big cards after his first boom. I'm loading up again. I think this is the last time we'll see a lot of these prices on his key cards.

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Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,568	I started collecting Soto because of the Harper signing with the Phils, in March 2019 after a 7 year hiatus from collecting. I focused on US300,HMT55 and any Soto parallel with the a "RC" logo, nothing high end unfortunately but have over 300 graded 10 RC's, he is so clutch great eye at the plate and from members who have met him a great all around person!, looking forward to his 2021 season at age 22 years old!!