2022 Topps Chrome Baseball Pre Sale.. thoughts? - Page 256

LVDan · 10-09-2022, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

so calling this a Rookie Card is acceptable? hey, its my card

Acceptable? Sure.
Accurate? Maybe not?

People regularly throw around the terms iconic, SP, rare, and holy grail.

Save the whales

ThoseBackPages · 10-09-2022, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

Acceptable? Sure.
Accurate? Maybe not?

People regularly throw around the terms iconic, SP, rare, and holy grail.

Save the whales

AMEN!

also, you cant call them whales anymore, its not PC!

ThoseBackPages · 10-09-2022, 04:49 PM

careful! that word got me two days in jail here!

LVDan · 10-09-2022, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

careful! that word got me two days in jail here!

Maybe that’ll teach me

LVDan · 10-09-2022, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

that is a great movie!

This is a sentiment I think we can all agree on.

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pewe · 10-09-2022, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

And it's strange that MLB/MLBPA, topps and beckett have to tell you what a rookie card is, when they don't even know and can't keep it consistent.

The one rule that follows through is the bowman/bowman draft "rule", and the collectors have spoken with their pride and wallet which is the most preferred "rookie" card.

Very true - collectors do spend much much more $$ on rookies that fit to the traditional definition than they do on first MiLB cards. That was a fun bit of math we did back in the BB21 thread

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hermanotarjeta · 10-09-2022, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

Very true - collectors do spend much much more $$ on rookies that fit to the traditional definition than they do on first MiLB cards. That was a fun bit of math we did back in the BB21 thread

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Yeah, by sheer volume and marketing, I think that’s right.

The first bowman game isn’t for everyone.

The general public needs guidelines on what to buy - that’s what maintains stability for the populace.

Jamesebee · 10-09-2022, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

The first bowman game isn’t for everyone.

The general public needs guidelines on what to buy - that’s what maintains stability for the populace.

It will be interesting to see if this changes significantly in a generation or so. The first wave of Fanatics-influenced releases might have a retroactive impact on previous releases, especially if player-curated releases become the norm. My guess is a dual scale of scarcity and commonality, with parallels and autographs creating more distinct collector buckets.

I've been thinking about this as a concept and the guidelines you mention are definitely based around fandom and souvenir mentality. As collectibles and physical items like Aaron's 62nd or JRod's RC Rose Gold Logofractor make current waves, more people will probably jump closer to the collector/influencer bandwagon. Gary V and others might not sway significantly today but there's a dogpile potential in the future.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 10-09-2022, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamesebee

It will be interesting to see if this changes significantly in a generation or so. The first wave of Fanatics-influenced releases might have a retroactive impact on previous releases, especially if player-curated releases become the norm. My guess is a dual scale of scarcity and commonality, with parallels and autographs creating more distinct collector buckets.

I've been thinking about this as a concept and the guidelines you mention are definitely based around fandom and souvenir mentality. As collectibles and physical items like Aaron's 62nd or JRod's RC Rose Gold Logofractor make current waves, more people will probably jump closer to the collector/influencer bandwagon. Gary V and others might not sway significantly today but there's a dogpile potential in the future.

Gary V was a joke, is a joke, and will be even more of a joke in the future. Somehow, against all odds, he found a way to make people respect him even less with his Vee Friends release. He created the perfect example of why people shouldn’t listen to “influencers” like him. Bravo.

RaceDog · 10-09-2022, 06:48 PM

From MLB:

Rookie Eligibility
Definition

A player shall be considered a rookie unless he has exceeded any of the following thresholds in a previous season (or seasons):

• 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues.
• 45 total days on an active Major League roster during the Championship Season (excluding time on the Injured List).

Since a player on a 1st Bowman does not meet these requirements since they have not been on a MLB team roster, why would they be considered as Rookie Cards? For me, they do not.
I PC Bowman firsts for my Tigers PC, but I don't consider them Rookie cards. (Pre Rookie and first professional card...yes)....fun to collect and can be profitable, but again, not Rookie cards.

Topps could fix this by mandating Bowman cards to be in minor league uniforms, but they will not because of $$$ (same thing as indicating Topps uses the RC shield for $$....goes both ways and I am sure Topps is happy making $$ both ways)

To each his own...have fun with your collections.

hermanotarjeta · 10-09-2022, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RaceDog

From MLB:

Rookie Eligibility
Definition

A player shall be considered a rookie unless he has exceeded any of the following thresholds in a previous season (or seasons):

• 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues.
• 45 total days on an active Major League roster during the Championship Season (excluding time on the Injured List).

Since a player on a 1st Bowman does not meet these requirements since they have not been on a MLB team roster, why would they be considered as Rookie Cards? For me, they do not.
I PC Bowman firsts for my Tigers PC, but I don't consider them Rookie cards. (Pre Rookie and first professional card...yes)....fun to collect and can be profitable, but again, not Rookie cards.

Topps could fix this by mandating Bowman cards to be in minor league uniforms, but they will not because of $$$ (same thing as indicating Topps uses the RC shield for $$....goes both ways and I am sure Topps is happy making $$ both ways)

To each his own...have fun with your collections.

Yes, the only way Topps can fix everything is to keep the bowman players in their minor league or international unis.

However, it would obviously kill their entire bowman line.

Jamesebee · 10-09-2022, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Gary V was a joke, is a joke, and will be even more of a joke in the future. Somehow, against all odds, he found a way to make people respect him even less with his Vee Friends release. He created the perfect example of why people shouldn’t listen to “influencers” like him. Bravo.

I fully agree with you! And you're right about creating the perfect example of cautiously and blindly following the advice of others when investing time, money, and energy into collectibles (fungible and non-fungible).

I think the "dogpile" aspect is around something a little more evenly distributed. Topps NOW and endless print runs of base cards means collectors can dictate demand. But I'm not sure if there's anything changing regarding scarcity when the bigger, more sought after names are likely to command a premium like we saw for Judg's autograph parallel.

Relating it back to Chrome and these silver packs, many believe the debacle involving failure to insert SSP's were a bamboozling to a hyperactive degree. Others still believe the upward slant for MSRP and low/no ROI on the primary market is going to cannibalize demand and create still more divisiveness amongst fans of the hobby, perhaps fans of the game. Did SpongeBob get a price bump because of the series clinching homer? You bet. But the next product and the first product also gets a nice spotlight as well.

I find secondary influence a smidge gimmicky, but I'm not susceptible to it, at least not unreasonably. I'll still gladly buy and open what I like. But the window and sphere of influence is narrow for me, and I bet for many others as well.

Stech36 · 10-09-2022, 07:43 PM

Looks like a few people have received lite boxes
https://www.ebay.com/itm/39428085627...mis&media=COPY

CxL · 10-09-2022, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stech36

Looks like a few people have received lite boxes
https://www.ebay.com/itm/39428085627...mis&media=COPY

people have been ripping them for 2 days.

nsdikin · 10-09-2022, 08:13 PM

Yep! And the JRod SPs are showing up on eBay and it’s not the same pose as the Logofractor.

The plot thickens….

cj828282 · 10-09-2022, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CxL

people have been ripping them for 2 days.

First break was just posted a few hours ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQYB20VnJd8

detroitbball · 10-09-2022, 08:20 PM

Wow. Surface condition of the cards was TERRIBLE

KhalDrogo · 10-09-2022, 08:23 PM

No ESP. So definitely not one per box.

brewtown107 · 10-09-2022, 08:29 PM

Did LVDan really get a vacation for saying the word whales? What is going on with that?

hotcalsun · 10-09-2022, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by brewtown107

Did LVDan really get a vacation for saying the word whales? What is going on with that?

I believe he used another word which another member was also recently on vacation for.

brewtown107 · 10-09-2022, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hotcalsun

I believe he used another word which another member was also recently on vacation for.

I guess that post was deleted then. Weird.

Pacmeyer · 10-09-2022, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brewtown107

I guess that post was deleted then. Weird.

Not weird. Plenty of stuff flies under the radar but if you get the attention of a triangle masher, it's jail for you at least for a while.

Fanatics2026 · 10-09-2022, 11:33 PM

1st bowman and 1st bowman autos typically always sell for more than any topps chrome rc of that player. Unless it’s a ssp, I myself like the bowman 1st...

BBases31 · 10-10-2022, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hotcalsun

I believe he used another word which another member was also recently on vacation for.

Any hint of what that word was? I'm so confused

towerymt · 10-10-2022, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

Any hint of what that word was? I'm so confused

BB21 and Rookie in the same sentence

10-09-2022, 04:49 PM	#6378
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,440 ThoseBackPages	careful! that word got me two days in jail here! __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

10-09-2022, 08:23 PM	#6393
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,106	No ESP. So definitely not one per box. __________________ I love PSA!

10-09-2022, 06:48 PM	#6385
RaceDog Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 2,338	From MLB: Rookie Eligibility Definition A player shall be considered a rookie unless he has exceeded any of the following thresholds in a previous season (or seasons): • 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues. • 45 total days on an active Major League roster during the Championship Season (excluding time on the Injured List). Since a player on a 1st Bowman does not meet these requirements since they have not been on a MLB team roster, why would they be considered as Rookie Cards? For me, they do not. I PC Bowman firsts for my Tigers PC, but I don't consider them Rookie cards. (Pre Rookie and first professional card...yes)....fun to collect and can be profitable, but again, not Rookie cards. Topps could fix this by mandating Bowman cards to be in minor league uniforms, but they will not because of $$$ (same thing as indicating Topps uses the RC shield for $$....goes both ways and I am sure Topps is happy making $$ both ways) To each his own...have fun with your collections.

10-09-2022, 07:43 PM	#6388
Stech36 Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Westminster, MD Posts: 9,537 Stech36	Looks like a few people have received lite boxes https://www.ebay.com/itm/39428085627...mis&media=COPY

10-09-2022, 08:13 PM	#6390
nsdikin Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 105	Yep! And the JRod SPs are showing up on eBay and it’s not the same pose as the Logofractor. The plot thickens….

10-09-2022, 08:20 PM	#6392
detroitbball Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 493	Wow. Surface condition of the cards was TERRIBLE

10-09-2022, 08:29 PM	#6394
brewtown107 Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,226 brewtown107	Did LVDan really get a vacation for saying the word whales? What is going on with that?

10-09-2022, 11:33 PM	#6398
Fanatics2026 Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Posts: 778	1st bowman and 1st bowman autos typically always sell for more than any topps chrome rc of that player. Unless it’s a ssp, I myself like the bowman 1st...