**Official Luka Doncic Thread**

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

They’re both great. Preview is readily available. Well under 100 copies of the actual Obsidian base. I love the black jersey on black background.

Hmmm, decisions.

Thanks man

Originally Posted by armyml

Can confirm even the previews are beautiful in hand. I got a blue /99 from a chronicles hobby last year and sold it for wayyyy to little. But this is the case when you sell Luka at all. Dudes cards don’t depreciate. I pulled the trigger on some BINs today and about an hour later I saw the higher BINs disappearing as well.


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Really nice card

[Chris P]

I Love the Obsidian cards Preview and Regular. I pulled an Orange Numbered to 25 from a box Obsidian when it came out. I love it, definitely one of my favorite Lukas

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by armyml

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Love the Obsidian cards but I wish the Obsidian blue wasn't so neon - doesn't quite match the Mavs jersey like the rest of the blues from Chronicles.

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

Another thread Luka vs Amazon got me thinking about Luka's potential and injuries aside what his career may look like 10 years from now.

For fun i'll try to project Luka's career 10 years from now based on what I've seen so far and how I think it may look.

Let's say injuries aside (knock on wood) this is what his career numbers look like in 2030. He still has several good years left in the tank. Where would you rank Luka on the all-time greats list at 31 years old?

Currently:
2018-19 - 21-8-6
2019-20 - 29-9-8

Future Projections:
2020-21 - 31-9-10
2021-22 - 30-10-10
2022-23 - 28-9-10
2023-24 - 29-10-8
2024-25 - 27-11-10
2025-26 - 26-8-9
2026-27 - 32-12-11
2027-28 - 26-8-8
2028-29 - 25-8-9
2029-30 - 29-10-10

ROY, 2x MVP, 2x World Champion, 11x All-Star, 3rd all-time in career triple doubles 170. ( Westbrook 210 broke Oscar Robertson's record of 181)

What do you say Luka fans?

No one want's to play?

I would say top 11-20 from those stats knocking on top 10. Hopefully with the rest of his career he can climb higher up the list.

I know those are some lofty stats and goals but I really think he's capable of producing them. I tried to make them fairly realistic. There are some up years and some down years in there. Most players improve over time within their first 5 years of the league. Basically Luka doesn't even need to get much better he just has to stay healthy and maintain his current level of play to reach those goals. Even though I think he will get better as that is only natural. Not many players peak at 20-21 years old that I can recall.


This also got me thinking what separates the all-time greats from the really good players? Is there any way to tell early on in a players career?

In my opinion the all-time greats don't necessarily peak earlier but they blossom faster than others. They become really good and dominant from an early age in their careers. It's evident they have a higher basketball IQ, ability, and motor (drive) than others.

It will be fun to follow his career and if this thread is still alive several years from now look back and see how he did comparatively.

[IndyKMB]

Had some Luka magic appear this week from November PSA subs.
The Phoenix is #d 77/99:

[Prospectorsadvantage]

Those blues are beauties!!!

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by IndyKMB

Had some Luka magic appear this week from November PSA subs.
The Phoenix is #d 77/99:

SEXY!

[daveyou]

pulled these two from 2 boxes and while sorting my commons box, subbed to psa last summer as a bulk sub. very underrated.

2018 Prizm LUKA DONCIC RC Mosaic Green PSA 10 by davemhyou, on Flickr2018 Prizm LUKA DONCIC RC Mosaic PSA 10 by davemhyou, on Flickr

[TSonn]

My favorite cards.



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[Spacemanspif]

WTF... can someone explain to me how an Immac RPA went for less than 10x the price of Prizm PSA 10? The logic of today's market (or lack thereof) is breaking my brain

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LUKA-DONCIC...9/353073520195

[Giannis34fan]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

WTF... can someone explain to me how an Immac RPA went for less than 10x the price of Prizm PSA 10? The logic of today's market (or lack thereof) is breaking my brain

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LUKA-DONCIC...9/353073520195

Because people are stupid? Lol

I forgot about that auction...that could've been a great addition to my Luka collection. Doh!! Oh well...

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by daveyou

pulled these two from 2 boxes and while sorting my commons box, subbed to psa last summer as a bulk sub. very underrated.

2018 Prizm LUKA DONCIC RC Mosaic Green PSA 10 by davemhyou, on Flickr2018 Prizm LUKA DONCIC RC Mosaic PSA 10 by davemhyou, on Flickr

This Silver has really been heating up lately. You'll hear more from me on this in a bit.....

[Jdan67]

I have to say, given what some of his cards are going for....5K for the Immac RPA seems like a steal of a deal. 2 Prizm silver PSA 10's or a Immac RPA (perhaps 2nd best RPA)?

This hobby has gotten weird lately...

[insanepjc]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

I have to say, given what some of his cards are going for....5K for the Immac RPA seems like a steal of a deal. 2 Prizm silver PSA 10's or a Immac RPA (perhaps 2nd best RPA)?

This hobby has gotten weird lately...

#sheepgroup not properly informed to invest in immac

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[KhalDrogo]

Immaculate has too many versions and isn't accessible to the masses. A card for the few, not the many. Base RCs always win because everyone has a chance to get one.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Immaculate has too many versions and isn't accessible to the masses. A card for the few, not the many. Base RCs always win because everyone has a chance to get one.

I just logged on to ask why there are so many immaculate autos!

[vincecarder]

Very nice jersey # Phoenix Doncic. I own 77/99 Blue Obsidian Doncic that got a psa 10 as well.

Originally Posted by IndyKMB

Had some Luka magic appear this week from November PSA subs.
The Phoenix is #d 77/99:

[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Immaculate has too many versions and isn't accessible to the masses. A card for the few, not the many. Base RCs always win because everyone has a chance to get one.

Come on, can't really use the "has too many versions" argument in this day and age can you? How many prizm/select/Optic variations are there across hobby/retail?

For Luka we have the /99, /77, /24, /10, /3...So 5 variations.
213 total cards in population for his RPA's. I don't care what anyone says, that is a LOW number of cards given the demand he has. Look at the Silver pop report, really?

"the masses argument I get" ...but for the long term I just don't know. I may be against the majority here, but at a 2:1 ratio I'd take the Immac all day. This is coming from someone who owns 5 PSA 10 Silvers that were bought raw for 200/

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

Come on, can't really use the "has too many versions" argument in this day and age can you? How many prizm/select/Optic variations are there across hobby/retail?

For Luka we have the /99, /77, /24, /10, /3...So 5 variations.
213 total cards in population for his RPA's. I don't care what anyone says, that is a LOW number of cards given the demand he has. Look at the Silver pop report, really?

"the masses argument I get" ...but for the long term I just don't know. I may be against the majority here, but at a 2:1 ratio I'd take the Immac all day. This is coming from someone who owns 5 PSA 10 Silvers that were bought raw for 200/

I think it's not the parallels, it's the variations that make it a confusing buy. Just a quick search this morning and I found like 7 different Immaculate auto/patch image/orientation variations. Which one is "the one" to get? Unless you're in the know, you don't know. Parallels are much easier to figure out - silvers, low #'d, jersey color, gold.

[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I think it's not the parallels, it's the variations. Just a quick search this morning and I found like 7 different Immaculate auto/patch image/orientation variations. Which one is "the one" to get? Unless you're in the know, you don't know. Parallels are much easier to figure out - silvers, low #'d, jersey color, gold.

I hear you....the chase cards are the true RC, with the RC logo badge and this is the one i'm referencing in my statement of a 2:1 ratio. The Immac set core chase card has always been the jersey numbered acetates. The fact that all are acetate this year perhaps diminishes that a bit but still, I'll hold on my argument here.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

Come on, can't really use the "has too many versions" argument in this day and age can you? How many prizm/select/Optic variations are there across hobby/retail?

For Luka we have the /99, /77, /24, /10, /3...So 5 variations.
213 total cards in population for his RPA's. I don't care what anyone says, that is a LOW number of cards given the demand he has. Look at the Silver pop report, really?

"the masses argument I get" ...but for the long term I just don't know. I may be against the majority here, but at a 2:1 ratio I'd take the Immac all day. This is coming from someone who owns 5 PSA 10 Silvers that were bought raw for 200/

Originally Posted by TSonn

I think it's not the parallels, it's the variations that make it a confusing buy. Just a quick search this morning and I found like 7 different Immaculate auto/patch image/orientation variations. Which one is "the one" to get? Unless you're in the know, you don't know. Parallels are much easier to figure out - silvers, low #'d, jersey color, gold.

it's really 3 variations:
/99 /77 /10 all have the same picture / format, just better patch on the /10
/24 / 3 are the FOTL weirdos that got added last year
/50 /25 are the Premium Patch variations

also, in total that's again, 7. TSonn your argument how the "Parallels are much easier" has 4 rounded off variations, which probably equals more than 10 variations total. ("Low #'d" is a pretty broad statement)

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

Come on, can't really use the "has too many versions" argument in this day and age can you? How many prizm/select/Optic variations are there across hobby/retail?

For Luka we have the /99, /77, /24, /10, /3...So 5 variations.
213 total cards in population for his RPA's. I don't care what anyone says, that is a LOW number of cards given the demand he has. Look at the Silver pop report, really?

"the masses argument I get" ...but for the long term I just don't know. I may be against the majority here, but at a 2:1 ratio I'd take the Immac all day. This is coming from someone who owns 5 PSA 10 Silvers that were bought raw for 200/

I couldn't tell you the difference between them off the top of my head. But I do know colors, so Prizm is pretty easy for me.

Immaculate is a very tough sell. Costs a lot of money but isn't special in any way. Flawless is game used. NT is the pinnacle of RPAs. And now with all of the RPAs having acetate finishing, the jersey #'d RPAs aren't anything special anymore. Don't know what the future holds for Immaculate, but it's not where I would want to put my Luka money.

[Jdan67]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I couldn't tell you the difference between them off the top of my head. But I do know colors, so Prizm is pretty easy for me.

Immaculate is a very tough sell. Costs a lot of money but isn't special in any way. Flawless is game used. NT is the pinnacle of RPAs. And now with all of the RPAs having acetate finishing, the jersey #'d RPAs aren't anything special anymore. Don't know what the future holds for Immaculate, but it's not where I would want to put my Luka money.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but I’ll disagree with you. Flawless is game used, but no “true RPA” with RC logo. Talk about variations.... flawless has gotten terrible with the amount of auto patches. Truth of the matter is, this hobby is full of RC snobs, so til then, Immac triumphs over Flawless (aside from the vertical IMO) but again not a true RPA).

Take a look at Giannis, last raw /99 did 10K...when you think what their NT’s go for it’s a great ‘poor mans’ alternative at a fraction of the price. JMO

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

it's really 3 variations:

/99 /77 /10 all have the same picture / format, just better patch on the /10

/24 / 3 are the FOTL weirdos that got added last year

/50 /25 are the Premium Patch variations



also, in total that's again, 7. TSonn your argument how the "Parallels are much easier" has 4 rounded off variations, which probably equals more than 10 variations total. ("Low #'d" is a pretty broad statement)

I see these currently on eBay when searching "Luka Immaculate Auto":



From your comment, it also looks like I'm missing some in the image. Don't get me wrong, they're all awesome cards. But it's a bit confusing. None of the autos have the RC badge? Are they all technically "inserts" then? Why is the subjectively more visually-appealling RPA not the "true RPA"? I understand it's because it doesn't have the RC badge, but the bigger patch looks like the "better" card. It also doesn't say anything on it that would suggest it's an insert so it's just strange.

[rcearley]

I'm buying Flawless and Immaculate all day everyday over NT for the price point value. I would rather have all versions of the Immaculate RPA then 1 NT, I don't care what the masses go after. Time can change that point of view, there are Lebron RC cards that people said would never be at the top of the current list that are now.