Longtime dealer Johnny Adams Jr. trimmed vintage cards and sold thru PWCC for years

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

But that's not all:
Buy Nice Cards.Com Booth Number : #560 Eric Bitz
PWCC Marketplace Booth Number : #2452 #2448 #2353 #2349 Betsy Huigens
Triple sSs Sportscard Booth Number : #525 #624 Mike Skerbe
Metro Sports Cards Booth Number : #2333 Brandon Taing

I guess the birthday party ended because of COVID.

Anyone like to participate in a lobbying effort to get them removed?

If convention organizers don’t remove them, we’d learn even more about how the hobby “works”...and would have reason not to support the National.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Anyone like to participate in a lobbying effort to get them removed?

If convention organizers don’t remove them, we’d learn even more about how the hobby “works”...and would have reason not to support the National.

You already know how the hobby works.

[ken161]

Originally Posted by corndog

The 41st National is scheduled for July 28-August 1, 2021 at the Donald E Stephens Convention Center in Chicago (Rosemont) IL.

Stop by and say hello to card trimmer Johnny Adams, Jr. in booth number 632 and 636.

https://nsccshow.com/dealer_list

This is very disappointing. It's almost like the sports card collecting hierarchy is conceding the hobby is a racket.

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

But that's not all:
Buy Nice Cards.Com Booth Number : #560 Eric Bitz
PWCC Marketplace Booth Number : #2452 #2448 #2353 #2349 Betsy Huigens
Triple sSs Sportscard Booth Number : #525 #624 Mike Skerbe
Metro Sports Cards Booth Number : #2333 Brandon Taing

I guess the birthday party ended because of COVID.

What about the Booth # for the biggest offender of them all? The enabler of at least 90% of the fraud... P S A

(NEVER GET CHEATED)

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by ken161

This is very disappointing. It's almost like the sports card collecting hierarchy is conceding the hobby is a racket.

What's new? Most collectors would stab each other in the back also over cards...

[corndog]

PSA Cert #26975924

1957 Topps Warren Hacker #370

Value gain of $785.43


PSA Set Registry: private

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller tsc*c as a PSA 8 for $62.57 on October 26, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $848.00 on April 12, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by ken161

This is very disappointing. It's almost like the sports card collecting hierarchy is conceding the hobby is a racket.

Not ‘collecting hierarchy’ but the flipping hierarchy. Most people who started out intending to try to find an honest way to live off the hobby selling cards have been corrupted.

[DragonWagon]

All of the exposed cards from this thread and more totaling over 4300 are sorted by sport and then layer last name by going to https://www.tiffanycards.com/buyer-beware . You can even search for a specific serial #.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #26549747

1954 Bowman Les Richter #78

Value gain of $153.46


PSA Set Registry: Nellie's 1954 Bowman FB

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $65.99 on April 24, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $219.45 on March 22, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #26975969

1954 Bowman Y.A. Tittle #42

Value gain of $1,403.00

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 8 for $167.00 on April 26, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $1,570.00 on April 25, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #26549735

1958 Topps Kansas City Athletics #174

Value gain of $254.01

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller stevenovella as a PSA 8 for $76.99 on July 13, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $331.00 on February 09, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge.

[Bruins1993]

Not surprising how PSA (Hi Nat!) is crickets on releasing all the submission records from this guy and all the others highlighted for trimming/recoloring/altering...

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Not surprising how PSA (Hi Nat!) is crickets on releasing all the submission records from this guy and all the others highlighted for trimming/recoloring/altering...

How many hundreds of thousands is Nat into in altered graded cards…?

Seems as though if Nat really wanted to be honest and send a message, he’d take his own altered cards off the registry and crack them out of their cases…

…although that would reward other scumbags who will try to profit themselves from the now lower pop reports of those cards.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #42213816

1958 Topps Andy Carey #333

Value gain of $153.40


PSA Set Registry: Stevenson collection

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller Probstein123 as a PSA 8 for $52.10 on April 10, 2018.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $205.50 on April 10, 2019.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed top and bottom edges.

[DragonWagon]

added to the altered card database https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[corndog]

Interesting development, the altered card shown below from Dec 2019 and outed by Superdan, cert #41228101, has been deactivated by PSA...
Perhaps the set registry owner shown got involved?

Originally Posted by superdan49

PSA Cert #:41228101

1950 Bowman #248 Sam Jethroe PSA 8 to PSA 9
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: Barrefrank's 1950 Bowman Basic Set

Sold on 9/11/2017 as a PSA 8 by PWCC to johnnyadamsjr for $91.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 8/13/2018 as a PSA 9 for $1,126.01
Final price: $1,126.01
Value gain: $1,035.01!


The left edge of this 1950 Bowman Sam Jethroe card has been trimmed rather significantly, as seen from the red boxes. The green circles are print spots and/or stains that prove the images are of the same card. Regarding the grading, it's telling that Johnny Adams didn't think he had to get rid of that brown stain on the reverse to get this card upgraded. Moreover, in addition to the trimmed cards, this PSA submission (which I believe to be a PWCC "special clients" sub) is also full of grade bumps awarded by PSA of untrimmed cards sourced to Johnny Adams and then sold by PWCC.


PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1540950
PSA 9: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1720566

[corndog]

This one was deactivated also. The certs around the two cards are good, so these two cards were targeted by PSA.

Deactivated card link: https://www.psacard.com/cert/27755528

Originally Posted by superdan49

PSA Cert #:27755528

1954 Bowman #11 Sid Gordon PSA 8 to PSA 10
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: The Hill Collection

Sold on 2/19/2017 as a PSA 8 by eBay seller probstein123 to johnnyadamsjr for $37.45
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/10/2017 as a PSA 10 for $3,605.00
Final price: $3,605.00
Value gain: $3,567.55!


An absolutely incredible monetary gain here on this trimmed 1954 Bowman Gordon card. The right edge has been trimmed, creating one of the two PSA 10's ever graded. The trimmed edge has been boxed in green in both obverse photos. The purple circles are paper fibers and/or print spots confirming the two images are of the same card. More information on this card to come shortly.


PSA 8: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999
PSA 10: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1556385

[corndog]

Quite a few more of the Johnny Adams, Jr. submitted cert numbers from this 2015 submission
have been intentionally deactivated by PSA from the database.
The cert #s that have been deactivated were never mentioned in this thread.
The smattering of cards that are still active in this cert run appear to be grade bumps only.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #26975988

1954 Bowman Joe Perry #6

Value gain of $327.58

PSA Set Registry: TheBartholomewCollection

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller m.sassin as a PSA 8 for $59.00 on March 26, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $386.58 on April 25, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.

[DragonWagon]

updated https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[Bruins1993]

“With the huge value placed on trading cards and the grading and authentication on those, there’s all the card manipulation that goes into it, the altering of cards, which the third-party experts are trying to police again. You throw on there market manipulation, the impact a false sale may have on future sales of like objects.”
https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...llectibles-fbi

third-party experts!

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

“With the huge value placed on trading cards and the grading and authentication on those, there’s all the card manipulation that goes into it, the altering of cards, which the third-party experts are trying to police again. You throw on there market manipulation, the impact a false sale may have on future sales of like objects.”
https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...llectibles-fbi

third-party experts!

I wonder if they got Brian's words wrong, that quote doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #26975987

1948 Bowman Jim Hardy #56

Value gain of $29.50

PSA Set Registry: JRM 1948 Bowman

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller hanks_haberdashery as a PSA 8 for $83.00 on January 28, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $112.50 on May 17, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge.

[DragonWagon]

updated https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[vwnut13]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Anyone like to participate in a lobbying effort to get them removed?

If convention organizers don’t remove them, we’d learn even more about how the hobby “works”...and would have reason not to support the National.

Wouldn't it be easier if PSA didn't grade the trimmed cards?

How about lobbying to have PSA removed from the National?