The absurdity of ebay's authenticity guarantee

[Blazed]

I think AG is starting to get backed up

Had one arrive at AG last Monday and just got authenticated today. Longest it's ever taken

Funny part, not one single tracking scan along the way

Just shows a message saying "Seller to Authenticator (Step 1)
Although we did not receive tracking events, your item still made it past this step."

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by Blazed

I think AG is starting to get backed up

Had one arrive at AG last Monday and just got authenticated today. Longest it's ever taken

Funny part, not one single tracking scan along the way

Just shows a message saying "Seller to Authenticator (Step 1)
Although we did not receive tracking events, your item still made it past this step."

The card market is strong right now

[jamcas997]

Just sold a Slabbed SGC 10/10 today for $299. What makes this one so strange is my funds are on hold until the item is AUTHENTICATED. This is a first for me, that is to have my funds on hold. I have sold at least 3 cards in the last 3 months that were slabbed and sent to PSA for authentication where they never held my $$. Is this something new?

I think the only thing different is it is going to the EBAY VAULT eventually.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by jamcas997

Just sold a Slabbed SGC 10/10 today for $299. What makes this one so strange is my funds are on hold until the item is AUTHENTICATED. This is a first for me, that is to have my funds on hold. I have sold at least 3 cards in the last 3 months that were slabbed and sent to PSA for authentication where they never held my $$. Is this something new?

I think the only thing different is it is going to the EBAY VAULT eventually.

It has happened to me periodically.

[DynaEtch]

Generally it’s when you sell things in a category you haven’t before (e.g. a sports card seller selling a marvel card which they don’t normally, probably has funds held going through eBay AG.). eBay Vault might be another possibility, not sure.

In the category I sell in primaruly, I don’t get holds for eBay AG sales…can’t remember it at least.

[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Generally it’s when you sell things in a category you haven’t before (e.g. a sports card seller selling a marvel card which they don’t normally, probably has funds held going through eBay AG.). eBay Vault might be another possibility, not sure.

In the category I sell in primaruly, I don’t get holds for eBay AG sales…can’t remember it at least.

I sell cards and only cards. I have only had cards go through the AG the last 2 plus years and never had funds held. I have even sold $2500 and $4000 cards in the past before AG that funds were never held. It just seems very strange to have them held all of a sudden going to the VAULT or where ever,

[MavsRChamps]

Welp, I sold a card for $300+ via best offer on Ebay ... Item passed Ebay Authenticity but they are reporting "minor issue of bent/rounded corners". This is utterly ridiculous. They sent a picture of the card circling these supposed "rounded corners". Mind you this is a thicker card with a black border. Card was actually in pretty good NM-MT shape in my opinion. Of course you'll see a little white on the corners given card design, but now the fact the buyer can essentially deny the card is incredibly frustrating. Ebay basically making up the issue of bent/rounded corners unless they themselves damaged the card?

Anyone else have any issues sending raw cards through Ebay Authenticity and having this same issue of being super critical of condition?

What's hilarious to me is they take a picture of the card over a black background that already has white specks on it - The top left of the card in the picture I don't even believe is a ding; it's simply the white speck in the background. Even if it is a ding, oh well. I did not describe the card as Mint. A card can have a ding or multiple and still be .. sellable? The picture shows nothing to me.

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[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

Welp, I sold a card for $300+ via best offer on Ebay ... Item passed Ebay Authenticity but they are reporting "minor issue of bent/rounded corners". This is utterly ridiculous. They sent a picture of the card circling these supposed "rounded corners". Mind you this is a thicker card with a black border. Card was actually in pretty good NM-MT shape in my opinion. Of course you'll see a little white on the corners given card design, but now the fact the buyer can essentially deny the card is incredibly frustrating. Ebay basically making up the issue of bent/rounded corners unless they themselves damaged the card?

Anyone else have any issues sending raw cards through Ebay Authenticity and having this same issue of being super critical of condition?

What's hilarious to me is they take a picture of the card over a black background that already has white specks on it - The top left of the card in the picture I don't even believe is a ding; it's simply the white speck in the background. Even if it is a ding, oh well. I did not describe the card as Mint. A card can have a ding or multiple and still be .. sellable? The picture shows nothing to me.

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If you recall 2 years ago I did. I sold a Leaf Triple auto Relic Erving , Johnson and Bird. They claimed there was a ding in Bird relic window and the card was not NRMT. I got the card back while tthey took funds from my account and refunded the buyer. I got the card back and filed the ship cover ins as it was not damaged when I shipped it. They paid the ins. and I sent to SGC for grading getting a 9 with 10 auto. Sold the card 3 months later for $200 more than the first time so screw ebay for trying to screw me.


Just an opinion If you plan on selling any item over $150 on Ebay I would grade SGC at the minimum.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by jamcas997

If you recall 2 years ago I did. I sold a Leaf Triple auto Relic Erving , Johnson and Bird. They claimed there was a ding in Bird relic window and the card was not NRMT. I got the card back while tthey took funds from my account and refunded the buyer. I got the card back and filed the ship cover ins as it was not damaged when I shipped it. They paid the ins. and I sent to SGC for grading getting a 9 with 10 auto. Sold the card 3 months later for $200 more than the first time so screw ebay for trying to screw me.

Just an opinion If you plan on selling any item over $150 on Ebay I would grade SGC at the minimum.

So you had ship cover pay out insurance for a card that wasn’t really damaged? That part I don’t get

[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

So you had ship cover pay out insurance for a card that wasn’t really damaged? That part I don’t get

Ebay Authentication said it was damaged and it was not when I had it so their INS covered it. Don't like it tough! I sent it out for grading after so there would not be a complaint by a buyer or EBAY Authentication. SGC gave a 9/10au. Again don't like it tough. I listed it for auction and it sold for more! Again don't like it kick rocks!

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by jamcas997

Ebay Authentication said it was damaged and it was not when I had it so their INS covered it. Don't like it tough! I sent it out for grading after so there would not be a complaint by a buyer or EBAY Authentication. SGC gave a 9/10au. Again don't like it tough. I listed it for auction and it sold for more! Again don't like it kick rocks!

Smh, yikes this says a lot. Ship cover definitely shouldnt have been paying that.

The by far least likely scenario is the shipping company “caused” whatever that was. If you have a card adequately protected in mailing, it doesn’t usually just take on damage inside the package. The by far more likely scenarios are 1) ebay ag did not assess the card correctly, or 2) you didn’t (and sgc didnt)…in either of those cases the shipping insurance has nothing to do with it…shouldn’t have paid that. Sounds like you ended up with twice money from the card which is a sign of a breakdown in the process along the way

[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Smh, yikes this says a lot. Ship cover definitely shouldnt have been paying that.

The by far least likely scenario is the shipping company “caused” whatever that was. If you have a card adequately protected in mailing, it doesn’t usually just take on damage inside the package. The by far more likely scenarios are 1) ebay ag did not assess the card correctly, or 2) you didn’t (and sgc didnt)…in either of those cases the shipping insurance has nothing to do with it…shouldn’t have paid that. Sounds like you ended up with twice money from the card which is a sign of a breakdown in the process along the way

Nothing was wrong with the card when was pulled, listed and when I shipped it. Item went in Toploader with team bag between cardboard placed in an ebay 4x8 poly bubble mailer in a USPS Priority FR box. It was damaged sometime after it left my hand by either USPS or EBAY. Again you do not like the out come tough.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by jamcas997

Nothing was wrong with the card when was pulled, listed and when I shipped it. Item went in Toploader with team bag between cardboard placed in an ebay 4x8 poly bubble mailer in a USPS Priority FR box. It was damaged sometime after it left my hand by either USPS or EBAY. Again you do not like the out come tough.

Apparently not damaged if it got an SGC 9. Reread my last post- does not make sense for that to be paid out via shipping insurance- in either of those 2 cases, shipping company had nothing to do with it. The only case that wouldn’t actually make sense is the shipping company miraculously damaged your card which would have been protected in the package, for it then to come back to you, be sent to SGC, and get a 9. Also “nothing was wrong with the card” is you saying that…people can say whatever. In any case, you making out with twice the money is a breakdown of the process. These responses are very telling though.

[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Apparently not damaged if it got an SGC 9. Reread my last post- does not make sense for that to be paid out via shipping insurance- in either of those 2 cases, shipping company had nothing to do with it. The only case that wouldn’t actually make sense is the shipping company miraculously damaged your card which would have been protected in the package, for it then to come back to you, be sent to SGC, and get a 9. Also “nothing was wrong with the card” is you saying that…people can say whatever. In any case, you making out with twice the money is a breakdown of the process. These responses are very telling though.

Again don't like it pound sand!

[DynaEtch]

Smh…when there is no response, just post that. Responses are super telling.

[Sonnys88]

Originally Posted by jamcas997

If you recall 2 years ago I did. I sold a Leaf Triple auto Relic Erving , Johnson and Bird. They claimed there was a ding in Bird relic window and the card was not NRMT. I got the card back while tthey took funds from my account and refunded the buyer. I got the card back and filed the ship cover ins as it was not damaged when I shipped it. They paid the ins. and I sent to SGC for grading getting a 9 with 10 auto. Sold the card 3 months later for $200 more than the first time so screw ebay for trying to screw me.


Just an opinion If you plan on selling any item over $150 on Ebay I would grade SGC at the minimum.

Ha!

You do realize that you're admitting to committing insurance fraud on a public forum. And you give all of the pertinent details for anyone to trace the exact insurance case back to you.

[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by Sonnys88

Ha!

You do realize that you're admitting to committing insurance fraud on a public forum. And you give all of the pertinent details for anyone to trace the exact insurance case back to you.

They said it was damaged and I filed claim!! I sent it for grade after I got settlement so I wouldnt have no whinny clowns like the two of you saying well this card is waaa waaaa waaaa I want a refund ! Got a good grade because I believe Ebays grader out of Sarasota is garbage and SGC saw it other than them. Kick rocks if you do not like the outcome!

[Sonnys88]

Originally Posted by jamcas997

They said it was damaged and I filed claim!! I sent it for grade after I got settlement so I wouldnt have no whinny clowns like the two of you saying well this card is waaa waaaa waaaa I want a refund ! Got a good grade because I believe Ebays grader out of Sarasota is garbage and SGC saw it other than them. Kick rocks if you do not like the outcome!

You are funny.

You post that the Authenticators are a joke and don't know what they're doing. Then you post that you filed an insurance claim because the card was actually damaged. So, by that logic, if the card was damaged in transit to the Authenticators - the Authenticators did their job correctly then and identified a damaged card.

Your story doesn't add up and that's why your only responses can be "kick rocks" or "pound sand".

[MavsRChamps]

WOW it happened again. Sold a card for best offer $145 (Don't know why this was sent to Ebay Authentication in 1st place) and they again found "minor issue" of "Blunt/rounded corners" - circling the 4 corners which show absolutely nothing.

I called Ebay. Someone over there is making up condition issues or damaging cards. 100%. The card was not damaged when I sent it.

Utterly ridiculous. Anyone else experiencing this?

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[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

WOW it happened again. Sold a card for best offer $145 (Don't know why this was sent to Ebay Authentication in 1st place) and they again found "minor issue" of "Blunt/rounded corners" - circling the 4 corners which show absolutely nothing.

I called Ebay. Someone over there is making up condition issues or damaging cards. 100%. The card was not damaged when I sent it.

Utterly ridiculous. Anyone else experiencing this?

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Sorry they got you again. I know you are here like me about every day and maybe you missed it. You had it listed for $250 and even if you do best offer it goes to the clown show. Again an idea just to stop the BS would be send your $250 plus listings to SGC or CGC and eliminate the clowns in the closet pulling the BS. Just a suggestion. I mean once it is Graded then the NRMT or Better or less won't matter.

[rwperu34]

One option to get around AG would be to list it for $249.99.

I had one with the same designation (rounded, blunted corners). I got the card back, lowered the condition in the item specifics, and raised the price. IMO the card was and is NM, but I'll sell it as EX. I have half a mind to lower all of my raw cards to EX.

[MavsRChamps]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

One option to get around AG would be to list it for $249.99.

I had one with the same designation (rounded, blunted corners). I got the card back, lowered the condition in the item specifics, and raised the price. IMO the card was and is NM, but I'll sell it as EX. I have half a mind to lower all of my raw cards to EX.

This is what I may do, changing to "Ex+".

What I don't understand is why this keeps happening? Why is Ebay Authenticity / Some PSA rep saying cards have "rounded, blunt corners" when they don't? Why is this person not fired? Where is the accountability for essentially making condition issues up? I mean even the picture sent with the circled corners shows obviously nothing; it just doesn't make sense how this keeps happening and how Ebay is benefiting. It is turning off not just the seller (me) but also the buyer. Noone benefits and I don't see the point.

Obviously very hesitant now to list any raw card at $250+

[CardClub2Elect]

Hi guys, looking for a little help. Trying to list a card right now for $299. I can't seem to get the authenticity guarantee to show up. It's listed as "trading card single". I do have with offers enabled but have that set to $250. Just curious if I'm missing anything in the listing. I have never listed a card over the threshold before so I'm not sure if I messed something up. I would much rather if it sells to go though authenticity.

Thanks guys!

[JeffG1954]

Originally Posted by CardClub2Elect

Hi guys, looking for a little help. Trying to list a card right now for $299. I can't seem to get the authenticity guarantee to show up. It's listed as "trading card single". I do have with offers enabled but have that set to $250. Just curious if I'm missing anything in the listing. I have never listed a card over the threshold before so I'm not sure if I messed something up. I would much rather if it sells to go though authenticity.

Thanks guys!

Sounds like you might be using one of the keywords that are not allowed in the header.

[CardClub2Elect]

Originally Posted by JeffG1954

Sounds like you might be using one of the keywords that are not allowed in the header.

Nailed it! I found a listing of the same card that had AG and compared headers. Looks like I had to spell autograph out as I only had "auto" in the listing. It's funny I was comparing it already but just the card info, didn't even think about the auto versus autograph.

Thanks a bunch!