Brock Purdy the newest QB hype

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Yeah, best value and most valuable are two different things.

Stroud is getting paid $9 million per year, Purdy less than 10% of that.

It’s like paying 89 cents for a McDonald’s cheeseburger compared to $9.49 for a shake shack bacon cheeseburger. Of course that McDonald’s cheeseburger seems like a better deal, you can buy ten of them for the price of one shake shack bacon cheeseburger, though that McDonald’s cheeseburger is skimpy, flimsy and scrawny.

Niners are riding the kids happy meal with Purdy, whereas the rest of the league is forced to overpay for that shake shack bacon cheeseburger “quality.”

[Grid]

As a rookie, Purdy got hurt in the NFC Championship game. And his team lost.

Second year in the league, his team lost in the Super Bowl.

He is the right mix of both caretaker and precisionist this team needed. On any other team, who knows. But the right place at the right time. He is more than hype by now.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Grid

As a rookie, Purdy got hurt in the NFC Championship game. And his team lost.

Second year in the league, his team lost in the Super Bowl.

He is the right mix of both caretaker and precisionist this team needed. On any other team, who knows. But the right place at the right time. He is more than hype by now.

Nope, didn't win Super Bowl, abject failure who should immediately be cut.

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Stroud is getting paid $9 million per year, Purdy less than 10% of that.

It’s like paying 89 cents for a McDonald’s cheeseburger compared to $9.49 for a shake shack bacon cheeseburger. Of course that McDonald’s cheeseburger seems like a better deal, you can buy ten of them for the price of one shake shack bacon cheeseburger, though that McDonald’s cheeseburger is skimpy, flimsy and scrawny.

Niners are riding the kids happy meal with Purdy, whereas the rest of the league is forced to overpay for that shake shack bacon cheeseburger “quality.”

What is the analogy is you used "tacos"? I am hungry now.

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

Nope, didn't win Super Bowl, abject failure who should immediately be cut.

I heard he was not good enough to get the M&M ring from the commercial.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

Nope, didn't win Super Bowl, abject failure who should immediately be cut.

Purdy should be judged as an NFL starter now, not as a Disney princess taking the league by storm.

People need to stop using the Mr. Irrelevant crutch and start comparing him to other young guns in the NFL, regardless of draft position.

That being said, no one ever said he doesn’t deserve to be in the NFL. He clearly does as he has proven it.

He will need to work extra hard, maybe unfairly, to ever be considered “an elite game influencer”.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by jjcan

What is the analogy is you used "tacos"? I am hungry now.

LOL, that’s my fault for posting before I’ve had lunch.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by rdptop20

Are you serious? I don't even like the 9ers, but Purdy played well. He's in year 2 and almost won the Super Bowl. Herbert can't say that. Neither can MVP runner-up, Dak. Allen hasn't been there. In less than 2 years, he's outdone those three and more. The same people criticism Purdy would be kissing his ring today if the 9ers won. I don't understand it.

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It seems like you're coming from the perspective that he's the last pick in the draft - and if that's the case, I agree with your comments.

But others in here were arguing that he's an MVP-caliber player, and coming from that perspective, he didn't play to that billing.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Oh you mean like Josh Allen or Lamar who also got beat back to back games by this KC D?? Elite guys like that? STOP. Give this KC D some credit (and stop the Purdy hate)

And how is he a 10-15 QB when he finished top 3 in every major QB stat/metric this season?? STOP THE INSANITY

Just to bring it back to this comment...

Sneed said the KC defensive game plan was to force Purdy to throw. What other top QBs are getting that game plan in the SB?

Mahomes? No
Allen? No
Burrow? No
Herbert? No
Lamar? Maybe (but that's more about shutting down him running, so a little different)
Rodgers? No
Stafford? No
Goff? No
Stroud? No
Dak? Maybe
Cousins? Maybe
Lawrence? Maybe
Hurts? Maybe

Based on that game plan, I'd say he's safely around that 10-15 range. And it's even worse since "forcing Purdy to throw" means engaging Deebo, Aiyuk, and Kittle — most of the other guys on this list don't have anything close this level of skill players to throw to.

And again, top 15 QB is amazing for the last pick in the draft, especially at what the 9ers are paying him.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by TSonn

It seems like you're coming from the perspective that he's the last pick in the draft - and if that's the case, I agree with your comments.

But others in here were arguing that he's an MVP-caliber player, and coming from that perspective, he didn't play to that billing.

Did Lamar Jackson really play to that caliber? Didn't stop him from winning the MVP. Purdy was by far better than Lamar in almost every QB stat/metric this season. To that end, we can say that Purdy took his team further.

To that end, we can also say Purdy deserved to be in the MVP conversation this season. If he had better overall stats than the league MVP Lamar, and took his team further, he certainly was an MVP candidate, and his stats/metrics (top 3 in every QB category) proves it.

And here's how you know the guy's legit- when he comes back and does the same thing next season

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Just to bring it back to this comment...

Sneed said the KC defensive game plan was to force Purdy to throw. What other top QBs are getting that game plan in the SB?

Mahomes? No
Allen? No
Burrow? No
Herbert? No
Lamar? Maybe (but that's more about shutting down him running, so a little different)
Rodgers? No
Stafford? No
Goff? No
Stroud? No
Dak? Maybe
Cousins? Maybe
Lawrence? Maybe
Hurts? Maybe

Based on that game plan, I'd say he's safely around that 10-15 range. And it's even worse since "forcing Purdy to throw" means engaging Deebo, Aiyuk, and Kittle — most of the other guys on this list don't have anything close this level of skill players to throw to.

And again, top 15 QB is amazing for the last pick in the draft, especially at what the 9ers are paying him.

If the alternative is a healthy dose of CMC against my comparatively weaker rush DEF, then yea, I'd force all those guys to throw too.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Just to bring it back to this comment...

Sneed said the KC defensive game plan was to force Purdy to throw. What other top QBs are getting that game plan in the SB?

Mahomes? No
Allen? No
Burrow? No
Herbert? No
Lamar? Maybe (but that's more about shutting down him running, so a little different)
Rodgers? No
Stafford? No
Goff? No
Stroud? No
Dak? Maybe
Cousins? Maybe
Lawrence? Maybe
Hurts? Maybe

Based on that game plan, I'd say he's safely around that 10-15 range. And it's even worse since "forcing Purdy to throw" means engaging Deebo, Aiyuk, and Kittle — most of the other guys on this list don't have anything close this level of skill players to throw to.

And again, top 15 QB is amazing for the last pick in the draft, especially at what the 9ers are paying him.

In this thread, Purdy barely appears in anyone’s top 10.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1579843

[MyckKabongo]

My take on Purdy is still the same as it was in October. His true talent level is on par with guys like Philip Rivers, Matt Stafford, and Matt Ryan. That's quite good! The next Tom Brady stuff was always over the top, though. It isn't likely but he could reach another level that could elevate him to a higher tier.

His situation, however, is incredible and will continue to be so as 49ers leadership is absolutely top notch. The lack of top tier QB talent in the NFC also helps.

Purely in the sense of odds to win a Super Bowl, he's in the group of guys like Allen, Jackson, and Burrow of most likely non-Mahomes guy to break through for a ring in the next 3 years.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

In this thread, Purdy barely appears in anyone’s top 10.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1579843

I know that's exactly the reason why you made that thread. A not-so-hidden agenda as it were. Ulterior motives and such.

I get you don't think Purdy is talented on his own. I don't get the consistent bashing though. I was kinda hoping with the Super Bowl done we'd start to see people posting some Purdy additions instead of this inverse-bbases energy you got.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by jplarson

I know that's exactly the reason why you made that thread. A not-so-hidden agenda as it were. Ulterior motives and such.

I get you don't think Purdy is talented on his own. I don't get the consistent bashing though. I was kinda hoping with the Super Bowl done we'd start to see people posting some Purdy additions instead of this inverse-bbases energy you got.

Perhaps that’s my stance and your paranoia speaking, I had no ulterior motives and just thought it would be a nice Saturday morning unique discussion to see how the general BO members feel. I’m not in the minority from the 8 member lists the thread has received so far.

I’ve clearly stated Purdy did not lose the Super Bowl for the niners. He performed quite well. I don’t see how that is bashing. But when you want to compare him to other QB’s who may be more talented, that’s the purpose for discussion in these threads.

It’s interesting in the other thread that Lamar and Allen are seen as top 2. There’s a lot of good viewpoints and some bad ones too, but that’s why we like to pick people’s brains here.

Nothing is personal.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by jplarson

I know that's exactly the reason why you made that thread. A not-so-hidden agenda as it were. Ulterior motives and such.

I get you don't think Purdy is talented on his own. I don't get the consistent bashing though. I was kinda hoping with the Super Bowl done we'd start to see people posting some Purdy additions instead of this inverse-bbases energy you got.

I'm probably coming across as bashing because others are still treating Purdy like an MVP player. From what we saw in the playoffs this year, with the weapons he had, that seems like bad take.

I'm all for Purdy completely outplaying his draft position and being one of the best deals at QB in the league though.

[pejc300]

Spags giving Purdy some high praise, saying he didn't expect him to be so effective against the zone and they had to make a big adjustment because of that

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

In this thread, Purdy barely appears in anyone’s top 10.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1579843

The biggest piece of Purdy's value is his contract. When you remove that factor and the talent around him and ask people to start ranking him, that value drops.

It's easy to make the argument that, with current contracts, Purdy and his million dollar salary might be a better value than Dak and his $50 million salary. But eliminate that portion and Dak finished higher than Purdy in a decent chunk of the stats everyone here has cited for Purdy this year.

Let me ask this question in response to Asian's question: If a team had the option to replace their current QB (or QB that would be their starter, so use Kirk for Minnesota) with Brock Purdy, but had to pay Purdy the same salary as their current QB, how many teams are choosing Purdy for the 2024 season only?

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by jplarson

I don't get the consistent bashing though

I didn't see a lot of outright bashing in this thread but no shortage of folks fairly questioning his ultimate talent based on x, y, and z.

Some folks simply cannot handle any constructive criticism. They are unwilling to consider different perspectives and/or they don't want any pause in the obnoxious pump it up narrative. I don't recall ever seeing it like with Purdy. There's probably a lot of people quietly celebrating his Super Bowl demise.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I'm probably coming across as bashing because others are still treating Purdy like an MVP player. From what we saw in the playoffs this year, with the weapons he had, that seems like bad take.

I'm all for Purdy completely outplaying his draft position and being one of the best deals at QB in the league though.

Nah you're good, you haven't made 400+ posts saying the same thing over and over again, pretending to have good faith discussion. You also have well reasoned takes.

Ultimately I feel bad for actual fans of Brock Purdy and 49er fans. Thread has gone from one cesspool agitator to another.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

My take on Purdy is still the same as it was in October. His true talent level is on par with guys like Philip Rivers, Matt Stafford, and Matt Ryan. That's quite good! The next Tom Brady stuff was always over the top, though. It isn't likely but he could reach another level that could elevate him to a higher tier.

His situation, however, is incredible and will continue to be so as 49ers leadership is absolutely top notch. The lack of top tier QB talent in the NFC also helps.

Purely in the sense of odds to win a Super Bowl, he's in the group of guys like Allen, Jackson, and Burrow of most likely non-Mahomes guy to break through for a ring in the next 3 years.

I don't think it's fair to ever call a QB 'the next Brady' or 'the next Mahomes' You can't even compare them to those guys until they get close to accomplishing what those guys have- they are 2 of the GOATS

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by whitmm

The biggest piece of Purdy's value is his contract. When you remove that factor and the talent around him and ask people to start ranking him, that value drops.

It's easy to make the argument that, with current contracts, Purdy and his million dollar salary might be a better value than Dak and his $50 million salary. But eliminate that portion and Dak finished higher than Purdy in a decent chunk of the stats everyone here has cited for Purdy this year.

Let me ask this question in response to Asian's question: If a team had the option to replace their current QB (or QB that would be their starter, so use Kirk for Minnesota) with Brock Purdy, but had to pay Purdy the same salary as their current QB, how many teams are choosing Purdy for the 2024 season only?

I'd probably take Purdy over Sam Howell, Mac Jones, Geno Smith, Aiden O'Connell, Kenny Pickett, Ridder, Will Levis, Dan Jones.

And yes, 100% his salary is what makes Purdy so valuable. Look at the Broncos. Russell Wilson can still play, but Denver probably cuts him. If Russ were making $900K? I guarantee you Denver keeps him. But he's making like $40M.

If Purdy is making $40M we're not having this conversation and he's no longer the most "valuable" player.

In 2024 he'll make less than 2% of what Dak makes. That's mind boggling. Think of the upgrades the Cowboys can make in all three phases with an extra $50M+ in cap space. I haven't looked this up, but I'd venture to say even most/all 2nd-stringers make more money than Purdy. I mean, Mitch Trubisky made like $6-7M this past season.

If all salaries were equal (if that's even possible with systems being so important), obviously way less teams would consider Purdy because the NFL drools over talent and potential. Two years ago, no NFL team thought he would be a bona fide starter on a SB-contending team so even the paid professionals can't tell all the time.

The skills that will carry over to almost any system are his ability to read/process very quickly, his ability to limit mistakes/not compound mistakes, and he has the respect of his teammates as a leader. Downsides are he doesn't have the prototypical size and arm strength.

But the whole reason he's valuable is his salary because we live in a salary capped NFL world. If you look at production /salary ratio, is anyone even close to him? If we measured it in a graph, he would be the dot all by his lonesome.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I'd probably take Purdy over Sam Howell, Mac Jones, Geno Smith, Aiden O'Connell, Kenny Pickett, Ridder, Will Levis, Dan Jones.

And yes, 100% his salary is what makes Purdy so valuable. Look at the Broncos. Russell Wilson can still play, but Denver probably cuts him. If Russ were making $900K? I guarantee you Denver keeps him. But he's making like $40M.

If Purdy is making $40M we're not having this conversation and he's no longer the most "valuable" player.

In 2024 he'll make less than 2% of what Dak makes. That's mind boggling. Think of the upgrades the Cowboys can make in all three phases with an extra $50M+ in cap space. I haven't looked this up, but I'd venture to say even most/all 2nd-stringers make more money than Purdy. I mean, Mitch Trubisky made like $6-7M this past season.

If all salaries were equal (if that's even possible with systems being so important), obviously way less teams would consider Purdy because the NFL drools over talent and potential. Two years ago, no NFL team thought he would be a bona fide starter on a SB-contending team so even the paid professionals can't tell all the time.

The skills that will carry over to almost any system are his ability to read/process very quickly, his ability to limit mistakes/not compound mistakes, and he has the respect of his teammates as a leader. Downsides are he doesn't have the prototypical size and arm strength.

But the whole reason he's valuable is his salary because we live in a salary capped NFL world. If you look at production /salary ratio, is anyone even close to him? If we measured it in a graph, he would be the dot all by his lonesome.

For these reasons, teams will be looking for the 'Next Brock Purdy' someone that can play great football and win, all while resetting the rookie contract.

There are teams that may be interested soon in doing just that. Some could include:

The Vikings- 36 year old Cousins, who was already slow, coming off an Achilles

Broncos- Russell Wilson clearly not sticking around in Mile High

Saints- They have some good young players, imagine if they could what Carr gives them, or more- at a fraction of the cost

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I'd probably take Purdy over Sam Howell, Mac Jones, Geno Smith, Aiden O'Connell, Kenny Pickett, Ridder, Will Levis, Dan Jones.

And yes, 100% his salary is what makes Purdy so valuable. Look at the Broncos. Russell Wilson can still play, but Denver probably cuts him. If Russ were making $900K? I guarantee you Denver keeps him. But he's making like $40M.

If Purdy is making $40M we're not having this conversation and he's no longer the most "valuable" player.

In 2024 he'll make less than 2% of what Dak makes. That's mind boggling. Think of the upgrades the Cowboys can make in all three phases with an extra $50M+ in cap space. I haven't looked this up, but I'd venture to say even most/all 2nd-stringers make more money than Purdy. I mean, Mitch Trubisky made like $6-7M this past season.

If all salaries were equal (if that's even possible with systems being so important), obviously way less teams would consider Purdy because the NFL drools over talent and potential. Two years ago, no NFL team thought he would be a bona fide starter on a SB-contending team so even the paid professionals can't tell all the time.

The skills that will carry over to almost any system are his ability to read/process very quickly, his ability to limit mistakes/not compound mistakes, and he has the respect of his teammates as a leader. Downsides are he doesn't have the prototypical size and arm strength.

But the whole reason he's valuable is his salary because we live in a salary capped NFL world. If you look at production /salary ratio, is anyone even close to him? If we measured it in a graph, he would be the dot all by his lonesome.

One of those teams you listed above is most likely going to be starting Wilson in 2024 and paying him Purdy money.

The difference here is you understand that a very large part of Purdy's value is tied directly to his contract. There's other people here that are acting like he is a top 5 QB regardless of contract status.

I agree with you that Purdy most likely has the best value per dollar. I don't agree with saying that Purdy is the most valuable person in the league. And yes, those are two different things.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by whitmm

One of those teams you listed above is most likely going to be starting Wilson in 2024 and paying him Purdy money.

The difference here is you understand that a very large part of Purdy's value is tied directly to his contract. There's other people here that are acting like he is a top 5 QB regardless of contract status.

I agree with you that Purdy most likely has the best value per dollar. I don't agree with saying that Purdy is the most valuable person in the league. And yes, those are two different things.

So here are the 4 players that are in limbo that can affect the draft- depending on where they go- Mayfield, Cousins, Wilson, Fields

1- I assume that the Bucs will re-sign Baker Mayfield (2 years from now when the coaching staff is gone as is Baker they will regret re-signing him and putting off the inevitable)

2- Cousins- Does he stay in Minnesota, or go to the Falcons, Pats? If he leaves then Vikings need a QB. Maybe he stays, and Vikes still grab a developmental QB like JJ McCarthy to sit for a year

3- Russell Wilson- He does not look great in some portions of his game. He took a lot of sacks and negative plays last season. Maybe he goes to a team like the Falcons loaded with weapons and he can be productive, or a run first team. Assuming he goes, the Broncos are in need of a QB


4- Fields via trade

These are the QBs that either need a QB this season, or will likely need one next season at the latest

Commanders/Pats/Giants/Falcons/Broncos/Vikings/Raiders/Saints/Seahawks

Those are 9 teams with needs for QB- with stop gaps or under achievers, or short term contract guys that will be in place this season. That is a lot of QB needy teams. Do they all sign free agents this season? Draft someone? Trade for someone? (Carr and Geno Smith are not long for this world on their current teams)


I'd also add that by the 25 season, the Jets and Browns may need QBs. Let's face it, Aaron is no spring chicken and coming off an Achilles , and they don't have his heir on that roster currently. Also, DeShaun Watson is a bust- let's call it like it is- that will go down as the worst trade in the history of the NFL, and by the end next season, they will be trying to figure out how to fix it

The QB landscape will look a lot different after the next 2 seasons

My point of everything above- do you really want to roll with a Russell Wilson or Jacoby Brisett, or someone like that, or would you rather rip the bandaid off and start building your future?