2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Normally I don't respond to you because I don't want you to feel attacked but in this instance, I'm going to make an exception.

No such policy exists. Perhaps you're confusing it with creating a special set of rights for this group; but not a single freedom or right has been stripped in this administration. Not a single one.

https://transequality.org/the-discri...administration



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[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's funny. One poster on here is saying that going to church infringes on public safety so the right to assemble should be stripped.

I've got another poster in here cheering the removal of speech from YouTube because it's ideas he doesn't like.

These are actual, real rights. And yet, the argument is that somehow, Trump is stripping rights by not allowing some people to join the military. Do you people hear yourselves? Do you understand what it is you are saying and what it is you are trying to convey? Shutting people up and locking them inside is totally OK, but how dare you stop a transgender person from joining the military!!!!

Dear Lord, I need strength today. All you can provide please.

You’re on point with freedom of assembly but not with the freedom of speech example.

And while Trump did not strip the rights of anyone with not allowing transgender people to join the military, the policy does prevent people who could otherwise qualify from joining. In the meantime, the military continues to allow people who are not, or should not be, qualified to join.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Normally I don't respond to you because I don't want you to feel attacked but in this instance, I'm going to make an exception.

No such policy exists. Perhaps you're confusing it with creating a special set of rights for this group; but not a single freedom or right has been stripped in this administration. Not a single one.

Lol don't worry, I've never smashed a triangle in this thread and I doubt I ever will.

I've only ever hit a triangle once, and that was when a new member posted porn.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

You’re on point with freedom of assembly but not with the freedom of speech example.

And while Trump did not strip the rights of anyone with not allowing transgender people to join the military, the policy does prevent people who could otherwise qualify from joining. In the meantime, the military continues to allow people who are not, or should not be, qualified to join.

My point is not to say the Government is trying to stop the freedom of speech; but that what once was a discussion on not allowing "hate speech" on private platforms has quickly turned into "any speech we choose to censor". We're drifting away from freedom everyday; and getting closer to authoritarianism; we're just doing it in a Capitalist way and not a Communist way.

As it related to the US military; the military has always banned certain groups of people for all kinds of reasons. This is not new and as you note, there are probably others that should be included. But that is nothing close to "having rights and freedoms removed" as Heel and Rachel would have you believe.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Lol don't worry, I've never smashed a triangle in this thread and I doubt I ever will.

I've only ever hit a triangle once, and that was when a new member posted porn.

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what kind of porn?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by cnewby

what kind of porn?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Really? A private company in a capitalistic society taking down false information created to divide the United States even more is....Nazism?



Nazis didn't want certain people to have rights and freedoms.....you know, like many of Trump's policies. Remember, he surrounds himself with only the best people like Stephen Miller and Sebastian Gorka.



Right.



January 20, 2020 cannot come soon enough.

The problem lies in who gets to determine what's false and what's true?
I'm guessing you had no problem with Adam Schiff and his nonstop BS he spewed for months and months.


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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's funny. One poster on here is saying that going to church infringes on public safety so the right to assemble should be stripped.

I've got another poster in here cheering the removal of speech from YouTube because it's ideas he doesn't like.

These are actual, real rights. And yet, the argument is that somehow, Trump is stripping rights by not allowing some people to join the military. Do you people hear yourselves? Do you understand what it is you are saying and what it is you are trying to convey? Shutting people up and locking them inside is totally OK, but how dare you stop a transgender person from joining the military!!!!

Dear Lord, I need strength today. All you can provide please.

More scary than funny in my opinion.
Funny is the fact that they don't even realize what they're asking for.

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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I see four dudes and two cantaloupes.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by cnewby

what kind of porn?

Well, if it was the good kind, I wouldn't have cared.

Haha. Seriously though, it was probably a year ago in a different thread. This thread has a warning. I feel like if a person can't take the heat in here, they shouldn't be here. Obviously there are limits, but I haven't seen them crossed yet, in my humble opinion.

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[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's funny. One poster on here is saying that going to church infringes on public safety so the right to assemble should be stripped.

I've got another poster in here cheering the removal of speech from YouTube because it's ideas he doesn't like.

These are actual, real rights. And yet, the argument is that somehow, Trump is stripping rights by not allowing some people to join the military. Do you people hear yourselves? Do you understand what it is you are saying and what it is you are trying to convey? Shutting people up and locking them inside is totally OK, but how dare you stop a transgender person from joining the military!!!!

Dear Lord, I need strength today. All you can provide please.

Where in the constitution does it say you have a right to post whatever you want on youtube? Where is this right to freely spread an infectious disease. I know all we do is cherry pick arguments in here but I just hope you understand that you're no different.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

My point is not to say the Government is trying to stop the freedom of speech; but that what once was a discussion on not allowing "hate speech" on private platforms has quickly turned into "any speech we choose to censor". We're drifting away from freedom everyday; and getting closer to authoritarianism; we're just doing it in a Capitalist way and not a Communist way.

As it related to the US military; the military has always banned certain groups of people for all kinds of reasons. This is not new and as you note, there are probably others that should be included. But that is nothing close to "having rights and freedoms removed" as Heel and Rachel would have you believe.

I wouldn't have anyone believe anything in regards to the military policies. I am generally ignorant about them, as I haven't taken the time to inspect those policies.

I would put forth that Trump Administration policies have been discriminatory towards certain groups, largely LGBTQ, in many ways. NC seems to think that's okay as long as Trump isn't taking away "rights". Umm, Trump does not have the authority to take away rights. He can, however, enact policies that limit freedoms and discriminate. That is what he has done in many cases.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

My point is not to say the Government is trying to stop the freedom of speech; but that what once was a discussion on not allowing "hate speech" on private platforms has quickly turned into "any speech we choose to censor". We're drifting away from freedom everyday; and getting closer to authoritarianism; we're just doing it in a Capitalist way and not a Communist way.

As it related to the US military; the military has always banned certain groups of people for all kinds of reasons. This is not new and as you note, there are probably others that should be included. But that is nothing close to "having rights and freedoms removed" as Heel and Rachel would have you believe.

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Where in the constitution does it say you have a right to post whatever you want on youtube? Where is this right to freely spread an infectious disease. I know all we do is cherry pick arguments in here but I just hope you understand that you're no different.

Please read.

As it relates to your infectious disease comment, I just want to go to church. First amendment. Google "Bill of Rights"

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I've fallen into the conservative category in this thread and don't really fight it, although I consider myself more of a libertarian than anything. Religion is one area where I deviate from most conservatives. I'm 0% religious. I don't believe in spirits, afterlife, a creator, or anything of the like. I don't have any alternative theories, but also don't feel I need one. I'm comfortable living with unknowns, and if sufficient evidence of something is provided (whatever the context), then I consider it.



Anyway, is there really a problem with religion and government at this point? While I agree that the two should be separate, where do religion and government mix today in a way that needs to be corrected?

I'm with you 100%. Conservative but not religious at all. I am fine with those that hold those beliefs though. Whatever helps people deal with life whether its budda or mythology i don't care. I don't see a current problem with religion in government either. Very little mention of God in government or schools and I am fine with that.

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[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Dripping w/ condescension.



Your belief that people who have faith are "less than" as it relates to a lockdown hierarchy is insulting. And it's exactly why creating religious exemptions is crucial for state and federal driven policy; so people like you do not exert control over others.

Nailed it!

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Please read.

As it relates to your infectious disease comment, I just want to go to church. First amendment. Google "Bill of Rights"

No right is absolute. We know this.

Free speech isn't allowed if it hurts people. Why would freedom to assemble be any different?

Your right to assemble in church does not outweigh your community's right to limit Covid transmission.

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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Your right to assemble in church does not outweigh your community's right to limit Covid transmission.

Can a limitation of rights be a right itself? Ima say no.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

No right is absolute. We know this.

Free speech isn't allowed if it hurts people. Why would freedom to assemble be any different?

Your right to assemble in church does not outweigh your community's right to limit Covid transmission.

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There is no such thing. You keep conflating rights, which the country has granted to all individuals with "things you want or wish".

[preakness]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

no way is this real

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by preakness

no way is this real

It's real.

And it's spectacular.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

No right is absolute. We know this.

Free speech isn't allowed if it hurts people. Why would freedom to assemble be any different?

Your right to assemble in church does not outweigh your community's right to limit Covid transmission.

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Once again, who decides what hurts people?
Protesting = no problem social justice warrioring good for everyone. Going to church not ok?
And one more time, who decides what's going to hurt people?
Walmart with tons of employees and customers = open with no concerns of people getting sick.
Joe blow who owns a small hardware store = nope, not safe shut it down?

[preakness]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I see four dudes and two cantaloupes.

for sure three dudes

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

There is no such thing. You keep conflating rights, which the country has granted to all individuals with "things you want or wish".

Don't worry her guy ham sammich is about to add that amendment.

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[preakness]

Originally Posted by chezball

aoc will be long gone by then. Eric won't be running against pompeo.

if AOC isn't still in the news in 2028 this country will be lost