2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Horrific, horrific act I tell you!!

while i get a chuckle from people that fly those flags, I think so many people support BLM blindly without knowing how truly evil their organization is. I still cannot condone destruction or vandalism. As long as its not a flag with your face or likeness on it or something actually harmful. I find it just as lame and pathetic as taking down civil war statues. Freedom of speech, and protection of personal property. Actually pretty ashamed that people from our side are stooping to that level...we are better than that.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by burke23

Are you kidding me? Transition was delayed by weeks to start, and started begrudgingly. Members of Congress are signing on to try and overturn the election results. How does this help at all? Do you think Trump going out kicking, screaming, and calling fraud is good for a divided country? I mean - I know you don’t believe words hurt but I also believe you are too smart to be that obtuse. There are a vast number of folks that take his word as gospel, and he is using that to sow discontent and distrust in our government and the next administration. I find that irresponsible.

You mean like fake allegations of Putin collusion and Russian hookers?

[chezball]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Okay - what server now? Hillary's? CIA/German server? An Applebees server?

The server from Germany. You know the one that china news network told you doesn't exist.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by burke23

And you completely ignore the optics of impact thereof with Trump and other republicans denying the validity of the results. You really feel that doesn’t matter?

You keep saying that, but you haven't told anyone why it matters.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by burke23

And you completely ignore the optics of impact thereof with Trump and other republicans denying the validity of the results. You really feel that doesn’t matter? Something tells me this impact will echo for election cycles to come. Not great no matter your political beliefs.

Burke, you use the words optics and feel and echo ... these are not words that would describe real danger. As I've stated to others in this thread, if you want me to believe something is dangerous, you have got to tell me what the danger is.

I know a lot of words and feelings have gone into promoting the idea that what Donald Trump and republicans have done during the last six weeks is a threat to democracy and is dangerous but I have yet to see anyone actually inform me on what that danger is and what their actions will lead to.

You may not realize this but everything is going according to plan. We had the election, the votes were cast, they were counted and in a couple of instances, recounted because the totals were very close. States certified, electors were chosen, safe harbor date passed and electors voted. Donald Trump and his team was allowed a chance to present evidence that would change this process and he could not do so. So it continues.

Everything else doesn't matter. U can sink your mind into the idea that danger is coming and the boogeyman is not far away or you can rid yourself of that notion, understand that people are simply blowing off steam and being morons with no real threat to anything and know that this country has been around 240 years and has seen it all. To believe that Donald Trump can break the United States in the way many suggest would mean this was one hell of a #*!# country to begin win. And that's simply not true.

So have a smoke or a drink. Relax. All is well.

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I make no distinction between throwing a brick through a window and taking a banner off a church and burning it. The consequence may not be the same lost $$ or inability to open because of damage but it's property destruction and it should not be OK.

March in the streets, stand for your rights and your cause, but keep your hands off my stuff. Same for everyone.

You're right but to equate this to the destruction from the left is laughable.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by Timmay

You're right but to equate this to the destruction from the left is laughable.

you're correct, its not even close. But two wrongs don't make a right. Begins a slippery slope, I think anyone who engages in destruction of property/or physical harm of others needs to be dealt with by the police, either side...doesn't matter.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by chezball

The server from Germany. You know the one that china news network told you doesn't exist.

We went over that the other week I thought.

I am pretty sure I shared this link:
This retired three-star falsely claims US soldiers died attacking a CIA facility in Germany tied to election fraud

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...lection-fraud/

Here is another one I found:
U.S. Special Forces did not raid CIA facility in Germany for server

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9804845446

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

you're correct, its not even close. But two wrongs don't make a right. Begins a slippery slope, I think anyone who engages of destruction of property/or physical harm of others needs to be dealt with by the police.

Like I said...those who hate others because they are different and those who riot/loot are thugs.

[TheHeel]

Yes, Chezzy...we went over this.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...ostcount=66149

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Like I said...those who hate others because they are different and those who riot/loot are thugs.

correct, and actually you quoted before my edit. i did go back and say either side, doesn't matter. There's just a certain narrative that the hate/racism only comes from one side or color....that can't be further from the truth, i'd argue its actually pretty equal, and to deny it is just absurd.

not saying you are, just saying the narrative of race is general.

[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by chezball

TDS is strong with that one. Lots of news coming out and none of it is good for nursing home joe. Start at who just got hired when barr goes.
Do all these moves look like someone who is leaving office.
Popcorn or binky, your choice.

You're a joke. Your conspiracies end in 6 weeks.

What it looks like is someone trying to make the next administration's job harder by removing subject matter experts for loyalists that can help try to sabotage Biden or resist his policies. So it looks exactly like what we'd expect from a vindictive, POS, sore loser like 45.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

correct, and actually you quoted before my edit. i did go back and say either side, doesn't matter. There's just a certain narrative that the hate/racism only comes from one side or color....that can't be further from the truth, i'd argue its actually pretty equal, and to deny it is just absurd.

not saying you are, just saying the narrative of race is general.

I agree on all points except the 'pretty equal' part.

[burke23]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Burke, you use the words optics and feel and echo ... these are not words that would describe real danger. As I've stated to others in this thread, if you want me to believe something is dangerous, you have got to tell me what the danger is.

I know a lot of words and feelings have gone into promoting the idea that what Donald Trump and republicans have done during the last six weeks is a threat to democracy and is dangerous but I have yet to see anyone actually inform me on what that danger is and what their actions will lead to.

You may not realize this but everything is going according to plan. We had the election, the votes were cast, they were counted and in a couple of instances, recounted because the totals were very close. States certified, electors were chosen, safe harbor date passed and electors voted. Donald Trump and his team was allowed a chance to present evidence that would change this process and he could not do so. So it continues.

Everything else doesn't matter. U can sink your mind into the idea that danger is coming and the boogeyman is not far away or you can rid yourself of that notion, understand that people are simply blowing off steam and being morons with no real threat to anything and know that this country has been around 240 years and has seen it all. To believe that Donald Trump can break the United States in the way many suggest would mean this was one hell of a #*!# country to begin win. And that's simply not true.

So have a smoke or a drink. Relax. All is well.

I did explain if you didn’t notice. I just think Trumps behavior and others is driving a distrust in our democratic process and will serve to some (politicians and electorate alike) to invalidate future elections they don’t like the results of. Is that not enough? I’m sorry if that doesn’t result the physical manifestation you seem to be seeking, but it’s a real thing regardless.

I believe the transition will come regardless despite all of the pathetic attempts to stop it. I just believe it will come at unnecessary costs to the cohesiveness of an increasingly divided country.

[Chris Lyle]

So serious question and maybe I missed it, but what do we make of the audit of the Dominion machines having a 65.08% error rate? Or doesn't it matter now?

[chezball]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

We went over that the other week I thought.

I am pretty sure I shared this link:
This retired three-star falsely claims US soldiers died attacking a CIA facility in Germany tied to election fraud

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...lection-fraud/

Here is another one I found:
U.S. Special Forces did not raid CIA facility in Germany for server

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9804845446

So you believe those stories, feel for you bro.So again what are you going to say when the servers are produced?

[yanksfan1]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So serious question and maybe I missed it, but what do we make of the audit of the Dominion machines having a 65.08% error rate? Or doesn't it matter now?

Source?

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I agree on all points except the 'pretty equal' part.

well.. agree to disagree i guess. But yes unacceptable on both sides of the fence.

[yanksfan1]

So is everyone on board now with universal hand-marked paper ballots instead of electronic machines in some places? Democrats have been pushing for this for years.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So serious question and maybe I missed it, but what do we make of the audit of the Dominion machines having a 65.08% error rate? Or doesn't it matter now?

Doesn't matter if you're a dim, no facts matter.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

while i get a chuckle from people that fly those flags, I think so many people support BLM blindly without knowing how truly evil their organization is. I still cannot condone destruction or vandalism. As long as its not a flag with your face or likeness on it or something actually harmful. I find it just as lame and pathetic as taking down civil war statues. Freedom of speech, and protection of personal property. Actually pretty ashamed that people from our side are stooping to that level...we are better than that.

Clearly not all of you.



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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by chezball

The server from Germany. You know the one that china news network told you doesn't exist.

There are plenty of servers from Germany that actually do exist. Well done, sir.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Burke, you use the words optics and feel and echo ... these are not words that would describe real danger. As I've stated to others in this thread, if you want me to believe something is dangerous, you have got to tell me what the danger is.

I know a lot of words and feelings have gone into promoting the idea that what Donald Trump and republicans have done during the last six weeks is a threat to democracy and is dangerous but I have yet to see anyone actually inform me on what that danger is and what their actions will lead to.

You may not realize this but everything is going according to plan. We had the election, the votes were cast, they were counted and in a couple of instances, recounted because the totals were very close. States certified, electors were chosen, safe harbor date passed and electors voted. Donald Trump and his team was allowed a chance to present evidence that would change this process and he could not do so. So it continues.

Everything else doesn't matter. U can sink your mind into the idea that danger is coming and the boogeyman is not far away or you can rid yourself of that notion, understand that people are simply blowing off steam and being morons with no real threat to anything and know that this country has been around 240 years and has seen it all. To believe that Donald Trump can break the United States in the way many suggest would mean this was one hell of a #*!# country to begin win. And that's simply not true.

So have a smoke or a drink. Relax. All is well.

Soooo...no harm, no foul? Interesting.

Does that apply to the impeachment as well? Just asking.

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[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So serious question and maybe I missed it, but what do we make of the audit of the Dominion machines having a 65.08% error rate? Or doesn't it matter now?

Lmfao! This is just an endless stream of unsourced, unsubstantiated, conspiracy nonsense from you guys. You just make the case over and over for the ills and dangers of combining free speech and an unregulated internet. A walking, talking example of how misinformation is believed and spread throughout our society. Just walking into the weaponized disinformation over and over again, never learning, just being gullible, uneducated American targets so easily utilized by enemies of the state. An idiot assembly line.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by burke23

I did explain if you didn’t notice. I just think Trumps behavior and others is driving a distrust in our democratic process and will serve to some (politicians and electorate alike) to invalidate future elections they don’t like the results of. Is that not enough? I’m sorry if that doesn’t result the physical manifestation you seem to be seeking, but it’s a real thing regardless.

I believe the transition will come regardless despite all of the pathetic attempts to stop it. I just believe it will come at unnecessary costs to the cohesiveness of an increasingly divided country.

The opinion that Trump is sewing distrust in the election is short-sighted though. Just four years ago at this very same time, it was the Democratic party who said the election was rigged. 70% of Dems said the election was stolen, with the help of Russia. Did that sow distrust in Democracy? Did that matter?

The answer to that is also no. It's just the losing team being big babies. That's literally all it is because four years after all of that nonsense, we had another election and now those very same people who said the election was rigged, say the election process is fair and awesome! Imagine that; when you win, you love it and when you lose, you cry.

The feeling of "costs" you mention a lot of people have has nothing to do with Democracy or elections or real fear. It has more to do w/ people simply being told something matters that they would otherwise not care about; and getting it drilled into their mind that they should feel. And they do. Just like your example to the transition of power; I have not seen a single instance of Joe Biden saying he is being hampered in any way, I see nothing that suggests the short delay matters at all to him or his team; yet it was front page, Red Alert, Defcon 1 chatter for a good week and everyone lost their minds.