Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC - Page 28

pete2345 · 12-25-2019, 02:12 PM

Agree with the masses here on BO or you will be shamed. Nothing new here.

pip · 12-25-2019, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

If they're admissible then yes they would be in the smoking gun category. I don't suppose you'd care to share what you're referring to?

I don't have any advance knowledge of any recordings but I'm aware that many of the card doctors have talked openly about some of the things they have done and certain PSA employees have also revealed a lot in conversations either with me or others. I would think this would be one of the easiest ways for the FBI to collect evidence. People in the hobby like to talk.

pspa123 · 12-25-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

I don't have any advance knowledge of any recordings but I'm aware that many of the card doctors have talked openly about some of the things they have done and certain PSA employees have also revealed a lot in conversations either with me or others. I would think this would be one of the easiest ways for the FBI to collect evidence. People in the hobby like to talk.

PSA employees have admitted knowingly slabbing altered cards?

itradeerrors · 12-25-2019, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pete2345

Agree with the masses here on BO or you will be shamed. Nothing new here.

Just be happy that is all that happens. I am on another forum that the scammers WAY outnumber the good people. They straight up attack you when you call one of them out and the forum owner sticks up for them.

pspa123 · 12-25-2019, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by itradeerrors

Just be happy that is all that happens. I am on another forum that the scammers WAY outnumber the good people. They straight up attack you when you call one of them out and the forum owner sticks up for them.

That doesn't sound like a good forum, whatever it may be.

pip · 12-25-2019, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

PSA employees have admitted knowingly slabbing altered cards?

Not to me, no.

pspa123 · 12-25-2019, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

Not to me, no.

As you of course know there's no shortage of rumor and hearsay in this hobby, and tons of it has always been around, and in addition to that I think there's enough evidence at this point to support a plausible inference that more than mere incompetence is involved. But whether one gets to the level of admissible, compelling evidence against Joe or even Reza the head grader (or the equivalent personnel at other TPGs) is another matter.

itradeerrors · 12-25-2019, 03:07 PM

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That doesn't sound like a good forum, whatever it may be.

There is a lot of humor on that forum. You just have to be able to laugh at sheeple.

Sad part is A LOT of great people have been chased away over the years that don't post anymore.

rebbrooks · 12-25-2019, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

I don't have any advance knowledge of any recordings but I'm aware that many of the card doctors have talked openly about some of the things they have done and certain PSA employees have also revealed a lot in conversations either with me or others. I would think this would be one of the easiest ways for the FBI to collect evidence. People in the hobby like to talk.

What have certain PSA employees revealed to you?

pip · 12-25-2019, 03:27 PM

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What have certain PSA employees revealed to you?

That a clear system of favoritism exists.

pspa123 · 12-25-2019, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

That a clear system of favoritism exists.

Animal Farm!!

Stifle · 12-25-2019, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by signed79

Someone who cheats off the field is likely to do so on the field.

All the owners colluded in 1918 and once again in the 80's. The people who ended up being forgiven were the owners from 1918 but the 8 players from 1919 were not. How many of the owners / GM's were inducted into the HOF from the Collussion scandal in the 80's compared to those who were doing roids?

It's a clear case of hypocracy and downgrading one groups cheating of the game vs the other groups.

Even front office GM's like Pat Gillick and John Schuerholtz "spelling probably wrong" had to be aware because these guys were extremely intelligent and knew how the process worked. For it to go backwards, even these guys were aware they were in on it.

JMANIA · 12-25-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chezball

This is all you need to know.

Rule #14: Blowoutcards reserves the right to remove posting privileges by any member at any time at its own discretion. If you have any question regarding the rules or any application thereof, please PM one of the admins or mods regarding the matter.

Exactly discretionary as I noted. In my view, there was no reason not to ban him at the end of the thread. More posts by him that he cannot respond to the accusations would only hurt him. I would have let him go.

pip · 12-25-2019, 06:16 PM

I think from the perspective of the moderators, Evan was just writing nonsense and contributing absolutely nothing. His presence here was likely viewed as a net liability. I suspect there were other issues as well, including interaction with one or more moderators.

chezball · 12-25-2019, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JMANIA

Exactly discretionary as I noted. In my view, there was no reason not to ban him at the end of the thread. More posts by him that he cannot respond to the accusations would only hurt him. I would have let him go.

Did you even you read his posts? Not one of them did he try to defend the accusations against him. Keeping him around would not have made any difference.

pspa123 · 12-25-2019, 06:34 PM

Unless I missed it, he has not responded on 54, where this thread was cross-posted or referenced and he remains a member.

itradeerrors · 12-25-2019, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

Unless I missed it, he has not responded on 54, where this thread was cross-posted or referenced and he remains a member.

He is probably debating on buying a banner ad first. That way he can post anything he wants and anybody that does not agree with him will get threatened with the ban hammer.

I hear that kind of stuff happens on that forum.

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all that are trying to help rid this great hobby of the scammers.

pip · 12-25-2019, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by itradeerrors

He is probably debating on buying a banner ad first. That way he can post anything he wants and anybody that does not agree with him will get threatened with the ban hammer.

I hear that kind of stuff happens on that forum.

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all that are trying to help rid this great hobby of the scammers.

Yes. That about sums things up. Buying a banner ad gets you loads of situational ethics thrown in for free.

superdan49 · 12-25-2019, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pete2345

Agree with the masses here on BO or you will be shamed. Nothing new here.

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JMANIA · 12-25-2019, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chezball

Did you even you read his posts? Not one of them did he try to defend the accusations against him. Keeping him around would not have made any difference.

Thank you for the insulting question. I read them. My opinion is what it is. I would have posted some questions myself and see if he responded but he was already banned.

signed79 · 12-25-2019, 09:42 PM

My guess is he was banned for having a fake account. He made a fake trolling account using 312's username - someone who likes to make multiple accounts probably has/had a few here.

3124508 on COMC · 12-25-2019, 10:13 PM

Nice gain here. Comes with PWCC's "highest recommendations".

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https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...kie-1877709203
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1580480

unclemonkey · 12-25-2019, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JMANIA

Thank you for the insulting question. I read them. My opinion is what it is. I would have posted some questions myself and see if he responded but he was already banned.

Seriously, you can always try Twitter...

JMANIA · 12-25-2019, 10:51 PM

That Bradshaw leads me to believe PSA was not even looking at his cards and grading all of them. Well I wonder if Mathis has a reserve fund set aside for the buybacks. He was better off being honest and using his prowess to get those favorable bumps and grades he got.

ninjacookies · 12-25-2019, 11:04 PM

Salt of the earth.

I think you guys are overlooking the very real possibility that someone broke into his house, has been taking secret residence in his basement, and been trimming all of his cards in his sleep before they're sent out for grading.

I own 3 Evan Mathis rc's (all of which show him smiling), and am a fairly good judge of character.

I'm pretty certain he wouldn't do something this fraudulent.

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12-25-2019, 02:12 PM	#676
pete2345 Banned Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Birthplace of Michael Jordan home of biggie smalls! Posts: 4,125	Agree with the masses here on BO or you will be shamed. Nothing new here.

12-25-2019, 06:16 PM	#689
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	I think from the perspective of the moderators, Evan was just writing nonsense and contributing absolutely nothing. His presence here was likely viewed as a net liability. I suspect there were other issues as well, including interaction with one or more moderators.

12-25-2019, 06:34 PM	#691
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,758	Unless I missed it, he has not responded on 54, where this thread was cross-posted or referenced and he remains a member.

12-25-2019, 09:42 PM	#696
signed79 Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: USA Posts: 513	My guess is he was banned for having a fake account. He made a fake trolling account using 312's username - someone who likes to make multiple accounts probably has/had a few here.

12-25-2019, 10:51 PM	#699
JMANIA Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 539	That Bradshaw leads me to believe PSA was not even looking at his cards and grading all of them. Well I wonder if Mathis has a reserve fund set aside for the buybacks. He was better off being honest and using his prowess to get those favorable bumps and grades he got.

12-25-2019, 11:04 PM	#700
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,098	Salt of the earth. I think you guys are overlooking the very real possibility that someone broke into his house, has been taking secret residence in his basement, and been trimming all of his cards in his sleep before they're sent out for grading. I own 3 Evan Mathis rc's (all of which show him smiling), and am a fairly good judge of character. I'm pretty certain he wouldn't do something this fraudulent.